Canada not invited to anti-ISIS coalition meeting in Paris

[Locutus]

Claudia Lemire ‏@claudlemire

Claudia Lemire Retweeted National Post
Under @JustinTrudeau and Prime Minister Regent Gerald Butts Canada has fallen behind in disgrace. #cdnpoli

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.@IvisonJ: NATO allies miffed over Canada’s failure to meet defence spending commitment http://natpo.st/1SAkrAu



stay shiny canada.

 

[gerryh]

Claudia Lemire ‏@claudlemire

Claudia Lemire Retweeted National Post
Under @JustinTrudeau and Prime Minister Regent Gerald Butts Canada has fallen behind in disgrace. #cdnpoli

National Post Verified account ‏@nationalpost

.@IvisonJ: NATO allies miffed over Canada’s failure to meet defence spending commitment http://natpo.st/1SAkrAu



stay shiny canada.

ahhhhhhh... poor baby's. We all can't be war mongers.

Oh, and considering Trudeau has only been PM for a couple of months..... Ya's should be pointing your finger at the former conservative government. That, however, is not how the whiners roll. It's all about the libs and the muslims.

 

[personal touch]

Canada not invited to an Anti-ISIS parade?

i with you,this is one invitation i would be happy to not receive,i am happy Canada was not invited.Dance!

 

[WLDB]

Fine by me. Intervention by western powers in the region has been a big game of whack a mole. Kill or wipe out one group and another similar one pops up right away not too far away. I dont see the point in playing that game for what may be decades on end. Lets say we (or these countries meeting without us) totally wipe out Isis. Then what? No one seems to have a plan on what comes after that and how to prevent another similar or worse group from popping up shortly thereafter. Until that is figured out the fight would be a waste of money, resources and lives on our part.

 

[EagleSmack]

When one of our NATO allies were attacked (911), Canada stepped up to the plate, and was promptly thanked by having our boys killed by aforementioned ally.

On purpose right Gerry?

Why even bother mentioning Canada's FF incidents. It's the Yank ones that count.

 

[MHz]

On purpose right Gerry?

Why even bother mentioning Canada's FF incidents. It's the Yank ones that count.

Is that why they are covered up.

A small part of FF incidents.

