Paris Climate Change Conference: The Official Thread
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I don't see them going away but the idealogues will push for taxes and make them more expensive. Costs to some business may go up which they won't be able to pass along and they may close.
When the money from carbon taxes is going back to oil research to extract, process, distribute more fossils fuels more efficiently, it stinks of corruption.
More importantly, you don't see any infrastructure being put in place to deliver and distribute this magical green tech.
Interesting how the tards don't think about this small, infinitesimal element
The true believers will never see this reality.... The light emanating from their massive egos blinds them to these facts.
It's the perfect bait and switch
I agree.
erm I suppose that businesses can always pass carbon tax and whatever else onto consumers. Like BC's extra 9¢ on gasoline, for instance. If gov'ts were smart they would use that revenue to cut other taxes, though.
Oil is very handy stuff. Good luck getting in the way of oil. The oil has to be liberated from the barrons though. The peoples oil, I consider oil to be a human right, the carbon was here when I got here, forget the tax, I'll fight you.
This is the big question... Are gvts using a trendy movement as an excuse to fund their inefficiencies or are they truly prepared to apply these monies towards developing the tech and infrastructure and wholesale transitions, etc, etc, etc.
In my opinion, the whole undertaking is just so massive (monumental in many respects) that it is nothing more than a fantasy that is being sold.
PS - another expression for fantasy here might be huge lie
It's conspiracy on an intercontinental scale, it will be studied for centuries, I hope.
Volcano plugging wasn't disscussed seriously. If we could stop the planets natural discharges we wouldn't have to stop our natural discharges.
It's conspiracy on an intercontinental scale, it will be studied for centuries, I hope.
I hope so as well.
It's amazing that despite the utter failure in the 'experts' predictions, climate modelling, perpetual references to 'climate scientists' (they don't exist in any recognized post secondary institution at present) and documented frauds involving groups like the UN and idiots like Gore and Suzuki that anyone with a shred of cognitive capacity would entertain this nonsense.
.. Just goes to show that PT Barnum was right all those years ago
The education systems take care of that now, suckers are mass produced.
Obama has proposed a legally binding agreement applicable to all nations without binding emissions targets. That approach isn’t ideal, but it’s politically and legally achievable – and a massive step forward for climate action.
The decision to move ahead without Congressional approval does have certain implications. Presidents generally only have authority to approve executive agreements without Congress when those agreements can be fully implemented under existing law. Current US law does not explicitly authorize the president to manage the US economy to achieve a national economy-wide climate target. But it does allow the president to bind the nation to international diplomatic processes.
That means US negotiators can push in Paris for an agreement that would obligate every nation to have internationally binding obligations to develop climate action plans, report transparently on progress and revise those plans regularly, all without needing new action by Congress.
What matters most is that countries back their targets with the force of law domestically. Whereas the international community has no international climate police, the United States government can and does impose fines and even criminal penalties on polluters that disobey domestic environmental laws. If other countries take the same approach then Paris can succeed despite its imperfections.
The White House's COP 21 goals: less climate idealism, more political realism | Nigel Purvis | Opinion | The Guardian
The decision to move ahead without Congressional approval does have certain implications. Presidents generally only have authority to approve executive agreements without Congress when those agreements can be fully implemented under existing law. Current US law does not explicitly authorize the president to manage the US economy to achieve a national economy-wide climate target. But it does allow the president to bind the nation to international diplomatic processes.
That means US negotiators can push in Paris for an agreement that would obligate every nation to have internationally binding obligations to develop climate action plans, report transparently on progress and revise those plans regularly, all without needing new action by Congress.
What matters most is that countries back their targets with the force of law domestically. Whereas the international community has no international climate police, the United States government can and does impose fines and even criminal penalties on polluters that disobey domestic environmental laws. If other countries take the same approach then Paris can succeed despite its imperfections.
The White House's COP 21 goals: less climate idealism, more political realism | Nigel Purvis | Opinion | The Guardian
I forget how many decades it is now since we started to save the planet. Expensive suits followed by entorages jetting all over the planet for a whole generation selling shares in planetary salvage and renovation to the entire crew shopping public of earth. The cost has been monumental but the breakthrough in Paris was worth it. The planet loves us.
Speaking to the author of the article which you have C&Ped, I don't think anybody is against punishing polluters. I would be surprised if the US wasn't doing that already under existing laws. There are no laws to govern CO2 as only those that drink the kool-aid accept the "science". So I have no doubt something will come out of these talks, in addition to the luxurious vacation for the participants, it will be a lot of fluff language which will be quickly forgotten once the participants jet set home in their first class airlines. Neither Obama or his democratic successor (if there is one) will have any political traction as the Republicans will likely hold both houses of the legislative branch.
lol If anything, politicians can come up with dozens of ways to abscond with public money and waste it and they can do so on the spur of a moment.
Oil is very handy stuff. Good luck getting in the way of oil. The oil has to be liberated from the barrons though. The peoples oil, I consider oil to be a human right, the carbon was here when I got here, forget the tax, I'll fight you.Money? That's old fashioned isn't it?
By from CO-OP. Problem solved.