God does not want the unbeliever to believe

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[So God threatened them with punishment, and said:]
41: 27-28, which means:
27. So [In the Next Life] We shall make the disbelievers suffer a terrible chastisement, and shall recompense them according to their worst acts.

28. Such [punishment] will be the requital of God's enemies: the Fire, in which they will [be chastised] and will have [exhaling and inhaling; it is] the Home of Eternity b, in recompense for that they denied Our signs.
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b From which they will not be taken out.
 
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Twila

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[So God threatened them with punishment, and said:]
41: 27, which means:
27. So [In the Next Life] We shall make the disbelievers suffer a terrible chastisement, and shall recompense them according to their worst acts.

your imaginary friend has absolutely no pull in this world. Only in your imaginary world. I'd say you'll find out when you die but guess what? Even the bible acknowledges that the dead know nothing.

It's really too bad. You are missing out on so much. Living in fear of retribution and fear of commiting some offense to something that only lives in your imagination. Well you'll figure it out once you die...oh no you won't cause the dead know nothing.
 

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[So God threatened them with punishment, and said:]
41: 27, which means:
27. So [In the Next Life] We shall make the disbelievers suffer a terrible chastisement, and shall recompense them according to their worst acts.
IOW, "Believe in me or I will beat you to a pulp."
Nice tactics if you are a grade 4 bully in a grade 2 class.

k, but can you have the cows, goats, and all other animals in the place for the smart people? Animals don't deserve to be left with the idiots.
Of course I would not inflict annoying and stupid people on those poor critters. What I would leave those idiots is lots of bellybutton lint to play with.

we don't oppose him. We think he's an idiot, a pedophile, and a psychopath who pals around with an imaginary friend. Too bad he wasn't around now, he could get the help he needs cause he clearly has a mental illness.
An extra dose of bellybutton lint for him.
 

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Of course I would not inflict annoying and stupid people on those poor critters. What I would leave those idiots is lots of bellybutton lint to play with.

Phewf! if it weren't for the non human animals of this planet, I'd have left long ago.
 

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So had God willed, He could have guided everyone, but He decided that He will fill Hell with wrong-doers.
32: 12-13, which mean:
{12. If you [Mohammed] but only see when sinners lower down their heads [with humiliation and shyness] before their Lord [in the Afterlife: the world of souls; saying:] "Our Lord, we have seen and heard, then return us back [to the life of the World], that we may do [some] righteous [work]; for we [now] are certain [about the reward and the punishment.]"

[Then God – be glorified – said in reply to their words:]
13. If We had so willed, We could have given to every soul its guidance, but My due word was pronounced in truth i: "Certainly, I will fill Hell with [the wrong-doers of] the genie-kind and the man-kind altogether."}
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i i.e. I said and My word is True that after death there will not be any return to the life of the World, and now I will certainly fill Hell …

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
 

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So had God willed, He could have guided everyone, but He decided that He will fill Hell with wrong-doers.
32: 12-13, which mean:
{12. If you [Mohammed] but only see when sinners lower down their heads [with humiliation and shyness] before their Lord [in the Afterlife: the world of souls; saying:] "Our Lord, we have seen and heard, then return us back [to the life of the World], that we may do [some] righteous [work]; for we [now] are certain [about the reward and the punishment.]"

[Then God – be glorified – said in reply to their words:]
13. If We had so willed, We could have given to every soul its guidance, but My due word was pronounced in truth i: "Certainly, I will fill Hell with [the wrong-doers of] the genie-kind and the man-kind altogether."}
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i i.e. I said and My word is True that after death there will not be any return to the life of the World, and now I will certainly fill Hell …

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.
That's exactly why your god means diddly to me and I would much rather spend my time in hell than be near it.
 

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I doubt it. No sensible, mature, merciful being would punish another for simply telling the truth.

why not? They're going to be punished for being made the way they were. For being given free will and using it. For being born into sin by just being born. By using the brain that god gave them. So telling the truth is certainly punishable by such a being that would do any of the other stuff.

Makes adam from dirt and eve from his rib, but has to have Noah build an arc and save 2 of everything. sheesh!
 

