“Origin of the Universe Riddle Solved- and,er, It Wasn’t God”

MHz

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Really??? Somebody check his kool-aid.
" “Something did not come from nothing. The universe still is nothing, it’s just more elegantly ordered nothing.”:

You can have a 'small bang' if a small amount of matter was at the site of the 'implosion' meets 'explosion' as the expanding shock-wave would involve all other matter in this universe given a bit of time.
 

darkbeaver

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God is the universe and every thing and thought in it. Earth is probably not the only planet with cats. All the cat minded stuff is free to expand and seed the universe with cats of numberless design, the cats god and ours is the same god.

When the cat kills the cat purrs for his God, in appreciation of his Gods benevolence. If Ludlow catches a big fish he no doubt does the same thing.


The center of the universe is not a physical reality, is organization physical?
 

MHz

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. . . . fellow travelers because they used the word that way, which evokes many tedious explanations from people like me.

Would the book of Enoch include any visions that support it being a 'scientific possibility' that it exists someplace in the universe?
The other possibility is it was about the place where the Great White Throne is located and that is a place that even angels haven't been to yet.
The Bible has an ending for this earth that fits the fiery end in store for us. How many ancient stories call for that ending??
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Ludlow

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Really??? Somebody check his kool-aid.
" “Something did not come from nothing. The universe still is nothing, it’s just more elegantly ordered nothing.”:

You can have a 'small bang' if a small amount of matter was at the site of the 'implosion' meets 'explosion' as the expanding shock-wave would involve all other matter in this universe given a bit of time.
yes of course that made much sense
 

darkbeaver

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the time is coagulated with the rest of the stuff at the time of the BB and only falls out of the blast cone as it's enertia falls off, the time being so puffy never falls out into the material world, it remains an idea without material realization, chap; 7
 

Nick Danger

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Yes, but used that way it's stripped of all theological content. Some people think it isn't and it leads deists to claim people like Einstein and Hawking as fellow travelers because they used the word that way, which evokes many tedious explanations from people like me.


There is a growing movement in some Christian religions away from the traditional concept of God as the benevolent dictator, and ideas like intelligent design. A more metaphorical approach to God and the Bible lets followers reconcile the messages found there with the knowledge that modern science gives us. In that aspect, "God" just becomes another word for what is still unknown by scientific definition.
 

talloola

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No they don't have to prove anything to still use the descriptor "scientist".

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that is who they are, scientists, they study the science of the universe, or whatever science they are
specializing in, so what.
and yes they do, they are not satisfied with a unfinished theory, but sure they don't always prove what
they are studying, they can come to a dead end, then it sits there until they either find what they
need, or never do.

they don't just believe something is so, if they don't prove it.

this subject is ongoing, has been for a very long time, and will be for a very long time, but bits
and pieces will be added to the puzzle, and common sense tells us where this is going, I'm not a
believer, I need the facts, and they are coming bit by bit, I get it.
 

bluebyrd35

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Theory:

synonyms:hypothesis, thesis, conjecture, supposition, speculation, postulation, postulate, proposition, premise, surmise, assumption, presupposition; opinion, view, belief, contention

What Professor Mir has is just another theory!


And you just described yourself to a "T"
Gravity is a theory as well. Has an apple ever fallen upwards, or have we ever needed weighted shoes to remain attached to the earth?? God is a theory with less going for it than gravity.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I understand the word theory in several senses, like this:

1. Weak sense: a belief or speculation, as in that list of synonyms

2. Strong sense: a coherent body of observations. ideas, information, and analyses that describe and explain a range of phenomena.

In the strong sense there are also two kinds, scientific and non scientific.

Scientific ones are empirical, falsifiable, predictive, and testable, like gravity and evolution.

Non scientific ones can be empirical too, but they won't be falsifiable, predictive, or testable. I think psychoanalysis goes here.

And finally there are non scientific, non empirical theories, which won't be falsifiable, predictive, or testable either. I think religious dogma goes here.
 

bluebyrd35

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I understand the word theory in several senses, like this:

1. Weak sense: a belief or speculation, as in that list of synonyms

2. Strong sense: a coherent body of observations. ideas, information, and analyses that describe and explain a range of phenomena.

In the strong sense there are also two kinds, scientific and non scientific.

Scientific ones are empirical, falsifiable, predictive, and testable, like gravity and evolution.

Non scientific ones can be empirical too, but they won't be falsifiable, predictive, or testable. I think psychoanalysis goes here.

And finally there are non scientific, non empirical theories, which won't be falsifiable, predictive, or testable either. I think religious dogma goes here.
Your understanding of scientific theory is wrong.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.
Scientific theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theoryWikipedia
 

eh1eh

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God is also a theory. Unfortunately there is more evidence and proof towards any other theory except God.


Exactly and the proof we have in inconclusive at best. Sadly, religious people think their books have the definitive answer and any doubt or lack of proof is disconcerting to them.
Imagine if the universe was created not by an omnipotent being but just some scientists in a lab in another dimension.
Sad day for the subjects of "god" if so.
 

Ludlow

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Exactly and the proof we have in inconclusive at best. Sadly, religious people think their books have the definitive answer and any doubt or lack of proof is disconcerting to them.
Imagine if the universe was created not by an omnipotent being but just some scientists in a lab in another dimension.
Sad day for the subjects of "god" if so.
The religious books spend little if any time trying to "prove" anything.