War in Afghanistan from 2001

• In the Tarnak Farm incident of 18 April 2002, four Canadian soldiers were killed and eight others injured when U.S. Air National Guard Major Harry Schmidt, dropped a laser-guided 500 lb (230 kg) bomb from his F-16 jet fighter on the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry regiment which was conducting a night firing exercise near Kandahar. Schmidt was charged with negligent manslaughter, aggravated assault, and dereliction of duty. He was found guilty of the latter charge. During testimony Schmidt blamed the incident on his use of "go pills" (authorized mild stimulants), combined with the 'fog of war'.[114] The Canadian dead received US medals for "bravery", but no apology.
• Pat Tillman, a former professional American football player, was shot and killed by American fire in 22 April 2004. An Army Special Operations Command investigation was conducted by Brigadier General Jones and the U.S. Department of Defense concluded that Pat Tillman's death was due to friendly fire aggravated by the intensity of the firefight. A more thorough investigation concluded that no hostile forces were involved in the firefight and that two allied groups fired on each other in confusion after a nearby explosive device was detonated.
• On 6 April 2006, a British convoy in Afghanistan wounded 13 Afghan police officers and killed seven, after calling in a US airstrike on what they thought was a Taliban attack.[115]
• In Sangin Province, a female RAF Harrier pilot mistakenly strafed British troops missing the enemy by 200 metres during a firefight with the Taliban on 20 August 2006. This angered British Major James Loden of 3 PARA, who in a leaked email called the RAF, "Completely incompetent and utterly, utterly useless in protecting ground troops in Afghanistan". British paratroopers said they rather preferred the United States Air Force over the RAF.[116][117]
• Canadian soldiers opened fire on a white pickup truck, about 25 kilometres west of Kandahar, killing an Afghan officer with 6 others injured on 26 August 2006.[118]
• Operation Medusa (2006): 1 – Two U.S. A-10 Thunderbolts accidentally strafed NATO forces in southern Afghanistan, killing Canadian Private Mark Anthony Graham.
• On 5 December 2006, an F/A-18C on a Close Air Support mission in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, mistakenly attacked a trench where British Royal Marines were dug-in during a 10-hour battle with Taliban fighters, killing one Royal Marine.[119]
• Lance Corporal Matthew Ford, from Zulu Company of 45 Commando Royal Marines, died after receiving a gunshot wound in Afghanistan on 15 January 2007, which was later found to be due to friendly fire. The final inquest ruled he died from NATO rounds from a fellow Royal Marine's machine gun. The report added there was no "negligence" by the other Marine, who had made a "momentary error of judgment".[120][121]
• Canadian troops mistakenly killed an Afghan National Police officer and a homeless beggar after their convoy was ambushed in Kandahar City.[122]
• Of two helicopters called in to support operations by the British Grenadier Guards and Afghan National Army forces in Helmand, the British Westland WAH-64 Apache engaged enemy forces, while the accompanying American AH-64D Apache opened fire on the Grenadiers and Afghan troops.[123]
• 23 August 2007: A USAF F-15 called in to support British ground forces in Afghanistan dropped a bomb on those forces. Three privates of the 1st Battalion, the Royal Anglian Regiment, were killed and two others were severely injured. It was later revealed that the British forward air controller who called in the strike had not been issued a noise-cancelling headset, and while he supplied the correct target co-ordinates, in the confusion and stress of the battle incorrectly confirmed one wrong digit mistakenly repeated by the pilot, and the bomb landed on the British position 1000 metres away from the enemy.[124] The coroner at the soldiers' inquest stated that the incident was due to "flawed application of procedures" rather than individual errors or "recklessness".[125]
• British soldiers in operations in Helmand Province, Afghanistan, fired Javelin anti-tank missiles at Danish soldiers from the Royal Life Guards, killing two.[126] It is also confirmed from Danish forces that the British fired a total of 6–8 Javelin missiles, over a 1½ hour period and only after the attack was completed did they realize that the missiles were British, based upon the fragments found after the incident.[127]
• On 12 January 2008, two Dutch soldiers and two allied Afghan soldiers were shot dead by fellow Dutch soldiers in Uruzgan, Afghanistan.[128]
• In the night on 14 January 2008 in Helmand Province, British troops saw a bunch of Afghans "conducting suspicious activities". Visibility was too bad for rifle-fire and they were too far away to call in mortar strikes. The squad decided to use a Javelin anti-tank missile they were carrying. British soldiers fired their missile on the nearby roof but the victims were their own Afghan army sentries. 15 Afghan soldiers were killed.[129]
• On 9 July 2008, nine British soldiers from the 2nd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment were injured after being fired upon by a British Army Apache helicopter while on patrol in Afghanistan.[130]
• A statement issued jointly by the American and the Afghan military commands said a contingent of Afghan police officers fired on United States forces on 10 December 2008 after the Americans had successfully overrun the hide-out, killing the suspected Taliban commander and detaining another man. The US forces after securing the hideout came under heavy small arms fire and explosive grenades from the Afghan Police forces. "Multiple attempts to deter the engagement were unsuccessful," and the US forces returned fire. Afghan police have stated that they came under fire first and that the initial firing on the US forces came from the building next to the police station. This has led the US forces to conclude that the Afghan police forces might have been compromised. Initial reports indicate that this was a tragic case of mistaken identity on both parts.[131]
• Captain Tom Sawyer, aged 26, 29 Commando Regiment Royal Artillery, and Corporal Danny Winter, aged 28, Zulu Company 45 Commando Royal Marines, were killed by an explosion on 14 January 2009. Both men were taking part in a joint operation with a Danish Battle Group and the Afghan National Army in a location north east of Gereshk in central Helmand Province. The MoD subsequently confirmed that two men died from friendly fire when they were hit in error by a Javelin anti-tank missile fired by British troops.[132]
• On 9 September 2009, British Special Boat Service forces were sent to rescue New York Times journalist Stephen Farrell and his Afghan translator Sultan Munadi who were kidnapped by Taliban forces in northern Afghanistan near Kunduz four days earlier. During the raid, Farrell was rescued, but Munadi was shot and killed in the firefight between the Taliban and British forces. It is later found out that Munadi was running towards the helicopter when he was shot in the front by a British soldier, in addition to being shot in the back by the Taliban, after the British mistook him for the Taliban. Two Afghan civilians also died from the hail of bullets by British and Taliban forces.
• A British Military Police officer was shot dead by a fellow British soldier while on patrol.[133] It was reported that no charges are to be brought against a British army sniper who killed a British Military Policeman because he was allowed to open fire if he believed that his life was in danger.[134]
• In December 2009, British commanders called upon a U.S. airstrike which killed Lance Corporal Christopher Roney from 3rd Battalion The Rifles who was engaging along with his comrades with the Taliban. The incident happened when a firefight was going on between British soldiers of 3rd Battalion The Rifles and the insurgents in Sangin Province. Senior British officers were watching a drone's grainy images of the fight from Camp Bastion, about 30 miles from the battle at Patrol Base Almas. The officers mistook the soldiers' mud-walled compound for an enemy position and called down a U.S. Apache airstrike on the base. Roney was fatally shot in the head after a helicopter gunship opened fire on the base. He died later the next day after being taken to Camp Bastion. Eleven other British soldiers were wounded in the attack. The coroner criticised the British commanders for the fact Patrol Base Almas was not marked on military maps, for the 'unprofessional' use of grainy images and for insisting there were no friendly forces in the area to the Apache crew.[135]
• German soldiers killed six Afghan soldiers in a friendly fire incident on their way to attack a group of Taliban. Afghan soldiers were traveling in support of other Afghan troops in the area. The German Patrol opened fire killing six.[136]
• Sapper Mark Antony Smith, age 26, of the 36 Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers, was killed by a smoke shell fired upon by British troops in Sangin Province, Afghanistan. The MoD is investigating his death and said a smoke shell, designed to provide cover for soldiers working on the ground, may have fallen short of its intended target.[137][138]
• Friendly fire between ISAF and Pakistan on 26 November 2011. ISAF forces opened fire on Pakistani forces killing 24 Pakistani soldiers and causing a great diplomatic standoff between U.S. and Pakistan. ISAF forces argue they were there to hunt down militants at the AF-PAK border. Pakistan had stopped transit of goods through its territory to ISAF in Afghanistan because of the incident. After an official apology by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on 3 July 2012 the NATO supply routes were restored.
• Two New Zealand soldiers were wounded by friendly fire from a 25mm gun mounted on an armored New Zealand LAV during a 12-minute firefight with insurgents in Bamyan Province on 4 August 2012.[139][140]
• A British female soldier and a Royal Marine man were mistakenly killed by another British unit on patrol after her unit opened fire on an Afghan policeman assuming he was a Taliban insurgent. The British unit who killed a female soldier and a Royal Marine assumed they were under attack after the firing happened.[141]
• Five United States Special forces operatives, an Afghan Army counterpart, and an interpreter were killed by friendly fire in Southern Zabul Province on June 9, 2014. Whilst on patrol, and coming under heavy Taliban fire, an air-strike was called in and a B-1 Lancer bomber misdirected its payload killing the seven military pesonnel amongst others.[142][143]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents#War_in_Afghanistan_from_2001

