Why didn’t Trudeau want to link the Fort Mac fire to climate change?

JLM

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Why don't you look up the stats for Ft Mac in terms of rainfall, or snow, as that is more likely from Sept to May.

Save you the guessing on what is 'normal'


Why don't you acquaint yourself with the same facts I did? And quit being an idiot?


Climate[edit]

With severe winters except during periods of warming chinook winds, mild to warm summers and only three months whose average temperature is higher than 10 °C (50 °F), Fort McMurray has a borderline subarctic climate (Köppen climate classification Dfc), very slightly below to be considered a humid continental climate as May averages 9.9 °C (49.8 °F); and falls into the NRC Plant Hardiness Zone 3a.[28]
The community lies at a lower elevation than most other parts of Alberta, so under the right conditions it can be a “hot spot” for Alberta,[citation needed] or even all of Canada (as in April 1980 when its daily mean temperature of 10 °C (50 °F) was unsurpassed by any other Canadian station).[29][not in citation given]
Temperatures range from an average of −17.4 °C (0.7 °F) in January, to 17.1 °C (62.8 °F) in July. The average annual precipitation is 418.6 millimetres (16.48 in) and falls mainly in the summer months. Average annual snowfall is 133.8 centimetres (52.7 in),[30] most of which falls between October and April.
The highest temperature ever recorded in Fort McMurray was 38.9 °C (102 °F) on July 18, 1941.[31] The lowest temperature ever recorded was −53.3 °C (−64 °F) on February 1, 1917,[32] and December 31, 1933.[33]
 

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Probably although that might be a little severe. Fort McMurray had virtually no precipitation from Sept. to May. Is this a result of Climate change? Regardless of how the fire was caused, I'm guessing that in a year of normal rainfall, the fire may not have been so severe.
It was also an el nino year. Of course we also need to understand when Libs and Dippers say "climate change" what they're really saying is "AGW".
 

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Dumber than a bag of hammers, are ya?

Fort McMurray actually had above average precipitation for start of 2016 | Globalnews.ca

That said, you might want to do just a wee bit of research before you call out someone else and look even more the fool


You may want to do more research there Dummy. Your source is highly suspect. The official figure for Fort Mac from Jan. 1 to Apr. 30 is 41.3 millimeters and that was verified on the news the other day that the rainfall figures from Sept. 3 to May 25 was an ALL TIME record low. "Better to remain silent and appear a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" :) :)

I think "dummer than a bag of hammers" may have been your retort when we were discussing Omar! :) :) :) :)
 

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You may want to do more research there Dummy. Your source is highly suspect. The official figure for Fort Mac from Jan. 1 to Apr. 30 is 41.3 millimeters and that was verified on the news the other day that the rainfall figures from Sept. 3 to May 25 was an ALL TIME record low. "Better to remain silent and appear a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" :) :)

I think "dummer than a bag of hammers" may have been your retort when we were discussing Omar! :) :) :) :)

There you go again making an a$$ of yourself.

... From the article:

"According to Brian Proctor with Environment Canada, from January to April 2016, Fort McMurray recorded 72 millimetres of precipitation based on water equivalent measurements. The 30-year average for those same months is 69 millimetres of precipitation."
 

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There you go again making an a$$ of yourself.

... From the article:

"According to Brian Proctor with Environment Canada, from January to April 2016, Fort McMurray recorded 72 millimetres of precipitation based on water equivalent measurements. The 30-year average for those same months is 69 millimetres of precipitation."


Perhaps the source of your error lies in - "According to Brian Proctor "

http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?StationID=49490

I can understand how the new math has you baffled, Cap't. but when I went to school 41.3 was considerably lower than 72.
 

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You are still missing the aspect of fire prevention didn't include thinning of the trees or eliminating debris on the forest floor as being a cause of why the fire grew so fast in the first place.
 

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There you go again making an a$$ of yourself.

... From the article:

"According to Brian Proctor with Environment Canada, from January to April 2016, Fort McMurray recorded 72 millimetres of precipitation based on water equivalent measurements. The 30-year average for those same months is 69 millimetres of precipitation."

Perhaps the source of your error lies in - "According to Brian Proctor "

Daily Data Report for May 2016 - Climate - Environment Canada

I can understand how the new math has you baffled, Cap't. but when I went to school 41.3 was considerably lower than 72.
Why are you comparing apples to Oranges
The Captain is talking about January to April, and you are arguing a single month....
Clean your bifocals............
 

JLM

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Why are you comparing apples to Oranges
The Captain is talking about January to April, and you are arguing a single month....
Clean your bifocals............


WRONG, dead wrong! - the 41.3 mm. I quoted was for Jan. - April incl. - 17.5, 10.2, 5.4 and 8.2!
 

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Perhaps the source of your error lies in - "According to Brian Proctor "

I notice that you left out the part where Proctor is with Environment Canada.

God sakes man... When you find you are digging the hole you are in deeper and deeper, the best thing to do is put down the shovel.

You are coming across as a complete idiot

Why are you comparing apples to Oranges
The Captain is talking about January to April, and you are arguing a single month....
Clean your bifocals............

Grasping at straws at best... It's not the first time he's stubbornly fought a losing battle
 

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WRONG, dead wrong! - the 41.3 mm. I quoted was for Jan. - April incl. - 17.5, 10.2, 5.4 and 8.2!
I stand corrected....






And you're allowed to gloat :wink:
 

JLM

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And your link is to May 2016...
Give us a link...that means something


The link was to any month/year you desired.. all you have to do was click "previous".

2cm a month isn't a lot of moisture.


No.............less than 10" a year!

I notice that you left out the part where Proctor is with Environment Canada.

God sakes man... When you find you are digging the hole you are in deeper and deeper, the best thing to do is put down the shovel.

You are coming across as a complete idiot


Were the figures I quoted from the official site incorrect? :)


You might want to take a second gander at who the complete idiot is! :) :) :)

Why don't you look up the stats for Ft Mac in terms of rainfall, or snow, as that is more likely from Sept to May.

Save you the guessing on what is 'normal'


I looked up the official figures for Fort McMurray which differed from the figures you looked up. Obviously either one of them is wrong or they were figures from two separate weather stations. Perhaps the figures I quoted were wrong or perhaps the figures you reported were wrong. If my figures were wrong then so be it, but I wasn't guessing as you accused me of. I apologize for calling you an idiot but I was just reciprocating for being called "an idiot" or "dumber than a sack of hammers" in every f**king thread we've participated in. When I'm wrong I have no problem admitting it and that's the main difference between you and me! :) :)

I stand corrected....






And you're allowed to gloat :wink:
Although the figures are probably fairly accurate, I'm not sure they are iron clad enough for gloating. Figures are missing for the odd day here and there like one day early in May due to the fact no one was likely available to record them. It's an in exact science.