God does not want the unbeliever to believe

[selfsame]

The decent was spirit from above (higher celestial order) onto a mound (planet earth)

The descence here they mean: the evolution, which is not correct.
Each species was created separately in the form of a male and a female and these reproduced and multiplied.

 

[AnnaG]

{32: 2 The Scripture [: the Quran], whereof there is no doubt, is being revealed from the Lord of nations. }



You don't read carefully.
God created Adam and Eve, in the inside of the ground, from wet soil, and they were planted like how the truffles do plant; and when their creation was complete, they got out from that grave to the surface of the earth.
('And God has formed you from the earth as a planting.')

God - be exalted - said in the Quran 90: 4, which means:
(Surely, We created man [: Adam] inside [a grave; and his progeny inside the womb.])


God - be exalted - said in the Quran 71: 17
(Surely, We created man [: Adam] inside [a grave; and his progeny inside the womb.])

It means: under or inside the ground.

The meaning: God created Adam in the 'inside' of one of the mountains; for God created Adam and Eve, on a mountain, and then they descended from it to the plain land.
However, God - be exalted - mentioned, one time, that He created Adam from mud or clay; and another time He said that He created him from earth or soil; because the wet soil or earth can be called mud as can it be called soil.


[Darkness Is Essential for the Process of Creation]
God - be exalted - said in the Quran 39: 6

The explanation:
(He does create you in your mothers' wombs: creation after creation, in three shadows.)

That is because formation of the fetus or the new creature, whether it was a man or an animal, cannot be accomplished unless in darkness; because the sun is fatal to the living cells, from which the new creature is being formed. Therefore, God - be exalted - created Adam in an old grave which was on a mountain.

God - be exalted - said in the Quran 90: 4, which means:
(Surely, We created man [: Adam] inside [a grave; and his progeny inside the womb.] )

It means: in the 'inside' of the mountain.


[Creating Man from Clay]
God - be exalted - said in the Quran 7: 12; expressing the words of Satan (i.e. Iblies) when he refused to fall prostrate to Adam, which means:
([Iblies] said: "I am better than he; [for] You created me from fire, and him You created out of clay.")

Moreover, God - be exalted - said in the Quran 15: 33, which means:
([Iblies] said: "I am not to prostrate myself to a human whom You created out of a black putrid clay.)

It means: from a black putrid mud [i.e. potter's clay, or mud which is about dry.]


The deluge was confined to a certain region where Noah and his people: the disbelievers lived, and it did not involve the entire earth.


Such animals live in other regions of the earth.


Who said about descending; God created each species separately : a male and a female, in the same way as did He create Adam and Eve.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/retort/index.htm#Creating_Man_from_Clay

ok Maybe you can skip the hashish. It doesn't cause such surrealistic hallucinations such as the ones you describe. Opium does, though.

The descence here they mean: the evolution, which is not correct.
Each species was created separately in the form of a male and a female and these reproduced and multiplied.

The facts say otherwise.

 

[selfsame]

ok Maybe you can skip the hashish. It doesn't cause such surrealistic hallucinations such as the ones you describe. Opium does, though.

The facts say otherwise.

You are blinded, and I think will not see the truth.

 

[darkbeaver]

You are blinded, and I think will not see the truth.

You should stop talking to that married woman, I doubt she has her face covered. She will lead you astray. Be carefull.

 

[AnnaG]

You are blinded, and I think will not see the truth.

Absolutely and irrevocably correct. I do not, can not, and will never see your truth. Facts point me to the correct truths, not your truths.

 

[darkbeaver]

At least you cannot hear her transfixing sultry voice and cannot be tempted that way.

 

[AnnaG]

You should stop talking to that married woman, I doubt she has her face covered. She will lead you astray. Be carefull.

You bet. I am the most evil slavewife on the planet.

 

[selfsame]

You should stop talking to that married woman, I doubt she has her face covered. She will lead you astray. Be carefull.

If she insists on her disbelief, what will I say to her? She will have what she deserves in the Next Life, and also in this life of the World in the end.

 

[talloola]

You bet. I am the most evil slavewife on the planet.

did you marry 'again' to a husband I have not heard of? lol

somehow your old one doesn't fit this scenario. lol

there is no one telling us to believe or not, except those believers who have no proof of
anything they say.

someone on this board, a while back said he will stay in the middle, just in case, I found
that hilarious. I guess that is what agnostics are, would you agree?
I asked him "in case of what", no reply.

