Mulcair takes huge lead over Harper in election poll on economy

Locutus

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I think some of the curmugeonette problem is characterized with the fact that Stephen Harper has been their Prime Minister since they reached voting age.

That must be kinda prickly and frustrating I imagine. :lol:
 

mentalfloss

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You think it's been bad with Harper, just wait and see what it's like if one of these other twits run the country (into the ground)

That's a load of hot air.

The guy has been a complete failure already when it comes to the economy, the environment and social issues.

You could hire a broomstick and get better results.
 

JLM

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That's a load of hot air.

The guy has been a complete failure already when it comes to the economy, the environment and social issues.

You could hire a broomstick and get better results.

What a lot of people don't seem to understand a Prime Minister doesn't have much to do with the economy or the environment and social issues are funded by the taxpayers! Like when employment is down the P.M. is just supposed to build another mill or factory!! :)

What exactly has Mulcair said he is going to do to fire up the economy? Where has he articulated these jobs will be located doing what and employing how many? Let's just get some exact answers from him (and Jr. too)
 

mentalfloss

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Lol

Are you one of these naive people that believes that a free market is a good thing?

Wake up.

We are in a recession without any controls and would be even worse had Harper succeeded in building a pipeline (lol) or negotiated free trade deals (double lol).

His incompetence is one of the few components that is couching us from a corporate, right wing nightmare.
 

Locutus

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This campaign is gonna draw out a lot of grievous citizens.

grievous I tell you.

grievous.

 

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Lol

Are you one of these naive people that believes that a free market is a good thing?

Wake up.

We are in a recession without any controls and would be even worse had Harper succeeded in building a pipeline (lol) or negotiated free trade deals (double lol).

His incompetence is one of the few components that is couching us from a corporate, right wing nightmare.



If the free market is such a bad thing, how is it that the middle class is the wealthiest its ever been in over 50 years? Trudeau keeps telling us that he's going to help the middle class - by doing what? We're doing just fine, thank you!


Mulclair says he's going to ensure that there are more jobs? How? By hiring more Public Service employees? By implementing more regulations? By increasing taxes on individuals and businesses? By interfering in how business operate?


Government can only do three things: Tax, Regulate and intervene and these don't always help the economy.


So, I too want to know how Trudeau and Mulclair can do better than Harper. Its easier said than done. The economy cannot - I repeat - cannot be controlled by government unless you want a communistic or socialistic approach. Neither one of these have succeeded in the past and won't succeed anytime in the future.


Our government cannot control the price of oil nor can it control how other countries operate. Canada is very fortunate in that we have a pretty good standard of living and freedoms to do as we want. Are there improvements that can be made? Definitely - we're a "work in process" and will be for many years to come. There is always room for improvement, but be careful what you wish for. Just sayin....


JMHO
 

mentalfloss

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You should pay more attention.

We never controlled oil prices.

But without government investment into a diverse portfolio of business and the signing free trade deals, you become more susceptible to changes in the market.

Our country is the perfect example of that right now.

To the point that we STILL might not balance the budget.


And for extra measure, if the 2008 economic crisis happened now, we would actually be less prepared because we've loosened up on regulations - and banking regulation is kinda what saved us.
 

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To the point that we STILL might not balance the budget.

What with all the forest fires across Western Canada costing many hundreds of million as well as floods and hurricanes doing $millions in damage, do you really expect many jurisdictions will balance their budgets? Just like with your family budget during times of sickness or other disasters, balancing the budget is secondary. There's always another year. The well being of the people come first.

If the free market is such a bad thing, how is it that the middle class is the wealthiest its ever been in over 50 years? Trudeau keeps telling us that he's going to help the middle class - by doing what? We're doing just fine, thank you!




JMHO

You got the picture right, Dixie- there's probably several ridings close to you that could use a sensible candidate!:)

You really have to wonder how some of the most prolific posters here can perpetuate such drivel!:)
 
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Mulcair is no Layton and the NDP will lose the Quebec seats to either the Liberals or the Bloc and the NDP will go back to third party status.
 

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Mulcair is no Layton and the NDP will lose the Quebec seats to either the Liberals or the Bloc and the NDP will go back to third party status.

Yeah, I'm guessing they will lose two or three seats in QC and would go back to third party status, IF Jr. wasn't Liberal's head honcho.
 

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That's a load of hot air.

The guy has been a complete failure already when it comes to the economy, the environment and social issues.

You could hire a broomstick and get better results.

I think it's evident to most people here that you just dislike Harper (I don't particularly like him myself) but to give the Devil his due he has done a fairly masterful job of running the country. I know he's appointed a few duds to the Senate, that might be the worst mistake he's made for which he is trying to atone.

I wouldn't say that I would NEVER vote for Mulcair, but if I did it would likely be on a Blue Moon that falls on a frosty Friday during a leap year. And when I did (and I urge other to do the same) I would ask him exactly how many jobs he is going to create, doing what, at what locations and the exact date these jobs will materialize. Then I would listen very carefully to what he says!
 

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Harper's management of the economy has been little less than disastrous. He is a pawn of the Global Trading and Financial Oligarchy. He and that dimwit Minister of Finance of his (for most of his tenure) Flaherty have mortgaged Canada's future to the inchoate lunacy of the Global Free Markets, especially those of currency and credit in Monetarism.

With Free Trade, it has gutted the Middle Class, and ravaged the Work Place, deindustrialized the nation and turned farming into a subsistence profession. Wealth has been radically polarized; taxation is evermore regressive and advantageous to the rich; markets are deregulated and sold out to the greed of pools of capital, rather the good the community as a whole. A new form of colonialism has been imposed, with unprocessed raw material being shipped offshore for processing, dismantling anything resembling a sovereign integrated industrial economy.

Canada's currency floats at the whim of Money Market Hedge Funds, whose only goal is creating havock on money bourses and holding nations hostage. The ransom is austerity and privitization, a euphemism for selling out public assets to international corporate fronts. It's currency will ultimately be usurped by international forms tender of like the Euro, under control of Supranational agencies like the IMF and World Bank, totally disenfranchising a national monetary and credit policy prerogative.

Look at Greece, that is Canada's future if it does not take hold of its own destiny, It's oil and its water will be up for sale. Canada's identity and sovereignty are now indistinguishable from that of American imperial power brokers.

With all that you'd hope there might be some saving grace in a sense of traditional and cultural social policies. But there is NONE of that. Harper couldn't care less. In league with the cult of Economic Liberalism, traditional conservativism is something that is payed lip service to lock up a voter demographic. But is, in reality, deeply antithetical to the libertarianism, anti-nationalism and government disassembly of the real Gobal 'Neoconservatism' Harper's government represents.

Harper lacks vision, passion, integrity, intellect, imagination and courage. I'm very uneasy about an NDP government, as they are so wrapped in New Age illogic and deconstruction (radical feminism, multiculturalism, homosexuality, environmentalism). But i'm wondering if Anything is better than the incompetent dolt and foreign quisling and petty ideologue we have in Harper.
 
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