Bombing Hiroshima changed the world, but it didn't end WWII

[Murphy]

George Carlin was credited with suggesting that the US govt declares war on everything. Much like what you have written. I used to suggest to my students that the US and other countries have war driven economies.

This is not new in history, nor is it despicable. It is what 'civilized' humans have always done.

 

[darkbeaver]

George Carlin was credited with suggesting that the US govt declares war on everything. Much like what you have written. I used to suggest to my students that the US and other countries have war driven economies.

This is not new in history, nor is it despicable. It is what 'civilized' humans have always done.

Civilization is a concept

It has no mass in the physical world

Some a civilization may be discovered, in a jungle maybe

 

[Murphy]

Actually, it's a word to describe a state of mind to which humanity will evolve. Intellectuals often refer to civilization as a society matured. Apparently we haven't got there yet.

 

[darkbeaver]

Actually, it's a word to describe a state of mind to which humanity will evolve. Intellectuals often refer to civilization as a society matured. Apparently we haven't got there yet.

Evolve is mass and spark, there's no rule or law about homosapians evolutionary rights, it's a big universe, we are the meaty bits what the eat the other meaty bits,

certainly I have evolved, I've gone forword, you can't go backward here, don't buy the cirtificates, yer goin forword dead or alive,

 

[Murphy]

I don't wish to be rude, but civilizations evolve intellectually. That is the difference between a society and a civilization.

Survival of the fittest is an evolution of any species, including humans, that allows them to adapt and survive in their environment. This has nothing to do with Hirohito however. It is a good discussion for a biology or soc class, but doesn't apply here.

 

[EagleSmack]

I will read that. Does it have official transcripts of the meetings?

No. The better part of the book is the attempted coup at the Imperial Palace by the Japanese military upon hearing that the Emperor was surrendering. However a good portion of the book details the meetings prior to the Emperor making his decision.

 

[Murphy]

I see. A few years ago I was watching the History Channel and one secretary to a minister and a former minister or diplomat was talking about being in the room with the Emporer, discussing whether or not to surrender. No one looked at the Emporer apparently - at least, that they would admit.

I would have liked to stare into Hirohito's face and see if I could read any of what he was thinking.

 

[EagleSmack]

I see. A few years ago I was watching the History Channel and one secretary to a minister and a former minister or diplomat was talking about being in the room with the Emporer, discussing whether or not to surrender. No one looked at the Emporer apparently - at least, that they would admit.

I would have liked to stare into Hirohito's face and see if I could read an of what he was thinking.

The book does gives you a look at what the Emperor was like. How he was questioning the Generals and Admirals on the real progress of the war. How he was alluding to the facts that the war is certainly not going their way contrary to what they were trying to tell him.

 

[Murphy]

A polite exchange. Telling someone that he's full of sh!t without upsetting anyone's sensibilities.

 

[darkbeaver]

Diplomacy.

 

[EagleSmack]

A polite exchange. Telling someone that he's full of sh!t without upsetting anyone's sensibilities.

Exactly.

 

[personal touch]

Hello yesterday!

 

[Murphy]

You obviously are not appreciative of history. Return to your seat.

 

[darkbeaver]

You obviously are not appreciative of history. Return to your seat.

History! haahahahahaahahahahahahha

 

[Murphy]

The book does gives you a look at what the Emperor was like. How he was questioning the Generals and Admirals on the real progress of the war. How he was alluding to the facts that the war is certainly not going their way contrary to what they were trying to tell him.

I just ordered the book from Amazon. It should be here in a week. Thanks.

 

[Frankiedoodle]

I have always held the opinion was that the use of the atomic bombs, were to see what damage would be inflicted on it's targets. The Japanese were a defeated nation. In some recent readings I have found interesting the opinion that the Americans possibly committed war crimes by the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There was definitely no strategic advantage to bombing Nagasaki