 

[gerryh]

On purpose right Gerry?

Why even bother mentioning Canada's FF incidents. It's the Yank ones that count.

Yes, on purpose. He didn't "accidently" hit the button. He purposely dropped the bomb against direct orders not to. What did he get for it? A fine and a reprimand. That's it. And then, the useless piece of shyte tries suing the ASAF for making his reprimand public. This useless waste of skin got off scott free as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Murphy]

Wow, some of you really are haters!

I was asked to clear the air about this "Canada didn't get invited to the meeting" thing that most of you are going on about. Actually, we DID get invited, but Justin, he like, he told them he was busy. He doesn't like to send people to meetings that are not experts about Isis like he is. Justin studied her in school. He told whoever phoned that we weren't going, and to stop picking on the Egyptians.

And just so you know, Justin says that Isis is a goddess. She was born a long time ago. Justin took that in a history class in high school or university or wherever. He said that he really got interested in her because she married her brother, who became her husband. His name was Osiris. I thought he was like, from BC or something, but apparently he was born a long time ago somewhere in Europe. So Isis, she's like a Doukhobor or a Hutterite or whatever. Those are minorities, and we don't pick on them!

Isis was, like, a magical lady. That means she must have had connections with Denman and Hornby Islands, and was into herbals. That's what confused me and was why I thought she was from BC. Justin set me straight though.

So just stop confusing her with people that are fighting in Eastern Europe or Antarctica or wherever. It just makes you look stupid.

 

[davesmom]

Yeah, those FF incidents are the worst! Maybe if the allies were beheading each other and throwing each other off tall buildings or burning each other alive Like ISIS does you would all ignore it.
Accidents are not justifiable but deliberate murder is?

 

[Bar Sinister]

As a member of NATO Canada has an obligation to assist its allies.
Not only is Canada not committing to aid and withdrawing what aid we now offer, they are also inviting thousand of refugees into the country, completely unmindful of the problems that the refugees are causing in other countries. Those two actions send a clear message to our allies that Canada doesn't care what they are doing, Canada is going to do the opposite.

If there were ever a terrorist attack on a grand scale in Canada (I should say, 'when' not 'if'!) it wouldn't be hard to understand our allies doing nothing. We don't support them, why would they support us?

Trudeau is demonstrating a pig-headedness that shows his real character; My way or no way! Not smart when we're part of a global society!

True enough about NATO, but only if there is a clear act of foreign aggression. Terrorist attacks do not count (not even (911) as they are not acts of a foreign power. In addition Canada has to be be invited by the nation attacked to come to its aid as a NATO ally. That did not happen in the case of the World Trade Center or any of the other terrorist attacks.

Also Canada's refugee policy is just that - Canada's. If Canada chooses to accept refugees then that is Canada's business. And there is no real parallel between the uncontrolled flow of refugees into Europe and Canada's orderly selection of refugees. Europe is facing a flood of hundreds of thousands of refugees - Canada is selecting just a few thousand a month.

