Is it moral for God to punish us?

[darkbeaver]

How can anyone be born good or bad. They haven't done nothing yet. I believe children are born innocent. I do not believe they inherit some sin nature. But maybe we were put here by aliens kinda like a penal colony eons ago and we be criminals by nature. . who knows

In the beginning of what was to become christianity the newborn was free of sin it was only after Peters gang of plagerists made many revisions to the books that the sin of man was added and flesh or carnal knowledge became negative.

 

[Ludlow]

Science does insinuate that sociopaths might be born that way though. For one reason or another. So any answer isn't so cut and dry.

 

[AnnaG]

Science does insinuate that sociopaths might be born that way though. For one reason or another. So any answer isn't so cut and dry.

Evolution is a tendency, not a written-in-stone surety. Aberrations and mutations occur.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I will never understand the logic of railing against an entity that one contends does not exist.

In the simplest possible terms: most people DO believe in that entity to at least some degree, it strongly affects how they think and act, it's deeply embedded in the culture we all have to live in and thus affects everybody, so the more people can be persuaded to think a little more clearly about the belief itself and its consequences the better off we'll all be.

 

[darkbeaver]

Science does insinuate that sociopaths might be born that way though. For one reason or another. So any answer isn't so cut and dry.

That is true but ones parent might do something to cause the sociopathic condition in the child and it is written that the sins of the father will be visited on the sons. You're right it still isn't cut and dry is it? Maybe that's why there's several million pages of hige brow detail to get through before we have a well shaped idea of what the hell they're trying to explain. Most of us give up after two or three hundred thousand pages.

That is probably also a sin.

In the simplest possible terms: most people DO believe in that entity to at least some degree, it strongly affects how they think and act, it's deeply embedded in the culture we all have to live in and thus affects everybody, so the more people can be persuaded to think a little more clearly about the belief itself and its consequences the better off we'll all be.

I think that's entirely correct Sinister.

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[Ludlow]

That is true but ones parent might do something to cause the sociopathic condition in the child and it is written that the sins of the father will be visited on the sons. You're right it still isn't cut and dry is it? Maybe that's why there's several million pages of hige brow detail to get through before we have a well shaped idea of what the hell they're trying to explain. Most of us give up after two or three hundred thousand pages.

That is probably also a sin.



I think that's entirely correct Sinister.

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I've made plenty of mistakes on my own in my time but my dad's or my grand dads mistakes,,,were not mine. I don't buy that doctrine but then, I'm not a Christian.

 

[French Patriot]

How can anyone be born good or bad. They haven't done nothing yet. I believe children are born innocent. I do not believe they inherit some sin nature. But maybe we were put here by aliens kinda like a penal colony eons ago and we be criminals by nature. . who knows

You really should follow that link in post 136.


Regards
DL

The fall did not happen to man, it happened to the souls that were to join with man. It is the decent of the amnimating spirit or intelligence that makes man half devine and half beast, so they say in the old stuff.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

The old stuff also say that serpents and donkeys can talk.


Need I say more?


Regards
DL

In the beginning of what was to become christianity the newborn was free of sin it was only after Peters gang of plagerists made many revisions to the books that the sin of man was added and flesh or carnal knowledge became negative.

Virgins had value way before Peter was even born.


Regards
DL

Science does insinuate that sociopaths might be born that way though. For one reason or another. So any answer isn't so cut and dry.

I spoke to insanity not being the norm above.


Everyone else is born with a default position that seeks to do good while still creating a bias against evil.


That remains so until we begin to compete and that is the first times we can be said to do evil from the POV of the losers of those competitions.


Regards
DL

I've made plenty of mistakes on my own in my time but my dad's or my grand dads mistakes,,,were not mine. I don't buy that doctrine but then, I'm not a Christian.

Indeed.


I like to think I learned from my fathers mistakes.
I did not emulate them.


People forget that lessons are learned from mistakes and that way we don't all have to make the mistake ourselves to learn what not to do.


Regards
DL

 

[MHz]

so much for the claim of immortal life
would it be wise to buy a vacume cleaner from a guy with that kind of track record?
im suprised he isn't also pushing perpetual motion

God sent Him to hell, like Jonah He was awake in death rather than in a deep sleep like Job and the rest of mankind.

This is the design I would choose.

 

[Jinentonix]

Shoot, boy, that's nothing. You wanna hate god, just take a good look at the Kardashians.

I don't hate him, just doubt he's really paying that close of attention if he does exist. As for the Krapdashians, sadly, I've run across worse in real life. My ex-wife's family were prime examples. Her parents were all right but her siblings and it turned out her as well, were just absolute pieces of sh*t.
If I ran across any of them with a bucket of water in my hand and they were on fire, I'd empty the bucket and try to beat out the flames with it.

 

[MHz]

Perhaps it is 'us' who isn't paying attention. If He doesn't 'turn His back' how could he make a return?

