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The moral corruption is prevalent all over the world; although it is forbidden by God in all the heavenly religions and in all the heavenly revealed books: including the Torah (included in the Old Testament) and including the Quran.

This is the interpretation of the Quran according to Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:

4: 15. Such of your women [: wives] as commit adultery, call [O judges] to witness against them four of you [Muslims];
and if these [witnesses] do witness a, then detain them in the houses [of women-jails, for seven days and nights, without food and drink] until [after elapsing of this period] death overtakes them or God appoints for them some [other] way [: to be released – if still living – after elapsing of the stated period.] b
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a Or she admits, with her own words, that she committed adultery.
b So if the married woman commits adultery, and that is confirmed by four witnesses or she admits it; then before anything else, her husband should divorce her and she should not receive any part of the dowry whether it be the "dowry in advance" or the "postponed dowry"; then she should be imprisoned in a house special for this purpose, and her imprisonment should last for continuous seven days and seven nights during which she should not be given neither food nor water, in order that she may die from starvation and thirst; then when the seven days and nights pass, the door of the house is to be opened; so that if she is found dead, then she will have died with her guilt, but if she is found still living, she will be released; but she will not return to her first husband because she will have been defiled.

And if she repeats the adultery, then her punishment is the execution by pelting with the stone.
The indication that her imprisonment should be for seven days is the Arabic word أَوْ in the aya, which means: (or God appoints for them some [other] way); so, if we calculate it by the Jumal or the numerical value of the letters, the result will be seven.

The second indication is the story of Abu Lubaba when he betrayed and pointed to the Jews implying that their sentence will the slaying in case they agree about the decision of Sa'ad: so Abu Lubaba stayed for seven days and seven nights without eating and drinking until God turned towards Him.

However, the room, where the women, who commit adultery, are to be imprisoned, should be built inside the jail, and its building should be firm and strong: one room inside another, with no more than only one window for air ventilation; so that none can throw to her food or drink; and there should be guard assigned in charge of her.

Moreover, the judge should increase the punishment of the married adulterer, and decrease the punishment of the adulterer who is a bachelor and not married.

In addition, he should increase the punishment of the adulterer who commits adultery with a married woman who has a husband, and should decrease the punishment of the adulterer who commits adultery with an adulterous woman [: i.e. a prostitute.]

Anyhow, the statement of each one of these will be explained later on, by God's will.

About the masturbation (or the secret habit):

This is in the Quran interpretation by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly

4: 16. And those [of either sex] among you, [Muslims], who commit the [masturbation], hurt them [with rebuking and censuring words a]; so if they repent b and reform c, then leave them be d; surely, God is Most-Accepting [of the repentance], Most Merciful e.
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a In order that they may not repeat it again.
The "hurt" here means the hurt by words not by hand; [like the reviling, criticizing the religion and stirring people against you.]

While about the homosexual act (or the Sodomy): it is not mentioned in the Quran because the Arab in the pre-Islam ignorance period had not such act; but the statement for the homosexual act is mentioned in the Torah, Book of Levites, chapter twenty:
(" If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.)

While, in the Islam, their statement is up to the judge who may sentence them to either lashing or imprisonment, as appropriate to the age of either of them: whether he is young or old, married or not married.

While concerning the lesbian act: either of the female shall be lashed with ten lashes.
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b From this habit.
c Their acts.
d And don't hurt them anymore.
e To those who regret.
 

DaSleeper

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No need? No need to understand how words are put together? That's too bad, you're missing out on understanding how many words came into being and their true meaning, as well as understanding all most all medical diseases, conditions, etc that aren't named after a person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_and_Latin_roots_in_English
secularphobist is still a made-up word....

I learned English and french, would have learned Spanish if we bordered Mexico, and I wish my Dad had taught me Cree...
Even though he couldn't read or write, he was fluent in English, French, Cree and Algonquin.
 

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About the adulterer :) male) and adulteress (female) who are not married:

This is the interpretation of the Quran by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:

24: 1. [Here is] a soora a which We have revealed and prescribed [to you: people b], and wherein We have revealed evident revelations [about God’s oneness and might], so that you may receive admonition.

24: 2. The adulteress and the adulterer: whip each of them a hundred lashes. Do not be swayed by pity from carrying out God's law concerning them, if you truly believe in God and the Last Day. And let a group of believers attend their chastisement. c

24: 3. The adulterer shall not marry save an adulteress or an idolatress [: a female polytheist], and the adulteress none shall marry her save an adulterer or an idolater [: male polytheist]. d
All such [marriages] are forbidden to [righteous] believers.
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a or chapter of the Quran.
b i.e. We impose on you to work according to its statements.
c The purpose from their attendance is to take lesson and receive admonition so that they may not be like them.
d It means: It is not allowed for any righteous man to marry a woman that is an adulteress, but a man who is an adulterer and having bad manners may marry her, or a man who is an associater or idolater may marry her: that is because both will be in the Fire.