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You will discover this following your death.
lol And you saw this in your crystal ball? Or did you divine this using your goat innards? Reading the alignments of the planets and stars? Feeling the bumps on your head?

Fool. I should blast you into oblivion just on general principle. I AM A GOD.

Twila, you forgot having had to get a lowly human to write books for it, as well.
That makes me wonder. Do gods go to school? Are there special classes for special godkids?
 

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why not? They're going to be punished for being made the way they were. For being given free will and using it. For being born into sin by just being born. By using the brain that god gave them. So telling the truth is certainly punishable by such a being that would do any of the other stuff.

Makes adam from dirt and eve from his rib, but has to have Noah build an arc and save 2 of everything. sheesh!

They are going to be punished for their disbelief: the atheism and idolatry. They are misguided because they are wrong-doers.
So because they are wrong-doers, they were not guided; so they fall into the idolatry and associating other gods with God Almighty.
Quran 32: 13
{13. If We had so willed, We could have given to every soul its guidance, but My due word was pronounced in truth i: "Certainly, I will fill Hell with [the wrong-doers of] the genie-kind and the man-kind altogether."}
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i i.e. I said and My word is True that after death there will not be any return to the life of the World, and now I will certainly fill Hell …

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While what you said: Makes adam from dirt and eve from his rib
Adam was created from decayed organic substance of a corpse of dead man in a grave. The grave was on one of the earth mountains.
While Eve was not created from the rib of Adam, this is only the story told by Ezra the writer of the Torah after their return from the captivity of Babylon. So he invented many things, one of such inventions is that Eve was created from the rib of Adam.
While in fact Eve was created in the same way as Adam from the same decayed organic substance, then when their creation was completed they came out from that grave to the surface of the earth.
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On the other hand: "has to have Noah build an arc and save 2 of everything"
The deluge of Noah afflicted only his people who disbelieved, and Noah together with his companions the believers, were saved in the arc.
He carried two spouses : a male and a female of every kind of the domestic animals like the sheep, cow, goat, horse, donkey, hen, duck .. etc, but not the wild animals like the wolf, or the snake ..etc. That is because the deluge would involve all that region and no living animal will remain for them to make use of it.

your sense of humour is overwhelming, well, just enough to make me snicker.

talloola, talloola, how much of your energy remained so as to snicker? Then when you will die sooner or later you will not snicker.

I AM A GOD.

You are not any god; your gut is full of air and dirt.
 

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sometimes I'll look at pictures of the universe . All the spinning galaxies which seem to be endless. And somewhere in all of this there is a little pebble . On that pebble there are those who for some odd reason think they have the ability to explain it all. And claim the authority and qualifications to be a mouth piece for something they could not possibly conceive or comprehend. We don't know anything, but for some reason some of think we know. A lady told me that once. You only think you know. She was right.

Well there are many people who don't even bother to think about how or why or where they are. Those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know.
 

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They are going to be punished for their disbelief: the atheism and idolatry. They are misguided because they are wrong-doers.
Oh, right. You don't use divination methods, you use a book written by some deluded گه بابون.
So because they are wrong-doers, they were not guided; so they fall into the idolatry and associating other gods with God Almighty.
No other god in its right mind would associate with your سر تریاک.
Quran 32: 13
{13. If We had so willed, We could have given to every soul its guidance, but My due word was pronounced in truth i: "Certainly, I will fill Hell with [the wrong-doers of] the genie-kind and the man-kind altogether."}
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i i.e. I said and My word is True that after death there will not be any return to the life of the World, and now I will certainly fill Hell …