Isa:42:9:
Behold,
the former things are come to pass,
and new things do I declare:
before they spring forth I tell you of them.

Jer:4:28:
For this shall the earth mourn,
and the heavens above be black:
because I have spoken it,
I have purposed it,
and will not repent,
neither will I turn back from it.

Jer:51:33:
For thus saith the LORD of hosts,
the God of Israel;
The daughter of Babylon is like a threshingfloor,
it is time to thresh her:
yet a little while,
and the time of her harvest shall come.

Isa:54:7-10:
For a small moment have I forsaken thee;
but with great mercies will I gather thee.
In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment;
but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee,
saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
For this is as the waters of Noah unto me:
for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth;
so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee,
nor rebuke thee.
For the mountains shall depart,
and the hills be removed;
but my kindness shall not depart from thee,
neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed,
saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee.

Isa:54:16:
Behold,
I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire,
and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work;
and I have created the waster to destroy.
Isa:54:17:
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper;
and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD,
and their righteousness is of me,
saith the LORD.

M't:13:41:
The Son of man shall send forth his angels,
and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend,
and them which do iniquity;

M't:13:49:
So shall it be at the end of the world:
the angels shall come forth,
and sever the wicked from among the just,

Joh:16:7:
Nevertheless I tell you the truth;
It is expedient for you that I go away:
for if I go not away,
the Comforter will not come unto you;
but if I depart,
I will send him unto you.

Memo to the 'blame it on the in-laws crowd'. If you didn't have some serious flaws of your own you would have never fallen in love enough to get married. If you deny that part then you never dealt with it and it would still be influencing your life on almost daily level.

 

[AnnaG]

God sent Him to hell, like Jonah He was awake in death rather than in a deep sleep like Job and the rest of mankind.

This is the design I would choose.

Interesting. One is just as useless as the other. And the bearings would still wear out eventually.

Perhaps it is 'us' who isn't paying attention. If He doesn't 'turn His back' how could he make a return?

And if it never bothers to pay attention, why would it bother to "return"?

Memo to the 'blame it on the in-laws crowd'. If you didn't have some serious flaws of your own you would have never fallen in love enough to get married. If you deny that part then you never dealt with it and it would still be influencing your life on almost daily level.

"The serious flaws to begin with" part comes from being human and the the electro-chemical gizmo our skin holds together, complete with pheromones, hormones, and whatnot that make us do what we do. There's no hocus pocus, abracadabra, shazam sort of mystery to it.

 

[MHz]

Poor attention to morality fences.
Puts some big weights where the red flags are and it might turn a small generator or alternator. Most would be quite happy if bearings was all that had to be replaced

 

[Ludlow]

why do folks like to talk in riddles. what's the friggin pernt in that

 

[AnnaG]

Moralities are dictated by whatever society says they are. They're a human agreement with each other.
In New Guinea ages ago, for instance, it used to be moral to eat your enemy.
In ancient Ireland, it used to be moral to wear your enemies' heads on your belt when you went to war.
In North Am, ages ago, it used to be moral to nick your neighbours' horses.

why do folks like to talk in riddles. what's the friggin pernt in that

He can't help it.

Anyways, considering Christian societies, the morals we tend to try adhering to say hypocrisy is a nono. And yet here Christians have a god that insists on demanding stuff from us that it considers itself above. And then it adds insult to injury by punishing us for doing as it does. It's a good basis for considering this god to be insane.

 

[Ludlow]

So morality is subjective to whatever culture you belong to. Not sure but there might be some sense inside me that would make me feel that cutting someone's head off and wearing it in my belt might not be the right thing to do.

 

[AnnaG]

So morality is subjective to whatever culture you belong to.

It's pretty much been like that since history was invented.

Not sure but there might be some sense inside me that would make me feel that cutting someone's head off and wearing it in my belt might not be the right thing to do.

Yeah, I am not entirely amenable to the idea either. we have different societal concerns these days, fortunately.

 

[Twila]

Moralities are dictated by whatever society says they are. They're a human agreement with each other.
In New Guinea ages ago, for instance, it used to be moral to eat your enemy.
In ancient Ireland, it used to be moral to wear your enemies' heads on your belt when you went to war.
In North Am, ages ago, it used to be moral to nick your neighbours' horses.

I don't know where my head is at, but I read your last sentence as pick your neighbours noses...

 

[Ludlow]

I don't know where my head is at, but I read your last sentence as pick your neighbours noses...

Picking your neighbors noses is the greatest expression of love.

It's pretty much been like that since history was invented. Yeah, I am not entirely amenable to the idea either. we have different societal concerns these days, fortunately.

some do. unfortunately there are still parasites who still enjoy being barbarians.

 

[AnnaG]

I don't know where my head is at, but I read your last sentence as pick your neighbours noses...

roflmao
Wanna borrow my cheaters?

 

[Twila]

roflmao
Wanna borrow my cheaters?

I don't think wearing 2 pairs of glasses would help. lol