On the other hand, it is not allowed for any righteous woman to marry a man accustomed to adultery or fornication; but he may marry a woman that is an adulteress like him or an idolatress (or an associater: who associates other beings or idols with God in the worship.)
 

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Oh in a country governed by the religion of peace has flaws.
Wasn't there founder the proud husband of a six year old?
Authorities must have known something at some level but
it will be put behind them as soon as headlines die down.
It also demonstrates the flaw in a religious society that
repressed that shame would triumph or justice and the
society would not react at any level to counter these thugs

Corruption is everywhere all over the world, contrary to the God's commandments prescribed by all the heavenly religions.
So if you see such incident, you surprise; see what is there in your community.
The moral decline in the West is very tremendous:

E.g. I saw a movie:
The boy is in love with the daughter of the neibour; he went and nocked their door: the mother opened the door; he asked about his girlfriend (not his wife or his fiancee); the mother welcomed him and invited him to go inside the house and wait
for her daughter; she asked him: what do you like to drink? He said: Beer!! After a while the mother lied with the boyfriend of her daughter, when the daughter arrived crying .. mom! So the mother came down from the bed arranging her dress and hair and smiling. I think: this may be disgusted by cats even.

Another film of a true story: a white girl went to her African friend: ordinary not sexual friend; she found her pregnant; she asked her who is the father of the baby? The African American girl could not answer, but she crying and weeping pointed to her father.

And so on of the decay and fall of the Western community and you come astonished of some homosexual act: which is rejected by the public; while the homosexuality has become legal in America and Europe.

While Tel Aviv is known to be the worst in moral decline concerning the prostitution and homosexuality.

Blast in busy Baghdad market kills at least 60

This is obviously the act of a serious enemy: not of Muslims; because what is the benefit from killing people in the street or in the market place?

So obviously, the destruction that occurred in Iraq, Syria and the rest of Arab and Muslim countries; it is the design of Zionists, who kill without paying attention, but kill with joy and delight; because they are the true enemy of the Arab and Muslim nation; but anyhow, it is a debt that will be repaid in full.

Till now they killed millions of the Iraqi, Syrians, Palestinians and other Arab and Muslim.
In addition to the outstanding destruction, and driving other millions out of their homes.
 

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So obviously, the destruction that occurred in Iraq, Syria and the rest of Arab and Muslim countries; it is the design of Zionists, who kill without paying attention, but kill with joy and delight; because they are the true enemy of the Arab and Muslim nation; but anyhow, it is a debt that will be repaid in full.
Can't wait to see you try.

Till now they killed millions of the Iraqi, Syrians, Palestinians and other Arab and Muslim.
In addition to the outstanding destruction, and driving other millions out of their homes.
And still nowhere near the number of Muslims who slaughtered each other.


ISIS Enshrines a Theology of Rape

Claiming the Quran’s support, the Islamic State codifies sex slavery in
conquered regions of Iraq and Syria and uses the practice as a recruiting tool.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/14/world/middleeast/isis-enshrines-a-theology-of-rape.html?_r=0


And that's your best and most devout scum.
 

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So obviously, the destruction that occurred in Iraq, Syria and the rest of Arab and Muslim countries; it is the design of Zionists, who kill without paying attention, but kill with joy and delight; because they are the true enemy of the Arab and Muslim nation; but anyhow, it is a debt that will be repaid in full.


Israel kicks azz pretty easily over there.







 

selfsame

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Israel kicks azz pretty easily over there.

This proves what I have said is true.

Moreover, I remind you that Zionists came to Palestine not according to God's command.
God commanded them in the past, when Moses was their leader, to conquer Jericho whose people were idolaters, and they rebelled and refused the command of God; so they were punished by bewildering for forty years.
While now they came, while God has not commanded them, and killed the Palestinians who do not worship the idols, but they worship God Almighty.

Therefore, the prophecy will be fulfilled sooner or later.
And they have one possibility to be saved: it is only to convert now and become Muslims.
صفحة جديدة 1

The prophecy will be fulfilled; but let no one surprise, because in spite of Pharaoh was cruel and powerful, and started to kill the newly born boys of the Children of Israel, but he took Moses to his palace and grew him to be his destruction; so God's will cannot be overcome.
 

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This proves what I have said is true.


That they own you pretty easily... that is true.






Therefore, the prophecy will be fulfilled sooner or later. And they have one possibility to be saved: it is only to convert now and become Muslims
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They'll be busting nukes over your heads before that happens.
 