 

[darkbeaver]

If she insists on her disbelief, what will I say to her? She will have what she deserves in the Next Life, and also in this life of the World in the end.

You can't save everyone EA. Say goodbye to her and move on to the next needy soul.

 

[AnnaG]

If she insists on her disbelief, what will I say to her?

I do not disbelieve in your god. I simply disbelieve YOU, al Hilly, and Mohammed.

She will have what she deserves in the Next Life, and also in this life of the World in the end.

YAY! i'll take my cakes in lemon and orange flavours and I will have my chocolate brownies with crushed walnuts on top of the icing. My men will be kind, intelligent, humorous, honest, and thoughtful. I will be able to converse with my critter friends. My edibles will be varied and spicy. There will be no fools such as selfsame. There will be no malicious, immature, and stupid gods. Work will be varied and pleasurable and entertainment will be varied and fun. My dreams will be full-length, 5-star movies of my choice in genres. And I do not want 72 virgins; rather they should be experienced and if that is not possible, I will stick with toys. Climate should be 4-seasonal. Environment should be with forests, mountains, lakes and rivers and I should have the equipment I need to explore it all.
That should do for a start. I'll decide on more when I see the menu.

 

[darkbeaver]

I do not disbelieve in your god. I simply disbelieve YOU, al Hilly, and Mohammed.YAY! i'll take my cakes in lemon and orange flavours and I will have my chocolate brownies with crushed walnuts on top of the icing. My men will be kind, intelligent, humorous, honest, and thoughtful. I will be able to converse with my critter friends. My edibles will be varied and spicy. There will be no fools such as selfsame. There will be no malicious, immature, and stupid gods. Work will be varied and pleasurable and entertainment will be varied and fun. My dreams will be full-length, 5-star movies of my choice in genres. And I do not want 72 virgins; rather they should be experienced and if that is not possible, I will stick with toys. Climate should be 4-seasonal. Environment should be with forests, mountains, lakes and rivers and I should have the equipment I need to explore it all.
That should do for a start. I'll decide on more when I see the menu.

No man can do that for you. You need a god bad girl.

 

[selfsame]

You can't save everyone EA. Say goodbye to her and move on to the next needy soul.

I am not insisting on her but she comes to give her comments.
My way is to say to everyone once and to leave him, but if anyone likes discussion in a logical and respectful way, I think it is good to discuss with him or her.
So, darkbeaver, you see I give information about the Quran and its interpretation, but many people here impede this or try to hinder this, by mockery and ridicule, what shall I do, but of course they will never be able to distort the truth before people; people may be aware and clever. :smile:

 

[AnnaG]

did you marry 'again' to a husband I have not heard of? lol

somehow your old one doesn't fit this scenario. lol

there is no one telling us to believe or not, except those believers who have no proof of
anything they say.

someone on this board, a while back said he will stay in the middle, just in case, I found
that hilarious. I guess that is what agnostics are, would you agree?
I asked him "in case of what", no reply.

Well, some of what I say IS meant in jest and is not necessarily true. hehe
I am agnostic and I believe in all gods. I am just not sure if any exist or not. And if they do or do not exist, they are irrelevant because they do nothing for us or against us or with us.

No man can do that for you. You need a god bad girl.

Well, yeah. Eanassir said "will have what she deserves in the Next Life". Or rather his alterego, selfsame, said that. Men do not make "next lives", do they?

Selfie/eanassir's head is so full there is no room for learning or thought. He is a recording.

I am not insisting on her but she comes to give her comments.
My way is to say to everyone once and to leave him, but if anyone likes discussion in a logical and respectful way, I think it is good to discuss with him or her.
So, darkbeaver, you see I give information about the Quran and its interpretation, but many people here impede this or try to hinder this, by mockery and ridicule, what shall I do, but of course they will never be able to distort the truth before people; people may be aware and clever. :smile:

erm, you deserve no respect because you give none nor do you have any self-respect.

 

[darkbeaver]

Well, some of what I say IS meant in jest and is not necessarily true. hehe
I am agnostic and I believe in all gods. I am just not sure if any exist or not. And if they do or do not exist, they are irrelevant because they do nothing for us or against us or with us.

