Liberals are considering a guaranteed income for all Canadians

[MHz]

. . . or a dick like you.
Sorry bear, you feeling left out? Yes you are a dick also, a scared little one hiding most of the day. Good choice on your part as you only look really stupid once you try and post an actual comeback.

 

[EagleSmack]

. . . or a dick like you.

Oh look... the mental case has brought his butthurt from one thread to another!

 

[MHz]

I have yet to see any improvement in your (lack of ) intelligence no matter what thread you are on. Only change is the number of lies you post, not an unusual move for a fuktard such as yourself.
Why you so interested in a basic income for Canadians? It isn't like your Nation would ever do it for you no matter if the unemployment goes higher than the 17% that it is at now.

I have to admit you are more intelligent looking the less you say bear. Mouse would be more like it.

 

[CDNBear]

I have yet to see any improvement in your (lack of ) intelligence no matter what thread you are on. Only change is the number of lies you post, not an unusual move for a fuktard such as yourself.
Why you so interested in a basic income for Canadians? It isn't like your Nation would ever do it for you no matter if the unemployment goes higher than the 17% that it is at now.

You're an idiot.

 

[MHz]

Way to prove you are smarter when you don't post actual words.

 

[Toro]

Every Canadian family will get a snowboard.

 

[darkbeaver]

Pffffffb. If they compile so much data about you through banking, why the f-ck does an ATM ask which language you use?

To avoid offending someone.

debit machines fail ....not cash

Every natiion in the west has well developed plans to suspend commerce in cash. Paper bills can be made worthless very fast. Gold silver booze food ammunishun firewood oil, screw your paper Mr.

 

[MHz]

Every Canadian family will get a snowboard.

You spelled snow-shovel wrong.

 

[Mowich]

Change #5 and you'd be back to the Welfare system of giving according to need rather than giving equally to all. So what would be the advantage of guaranteed income?

The number of kids determines the amount of Welfare paid. That rule should apply to seniors on pensions too then. Some pensioners need specialized treatments that are not covered by Health care so why shouldn't those seniors get a higher pension?
That's where these 'equalization' plans run into trouble. The usually cause more problems than they solve.

Would guaranteed income be paid to every citizen, even the well-off, like the 'baby bonuses' were? If not then we'd be back to the old days when seniors had to pass a means test to qualify for old age security. There's be a lot of screaming over that!

Would guaranteed income be paid by the household or by the individual? A married couple each receiving guaranteed income would provide a higher standard of living than that of a widow living alone. Not fair! If the widow receives the same as the married couple that's not fair either.

What happens to the person/family that spends all their guaranteed income on beer, bingo and lottery tickets and ends up broke before the next payment is due? You know that would happen in some cases! Does the person/family then demand and get more to tide them over?

Government would be faced with those and many more questions and the whole issue would end up an unfathomable dog's breakfast like most government endeavors and would create more bureaucracy besides.

Good questions, DM.

Switzerland will be holding a referendum on this idea sometime during the coming summer. There are also some Danish cities that are talking about implementing a similar plan. It will be interesting to see what develops in these countries.

 

[JLM]

I'm not being ridiculous. These things ARE indeed basic necessities. Why should other people have them just because they can afford them?

Because perhaps they had the gumption to go and work for them. A word not everyone is familiar with these days!

 

[mentalfloss]

debit machines fail ....not cash

Networks.

 

[damngrumpy]

In Greece it is not entitlement its the fact that everyone cheats the taxman

 

[Bar Sinister]

Sounds like the Liberal voter base.

Actually sounds like the large foreign multinationals in Canada that have lived off tax breaks for decades. Are they Liberals? I'm guessing they are not.

 

[CDNBear]

Networks.

Networks fail.

Actually sounds like the large foreign multinationals in Canada that have lived off tax breaks for decades. Are they Liberals? I'm guessing they are not.

Most of your opinions appear to be based on guesses.

 

[SLM]

Good questions, DM.

Switzerland will be holding a referendum on this idea sometime during the coming summer. There are also some Danish cities that are talking about implementing a similar plan. It will be interesting to see what develops in these countries.

Dauphin's great experiment - Winnipeg Free Press

 

[JamesBondo]

To be clear, income is not the actual humanitarian right in question here, it is merely a potential means or solution to ensure a sufficient level of food/shelter/dignity for each Canadian.

Looks like JT is no different than any other politician, he wants to throw money at the problem and pat himself on the back.

Alas, winning the debate on minimum income doesn't solve the problem for many of societies most vulnerable.

 

[SLM]

The notion of a minimum guaranteed income is, in my opinion, a brilliant one. Implementation though is a very complicated and difficult process because all the current social safety net threads would need to be unraveled so this plan could replace them. (I believe Ski was mentioning this earlier). I think the idea has a lot of merit, but it would require a huge re-think in everything from welfare to all community subsidies to unemployment to old age benefits and so on.

I've started threads on this topic in the past and, on the rare occasion when the few members of the forum who can see beyond the bias of their favourite political parties nose have gathered, I've seen some impressive discussions (pro and con) on the topic.

 

[CDNBear]

The notion of a minimum guaranteed income is, in my opinion, a brilliant one. Implementation though is a very complicated and difficult process because all the current social safety net threads would need to be unraveled so this plan could replace them. (I believe Ski was mentioning this earlier). I think the idea has a lot of merit, but it would require a huge re-think in everything from welfare to all community subsidies to unemployment to old age benefits and so on.

I think the idea is not without merit, but I'd rather see utilities (Water, hydro, gas) made nonprofit public entities, and made available for residential use at no cost. Having all costs covered by commercial use. Then go from there.

 

[JamesBondo]

The notion of a minimum guaranteed income is, in my opinion, a brilliant one. Implementation though is a very complicated and difficult process because all the current social safety net threads would need to be unraveled so this plan could replace them. (I believe Ski was mentioning this earlier). I think the idea has a lot of merit, but it would require a huge re-think in everything from welfare to all community subsidies to unemployment to old age benefits and so on.

I've started threads on this topic in the past and, on the rare occasion when the few members of the forum who can see beyond the bias of their favourite political parties nose have gathered, I've seen some impressive discussions (pro and con) on the topic.

With all due respect, I believe you are confusing the issues of rights and remedies. championing a right is much better than championing a remedy, imo.

 

[petros]

I think the idea is not without merit, but I'd rather see utilities (Water, hydro, gas) made nonprofit public entities, and made available for residential use at no cost. Having all costs covered by commercial use. Then go from there.

That opens the door to waste.