DaSleeper

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as is islamaphobe, islamaphobia. It's how words come into existence. All words made are up. or didn't you know that?
You can equivocate all you want...the only thing I did was point out to you that a word you used didn't even exist on google.... and you got your panties in a twist over it because you're the kind of person who likes to have the last word on everything....so go for it....this is starting to bore me...you can have the last word!
 

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You can equivocate all you want...the only thing I did was point out to you that a word you used didn't even exist on google.... and you got your panties in a twist over it because you're the kind of person who likes to have the last word on everything....so go for it....this is starting to bore me...you can have the last word!

Is that your way of ending a discussion? Accuse the other of getting there panties in a twist and of having to have the last word? How old are you? I think your panties might be in a twist but mine are quite relaxed and in place. You haven't the intelligence nor wit to bunch my panties.
 

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Corruption is everywhere all over the world, contrary to the God's commandments prescribed by all the heavenly religions.
So if you see such incident, you surprise; see what is there in your community.
The moral decline in the West is very tremendous:

E.g. I saw a movie:
The boy is in love with the daughter of the neibour; he went and nocked their door: the mother opened the door; he asked about his girlfriend (not his wife or his fiancee); the mother welcomed him and invited him to go inside the house and wait
for her daughter; she asked him: what do you like to drink? He said: Beer!! After a while the mother lied with the boyfriend of her daughter, when the daughter arrived crying .. mom! So the mother came down from the bed arranging her dress and hair and smiling. I think: this may be disgusted by cats even.

Another film of a true story: a white girl went to her African friend: ordinary not sexual friend; she found her pregnant; she asked her who is the father of the baby? The African American girl could not answer, but she crying and weeping pointed to her father.

And so on of the decay and fall of the Western community and you come astonished of some homosexual act: which is rejected by the public; while the homosexuality has become legal in America and Europe.

While Tel Aviv is known to be the worst in moral decline concerning the prostitution and homosexuality.



This is obviously the act of a serious enemy: not of Muslims; because what is the benefit from killing people in the street or in the market place?

So obviously, the destruction that occurred in Iraq, Syria and the rest of Arab and Muslim countries; it is the design of Zionists, who kill without paying attention, but kill with joy and delight; because they are the true enemy of the Arab and Muslim nation; but anyhow, it is a debt that will be repaid in full.

Till now they killed millions of the Iraqi, Syrians, Palestinians and other Arab and Muslim.
In addition to the outstanding destruction, and driving other millions out of their homes.


What garbage you spew! First of all, the examples you give - how is that related to Christianity? Where does religion come into it? Did the boy or the neighbour or the "white" girl and her "African friend" indicate in ANY WAY that they were Christians? No!


Muslims themselves are responsible for killing more of their own than ANY ONE race or religion. Do you not understand that? Who exactly is bombing markets, killing fellow Muslims? Its not the Jews and its not the Christians - its the so-called Islamists who state they are Muslims, that's who!


The "West" as you put it, is certainly not "pure" - our morals have declined, I'll give you that. Christianity certainly has not been perfect, but mankind itself is not perfect. For the most part though, Christianity has evolved.


The Islamists religion has made the Muslim religion morally corrupt because they haven't evolved. They are filled with hate and misogyny. As with both Christians and Muslims, its the radical few who make problems for the majority which is truly unfortunate, but even the most hateful Christians don't usually go around killing people because they don't believe in the same way. Can't say that for the so-called Islamists/Muslims. Christians as a rule now-a-days, don't kill their own but you certainly can't say that for the Islamists who consider themselves Muslims. They are true Evil.


JMHO

This proves what I have said is true.

Moreover, I remind you that Zionists came to Palestine not according to God's command.
God commanded them in the past, when Moses was their leader, to conquer Jericho whose people were idolaters, and they rebelled and refused the command of God; so they were punished by bewildering for forty years.
While now they came, while God has not commanded them, and killed the Palestinians who do not worship the idols, but they worship God Almighty.

Therefore, the prophecy will be fulfilled sooner or later.
And they have one possibility to be saved: it is only to convert now and become Muslims.
صفحة جديدة 1

The prophecy will be fulfilled; but let no one surprise, because in spite of Pharaoh was cruel and powerful, and started to kill the newly born boys of the Children of Israel, but he took Moses to his palace and grew him to be his destruction; so God's will cannot be overcome.



Silly, silly man! What you quote here is centuries old - like over 2,000 years! Again, Christianity has evolved since then. Can't say that for you because you're still killing women, old men and babies - today - now - not 2000 years ago!


Silly man!
 

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The moral corruption is prevalent all over the world; although it is forbidden by God in all the heavenly religions and in all the heavenly revealed books: including the Torah (included in the Old Testament) and including the Quran.