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While what you said: Makes adam from dirt and eve from his rib
Adam was created from decayed organic substance of a corpse of dead man in a grave. The grave was on one of the earth mountains.
While Eve was not created from the rib of Adam, this is only the story told by Ezra the writer of the Torah after their return from the captivity of Babylon. So he invented many things, one of such inventions is that Eve was created from the rib of Adam.
While in fact Eve was created in the same way as Adam from the same decayed organic substance, then when their creation was completed they came out from that grave to the surface of the earth.
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Hey! That is sort of correct. The existing evidence suggests that what life was built from (acids and proteins) landed here on meteorites and the like, so those items could have been considered to be "dirt".
On the other hand: "has to have Noah build an arc and save 2 of everything"
The deluge of Noah afflicted only his people who disbelieved, and Noah together with his companions the believers, were saved in the arc.
He carried two spouses : a male and a female of every kind of the domestic animals like the sheep, cow, goat, horse, donkey, hen, duck .. etc, but not the wild animals like the wolf, or the snake ..etc. That is because the deluge would involve all that region and no living animal will remain for them to make use of it.
Back to the nonsense.
1. There is not enough water on the planet to make a planet-wide flood happen,
2. If only domestic animals were "saved", insects, fish, etc. would not exist.
3. Wolves did not descend from dogs; the reverse is true. Snakes? What domestic animal could the snake come from?

What a foolish book you follow.
 

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Well there are many people who don't even bother to think about how or why or where they are. Those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know.
yeah I'm recalling a verse goes something like this, ,,and woe to them who are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight. There are some good messages in there now and then.
 

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yeah I'm recalling a verse goes something like this, ,,and woe to them who are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight. There are some good messages in there now and then.

There are a lot of very old adages many are in many different langauges and have been arround for ages, it's too bad we didn't learn more of them in school. There's a lot of wisdom in them.
 

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you use a book written by some deluded.

{32: 2 The Scripture [: the Quran], whereof there is no doubt, is being revealed from the Lord of nations. }

The existing evidence suggests that what life was built from (acids and proteins) landed here on meteorites and the like, so those items could have been considered to be "dirt".

You don't read carefully.
God created Adam and Eve, in the inside of the ground, from wet soil, and they were planted like how the truffles do plant; and when their creation was complete, they got out from that grave to the surface of the earth.
('And God has formed you from the earth as a planting.')

God - be exalted - said in the Quran 90: 4, which means:
(Surely, We created man [: Adam] inside [a grave; and his progeny inside the womb.])


God - be exalted - said in the Quran 71: 17
(Surely, We created man [: Adam] inside [a grave; and his progeny inside the womb.])

It means: under or inside the ground.

The meaning: God created Adam in the 'inside' of one of the mountains; for God created Adam and Eve, on a mountain, and then they descended from it to the plain land.
However, God - be exalted - mentioned, one time, that He created Adam from mud or clay; and another time He said that He created him from earth or soil; because the wet soil or earth can be called mud as can it be called soil.


[Darkness Is Essential for the Process of Creation]
God - be exalted - said in the Quran 39: 6

The explanation:
(He does create you in your mothers' wombs: creation after creation, in three shadows.)

That is because formation of the fetus or the new creature, whether it was a man or an animal, cannot be accomplished unless in darkness; because the sun is fatal to the living cells, from which the new creature is being formed. Therefore, God - be exalted - created Adam in an old grave which was on a mountain.

God - be exalted - said in the Quran 90: 4, which means:
(Surely, We created man [: Adam] inside [a grave; and his progeny inside the womb.] )

It means: in the 'inside' of the mountain.


[Creating Man from Clay]
God - be exalted - said in the Quran 7: 12; expressing the words of Satan (i.e. Iblies) when he refused to fall prostrate to Adam, which means:
([Iblies] said: "I am better than he; [for] You created me from fire, and him You created out of clay.")

Moreover, God - be exalted - said in the Quran 15: 33, which means:
([Iblies] said: "I am not to prostrate myself to a human whom You created out of a black putrid clay.)

It means: from a black putrid mud [i.e. potter's clay, or mud which is about dry.]

1. There is not enough water on the planet to make a planet-wide flood happen,
The deluge was confined to a certain region where Noah and his people: the disbelievers lived, and it did not involve the entire earth.

2. If only domestic animals were "saved", insects, fish, etc. would not exist.
Such animals live in other regions of the earth.

3. Wolves did not descend from dogs; the reverse is true. Snakes? What domestic animal could the snake come from?
Who said about descending; God created each species separately : a male and a female, in the same way as did He create Adam and Eve.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/retort/index.htm#Creating_Man_from_Clay
 
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