 

[davesmom]

True enough about NATO, but only if there is a clear act of foreign aggression. Terrorist attacks do not count (not even (911) as they are not acts of a foreign power. In addition Canada has to be be invited by the nation attacked to come to its aid as a NATO ally. That did not happen in the case of the World Trade Center or any of the other terrorist attacks.

Also Canada's refugee policy is just that - Canada's. If Canada chooses to accept refugees then that is Canada's business. And there is no real parallel between the uncontrolled flow of refugees into Europe and Canada's orderly selection of refugees. Europe is facing a flood of hundreds of thousands of refugees - Canada is selecting just a few thousand a month.

Terrorist acts do count regardless of who the attacker is. Innocent dead people are just as much victims whether the aggressor is a foreign power or not.

I believe Iraq 'invited' NATO countries to assist in fighting ISIS. Canada is a NATO country. Period!

Yes, Canada's refugee policy is Canada's alone. But with Trudeau mouthing off about making Canada a world leader one would think he would have to capitulate to the other 'world leaders'. He won't become King of The Hill by pissing other powerful countries off.

Just a few refugees a month adds up to hordes of refugees after a few months. Canada will end up with enough refugees to ensure that a portion of them will turn out to be infiltrators. Then the fun will begin! The countries that have run into massive problems can see the future through their experience. Trudeau cannot.

 

[EagleSmack]

Yes, on purpose. He didn't "accidently" hit the button. He purposely dropped the bomb against direct orders not to. What did he get for it? A fine and a reprimand. That's it. And then, the useless piece of shyte tries suing the ASAF for making his reprimand public. This useless waste of skin got off scott free as far as I'm concerned.

So he intended to kill Canadian soldiers.


So I guess all the Canadian FF incidents were on purpose then... well according to you anyhow.

 

[gerryh]

So he intended to kill Canadian soldiers.


So I guess all the Canadian FF incidents were on purpose then... well according to you anyhow.

You haven't read the report, have you. He was let off with a slap on the wrist when you take into account that neither he, nor his flight lead did ANYTHING right. They broke damn near EVERY rule of engagement for that flight AND he disobeyed direct orders not to engage.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2002/tarnak_farms_report.doc

and you can't say this was a mistake "in the heat of battle" because they were returning to base after an uneventful flight. One of MANY uneventful flights over the last few months.

 

[EagleSmack]

You haven't read the report, have you. He was let off with a slap on the wrist when you take into account that neither he, nor his flight lead did ANYTHING right. They broke damn near EVERY rule of engagement for that flight AND he disobeyed direct orders not to engage.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2002/tarnak_farms_report.doc

and you can't say this was a mistake "in the heat of battle" because they were returning to base after an uneventful flight. One of MANY uneventful flights over the last few months.

I most certainly did read the report. I am not supporting anything they did. It was negligence.


You just ignore all of the Canadian soldiers that did the same thing because you have a hard on against Americans. Have you read line by line of every friendly fire death of Canadians in the Afghan theater? I have.

 

[gerryh]

I most certainly did read the report. I am not supporting anything they did. It was negligence.


You just ignore all of the Canadian soldiers that did the same thing because you have a hard on against Americans. Have you read line by line of every friendly fire death of Canadians in the Afghan theater? I have.

and if they were neglectful in any way, they should have had their asses nailed to the wall. Murder charges, or at least, manslaughter.

 

[JLM]

Also Canada's refugee policy is just that - Canada's. If Canada chooses to accept refugees then that is Canada's business. And there is no real parallel between the uncontrolled flow of refugees into Europe and Canada's orderly selection of refugees. Europe is facing a flood of hundreds of thousands of refugees - Canada is selecting just a few thousand a month.

Maybe not so orderly- they are bringing in too many faster than they can properly manage. Sometimes the biggest wrongs are done with the best of intentions. How many of the ones being brought in now are going to eventually be psychologically f**ked up?

 

[EagleSmack]

and if they were neglectful in any way, they should have had their asses nailed to the wall. Murder charges, or at least, manslaughter.

And some were. Surprised you don't know of any. It just doesn't have that impact to you when you do it to yourselves or to others. Look at the list.

 

[gerryh]

And some were. Surprised you don't know of any. It just doesn't have that impact to you when you do it to yourselves or to others. Look at the list.

I'm thinking your memory isn't very good. So I'm just going to let all this pass.

 

[EagleSmack]

I'm thinking your memory isn't very good. So I'm just going to let all this pass.

It has nothing to do with MY memory. It has everything to do with researching Canadian casualties in Afghanistan and how they were killed because of you bringing up the Tarnak Farm Incident over and over.

 

[NancyDL]

Canada back at the kid's table.

They were ALWAYS at the kids table under Harper.