This is the interpretation of the Quran according to Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly:

4: 15. Such of your women [: wives] as commit adultery, call [O judges] to witness against them four of you [Muslims];
and if these [witnesses] do witness a, then detain them in the houses [of women-jails, for seven days and nights, without food and drink] until [after elapsing of this period] death overtakes them or God appoints for them some [other] way [: to be released – if still living – after elapsing of the stated period.] b
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a Or she admits, with her own words, that she committed adultery.
b So if the married woman commits adultery, and that is confirmed by four witnesses or she admits it; then before anything else, her husband should divorce her and she should not receive any part of the dowry whether it be the "dowry in advance" or the "postponed dowry"; then she should be imprisoned in a house special for this purpose, and her imprisonment should last for continuous seven days and seven nights during which she should not be given neither food nor water, in order that she may die from starvation and thirst; then when the seven days and nights pass, the door of the house is to be opened; so that if she is found dead, then she will have died with her guilt, but if she is found still living, she will be released; but she will not return to her first husband because she will have been defiled.

And if she repeats the adultery, then her punishment is the execution by pelting with the stone.
The indication that her imprisonment should be for seven days is the Arabic word أَوْ in the aya, which means: (or God appoints for them some [other] way); so, if we calculate it by the Jumal or the numerical value of the letters, the result will be seven.

The second indication is the story of Abu Lubaba when he betrayed and pointed to the Jews implying that their sentence will the slaying in case they agree about the decision of Sa'ad: so Abu Lubaba stayed for seven days and seven nights without eating and drinking until God turned towards Him.

However, the room, where the women, who commit adultery, are to be imprisoned, should be built inside the jail, and its building should be firm and strong: one room inside another, with no more than only one window for air ventilation; so that none can throw to her food or drink; and there should be guard assigned in charge of her.

Moreover, the judge should increase the punishment of the married adulterer, and decrease the punishment of the adulterer who is a bachelor and not married.

In addition, he should increase the punishment of the adulterer who commits adultery with a married woman who has a husband, and should decrease the punishment of the adulterer who commits adultery with an adulterous woman [: i.e. a prostitute.]

Anyhow, the statement of each one of these will be explained later on, by God's will.

About the masturbation (or the secret habit):

This is in the Quran interpretation by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly

4: 16. And those [of either sex] among you, [Muslims], who commit the [masturbation], hurt them [with rebuking and censuring words a]; so if they repent b and reform c, then leave them be d; surely, God is Most-Accepting [of the repentance], Most Merciful e.
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a In order that they may not repeat it again.
The "hurt" here means the hurt by words not by hand; [like the reviling, criticizing the religion and stirring people against you.]

While about the homosexual act (or the Sodomy): it is not mentioned in the Quran because the Arab in the pre-Islam ignorance period had not such act; but the statement for the homosexual act is mentioned in the Torah, Book of Levites, chapter twenty:
(" If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.)

While, in the Islam, their statement is up to the judge who may sentence them to either lashing or imprisonment, as appropriate to the age of either of them: whether he is young or old, married or not married.

While concerning the lesbian act: either of the female shall be lashed with ten lashes.
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b From this habit.
c Their acts.
d And don't hurt them anymore.
e To those who regret.

Nice tolerant religion you have there. The hate is strong in you.
 

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What garbage you spew! First of all, the examples you give - how is that related to Christianity? Where does religion come into it? Did the boy or the neighbour or the "white" girl and her "African friend" indicate in ANY WAY that they were Christians? No!
Meh, it's the tu quoque fallacy. It goes like this. . .

X: My people are morally superior!

Y: Your people kidnap and rape schoolgirls.

X: Yeah, well your people drink beer and have extramarital sex! Therefore, you're no better than we are!

The proper response is "Then how are your people morally superior?" Selfsame was trying to divert attention from the conduct of his co-religionists. And you fell for it.


The "West" as you put it, is certainly not "pure" - our morals have declined, I'll give you that.
True. The good old days of slavery, marital rape, and genocide are gone forever. Well, except in nice moral places like ISIS territory.

Christianity certainly has not been perfect, but mankind itself is not perfect. For the most part though, Christianity has evolved.


The Islamists religion has made the Muslim religion morally corrupt because they haven't evolved. They are filled with hate and misogyny. As with both Christians and Muslims, its the radical few who make problems for the majority which is truly unfortunate, but even the most hateful Christians don't usually go around killing people because they don't believe in the same way. Can't say that for the so-called Islamists/Muslims. Christians as a rule now-a-days, don't kill their own but you certainly can't say that for the Islamists who consider themselves Muslims. They are true Evil.


JMHO
So, it's OK to kill, as long as they're not "your own?"

Where did Jesus say that? Oh, here it is:

Matthew 5:39-48.