Smile! You’ve Got Socialized Healthcare!

Cliffy

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Cliffy

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Guess you haven't looked at the fiscal debt, the deficit, and the unfunded liabilities totaling over $200trillion. You lefties are funny and daft.
I don't suppose all those wars the Republicans got the Yanks into had anything to do with that? Or how about all those cozy little off shore accounts that the rich hide their loot in so they don't have to pay taxes? How about the trillions given to the idiots who crashed the economy or corporate welfare? You are the bozo supporting that. Right wind nuts... you don't have a clue Wally.
 

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I don't suppose all those wars the Republicans got the Yanks into had anything to do with that? Or how about all those cozy little off shore accounts that the rich hide their loot in so they don't have to pay taxes? How about the trillions given to the idiots who crashed the economy or corporate welfare? You are the bozo supporting that. Right wind nuts... you don't have a clue Wally.
That meme about LBJ . Remember Vietnam .
Troops still in Afganistan and Iraq but dems have controlled the whitehouse these last 8 years ,
but lets blame republicans for all the worlds woes .
 

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New York's nonprofithospitals paid millions in bonuses to executives and doctors despite a high-stakes battle to reduce health care spending.

As patients struggled to afford rising medical bills, incentive packages for top hospital executives reached seven figures and approached payouts at Wall Street banks, The Journal News/lohud has found.

Perks at the nonprofit hospitals included first-class plane tickets, chauffeurs and country club memberships. Severance and retirement payments mirrored golden parachutes awarded to for-profit corporate executives.

While New York's nonprofit hospital payouts are comparable to other states, they received tax exemptions and attract more scrutiny than for-profit competitors elsewhere, according to Michael West, senior attorney for New York Council of Nonprofits.

"Nobody envisioned that there would be this much capital in the nonprofit world," West said. "And as state government gets squeezed and local municipalities get squeezed, there has definitely been a push to see if something can be done to get more money from nonprofits."

Investigation: Top hospital execs, docs get millions
 

Walter

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New York's nonprofithospitals paid millions in bonuses to executives and doctors despite a high-stakes battle to reduce health care spending.

As patients struggled to afford rising medical bills, incentive packages for top hospital executives reached seven figures and approached payouts at Wall Street banks, The Journal News/lohud has found.

Perks at the nonprofit hospitals included first-class plane tickets, chauffeurs and country club memberships. Severance and retirement payments mirrored golden parachutes awarded to for-profit corporate executives.

While New York's nonprofit hospital payouts are comparable to other states, they received tax exemptions and attract more scrutiny than for-profit competitors elsewhere, according to Michael West, senior attorney for New York Council of Nonprofits.

"Nobody envisioned that there would be this much capital in the nonprofit world," West said. "And as state government gets squeezed and local municipalities get squeezed, there has definitely been a push to see if something can be done to get more money from nonprofits."

Investigation: Top hospital execs, docs get millions
The beauty of social medicine.
 

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Yes, those hits do keep a coming!


Obamacare's success story


Statistics prove the ACA's success — and the foolishness of a repeal - Baltimore Sun




Why can't Donald Trump and the GOP admit Obamacare has worked for millions of Americans?


As Donald Trump gets around to reinventing himself for the general election, here's a section of his stump speech that merits a second look — his vow to repeal and replace Obamacare. That's not only because his own take on health care reform (at least what can be gleaned from the less-than-detailed outline he's offered to date) would cost the federal government hundreds of billions of dollars but also because it would deny health insurance coverage to millions of Americans.

The latest statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reveal that the Affordable Care Act continues to provide health coverage for the uninsured. As of the end of 2015, only about 9.1 percent of U.S. residents did not have coverage, according to the CDC survey. The findings show that at least 16.2 million fewer Americans lacked insurance coverage as of December 31 than two years earlier.

Whatever faults Obamacare may have — and it's been no panacea for the shortcomings of health care in this country — even its harshest critics must recognize those 16 million to 17 million people (depending on whose estimates one uses) who have received a literal lifeline from health care reform. Not only does a lack of insurance worsen and shorten lives, it puts millions of working families at risk of financial ruin — as anyone who has suffered a major illness while not having the benefit of insurance can attest.

Lest anyone forget, the Affordable Care Act made it possible for people with pre-existing conditions to buy insurance without penalty and for those earning 133 percent of the federal poverty level to qualify for Medicaid (at least in those states that welcomed the federally-subsidized Medicaid expansion). The result has been a steady shrinking of the number of uninsured each year since Obamacare went into effect, particularly in the states that operated their own exchanges and chose to expand Medicaid coverage for the working poor.

Where has the ACA fallen short? Clearly, it's not doing enough to cap insurance costs, even though insurance rates have risen less precipitously in recent years than they did before Obamacare took effect. The outlook for a major premium increase — for example, an anticipated 8 percent in California next year — and a drop of providers from the marketplace (most recently by UnitedHealthCare which provides insurance to about 1 million health exchange patrons) do not bode well. But they are reasons to shore up the ACA model, not to scrap it.

What Mr. Trump has offered to date would mean no more Obamacare-related taxes and no more Obamacare-related subsidies and no more insurance mandate. The rest is fairly marginal — such as health care savings accounts that do little for people who can't afford to put money in them or allowing insurers to more easily compete across state lines. Meanwhile, scrapping the mandate would inevitably increase costs as providers lose sales volume. The net effect is that millions will lose coverage and those who retain it are destined to pay considerably more.

Clearly, what ails the Trump health care plan is the same problem that ails the Republican majority in Congress — the call to "repeal and replace" Obamacare is really a call to repeal and then allow millions of Americans to suffer the consequences. It's simply not a serious strategy to address a complex and chronic problem. And one of the first groups to suffer will be children, as studies have shown one of the more striking effects of the ACA has been to get more low-income kids signed up for health insurance coverage under Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Plan or CHIP (with more than 90 percent of eligible children now enrolled).

Whether the country is ready to embrace an even greater expansion of health insurance access — such as Sen. Bernie Sanders has promoted through a single-payer model — is a conversation for another day. The greatest and most immediate health care threat facing the nation is the possibility of a chief executive and a GOP Congressional majority willing to turn their backs on all those millions of Obamacare beneficiaries — including all those average Americans who now take for granted their ability to buy health insurance despite a pre-existing condition or to keep dependents on a family policy until the age of 26, all made possible by the unfairly maligned health care law.
 

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Walter

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How come the waiting room wait is always longer if we are making such great strides in treating diseases of all kinds?
Because it's "free" and the gubmint always knows best, you can't do anything for yerself no more..
 

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As long as rodent is getting his stuff free who cares.

Well he is a retiree. He should get his free stuff. He did not ever have to buy Obamacare so it is A-OK for him.

Obamacare is unsustainable. It will collapse under it's own weight. It might take some time but the costs are skyrocketing and there is not enough money coming in. The government is not paying the medical bills to doctors so doctors are refusing Obamacare policies. When hospitals and doctors refuse to accept policies the exchanges are going bankrupt.

And they haven't even enacted the whole law.

And if there is a bail out of the health insurance industry... well DB may finally be right.
 

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Because it's "free" and the gubmint always knows best, you can't do anything for yerself no more..
How silly of me to forget that, . . again. Than you for putting me back on the right track 'comrade Volter'. nudge, nudge, wink, wink.