Well, yeah. Eanassir said "will have what she deserves in the Next Life". Or rather his alterego, selfsame, said that. Men do not make "next lives", do they?

Selfie/eanassir's head is so full there is no room for learning or thought. He is a recording.

He's a good man and just wants whats best for all people I believe weather in this life or the next. Has a big handsome man not made your life? And why would the next life be different especially if you've done all your chores concientiously in this life? Poof I think your next life will be even better than this one, if in fact you don't enjoy the best possible in this present life of yours, the least you could expect would be one just as good. How's that for a positive outcome?

 

[AnnaG]

He's a good man and just wants whats best for all people I believe weather in this life or the next.

He's a recording and cannot think. He can only regurgitate what is written in the Quran.

Has a big handsome man not made your life?

Well, I think he's cute, rather than handsome.

And why would the next life be different especially if you've done all your chores concientiously in this life? Poof I think your next life will be even better than this one, if in fact you don't enjoy the best possible in this present life of yours, the least you could expect would be one just as good. How's that for a positive outcome?

YAY! i'll take my cakes in lemon and orange flavours and I will have my chocolate brownies with crushed walnuts on top of the icing. My men will be kind, intelligent, humorous, honest, and thoughtful. I will be able to converse with my critter friends. My edibles will be varied and spicy. There will be no fools such as selfsame. There will be no malicious, immature, and stupid gods. Work will be varied and pleasurable and entertainment will be varied and fun. My dreams will be full-length, 5-star movies of my choice in genres. And I do not want 72 virgins; rather they should be experienced and if that is not possible, I will stick with toys. Climate should be 4-seasonal. Environment should be with forests, mountains, lakes and rivers and I should have the equipment I need to explore it all.
That should do for a start. I'll decide on more when I see the menu.

 

[Twila]

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While what you said: Makes adam from dirt and eve from his rib
Adam was created from decayed organic substance of a corpse of dead man in a grave. The grave was on one of the earth mountains.
While Eve was not created from the rib of Adam, this is only the story told by Ezra the writer of the Torah after their return from the captivity of Babylon. So he invented many things, one of such inventions is that Eve was created from the rib of Adam.
While in fact Eve was created in the same way as Adam from the same decayed organic substance, then when their creation was completed they came out from that grave to the surface of the earth.
The Universe and the Quran 2
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On the other hand: "has to have Noah build an arc and save 2 of everything"
The deluge of Noah afflicted only his people who disbelieved, and Noah together with his companions the believers, were saved in the arc.
He carried two spouses : a male and a female of every kind of the domestic animals like the sheep, cow, goat, horse, donkey, hen, duck .. etc, but not the wild animals like the wolf, or the snake ..etc. That is because the deluge would involve all that region and no living animal will remain for them to make use of it.

So the first man that god created from the decayed organic substance of a dead man? Did god know this?

How did Noah keep his animals alive after the arc landed with no food left on the earth? How did he feed the meat eaters if he couldn't feed them the other animals? How did he collect the polar bear and the penguin? Or did they walk to the arc themselves? And how did Noah's family reproduce with committing incest? How were they able to defeat the diseases the come from inbreeding?

What did they use to build houses if all the trees were dead (trees can't survive under water) and why didn't god simply smite down the unbelievers instead of killing ever living thing on the planet with a flood? He could have vapourized them instantly and noah wouldn't have had to build an arc and the rest of the innocent animals wouldn't have had to die because of god?

 

[Ludlow]

So the first man that god created from the decayed organic substance of a dead man? Did god know this?

How did Noah keep his animals alive after the arc landed with no food left on the earth? How did he feed the meat eaters if he couldn't feed them the other animals? How did he collect the polar bear and the penguin? Or did they walk to the arc themselves? And how did Noah's family reproduce with committing incest? How were they able to defeat the diseases the come from inbreeding?

What did they use to build houses if all the trees were dead (trees can't survive under water) and why didn't god simply smite down the unbelievers instead of killing ever living thing on the planet with a flood? He could have vapourized them instantly and noah wouldn't have had to build an arc and the rest of the innocent animals wouldn't have had to die because of god?

you may as well debate a fence post twila

 

[Twila]

you may as well debate a fence post twila

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