American Psychological Association To Classify Belief in God As a Mental Illness

[petros]

An action taken BECAUSE of belief

It was personal, zero belief involved.

 

[Twila]

It was personal, zero belief involved.

they didn't have a belief in doing what they did?

 

[petros]

Belief in revenge? Revenge is tangible.

 

[SLM]

Precisely, except when you mock all those who have a belief with one singular brush, even those who do not impose their beliefs as a way of explaining away not providing rights to other people, those who do not demand respect or that anyone abide by their code of conduct, even those people are being broadsided by the mockery.

Do you not see this?

I think you’re overly sensitive to this. If that’s what you feel, that’s fine. But that’s what you choose to feel.

So then that's a no, you do not see it at all.

If I stated that I was a fan of the Green Party and I was mocked for believing in them, would you be saying what you’re saying now about people mocking that?

Again, we're talking about different things. Someone putting out an opinion is opening themselves to dissenting opinion. I'm talking about lumping in a bunch of people who have said nothing at all.

Where did I open the discussion with an insult?


The article was not my writing. It was satire as was pointed out. I neglected to post the link. Not intentionally, accidentally. I always post the link.

I know you didn't write it, and yes I know it's a satirical piece. Clearly by posting it I assume you found the notion that a belief in God could be equated with a mental illness as amusing. So all those people out there in the world, who've never imposed themselves upon you, are being ridiculed by you. You are, in essence, laughing at them.

If they believed in pink unicorns that farted glitter, what would you say about their mental state?

Well, we could make up all kinds of sh!t that they "might have believed in", but since we know that they held a belief in God, what do you have to say about their mental state? I happen to think they were remarkable individuals and I know that their beliefs played a large role in their lives. That makes me think perhaps there may be something to this belief stuff....even if I don't necessarily partake in it myself.

An action taken BECAUSE of belief.

An action taken because of a fringe ideology held by only a fraction of people. Or are you implying that all Muslims are terrorists? (the belief causes the behaviour)

 

[petros]

I'm implying it was about manipulation of people of Islam to support a personal grudge.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The part that perplexes me most about religion is that I've never seen a significant difference between those who believe and those who don't. Both groups (and all their subgroups) do great good, great evil, and mostly not much of anything remarkable. You would think that if the power of whatever gods they believe in was so great, you'd notice some difference in their behavior.

I might even accept such a difference as indirect evidence.

 

[petros]

All acts of man.

 

[SLM]

I'm implying it was about manipulation of people of Islam to support a personal grudge.

Kind of what fringe is all about, isn't it? Manipulation of people by a select few to support a personal ideology (grudge, etc)

The part that perplexes me most about religion is that I've never seen a significant difference between those who believe and those who don't. Both groups (and all their subgroups) do great good, great evil, and mostly not much of anything remarkable. You would think that if the power of whatever gods they believe in was so great, you'd notice some difference in their behavior.

I might even accept such a difference as indirect evidence.

Maybe having a belief just makes someone feel good. About themselves, about their life, the world around them. What is so wrong with that and why would they have any need to justify it to you or to anyone else for that matter?

 

[petros]

Yes. The grudge had nothing to do with religion the same way it was blamed for the attack. People on both sides are being manipulated.

 

[Twila]

So then that's a no, you do not see it at all.

Again, we're talking about different things. Someone putting out an opinion is opening themselves to dissenting opinion. I'm talking about lumping in a bunch of people who have said nothing at all.



I know you didn't write it, and yes I know it's a satirical piece. Clearly by posting it I assume you found the notion that a belief in God could be equated with a mental illness as amusing. So all those people out there in the world, who've never imposed themselves upon you, are being ridiculed by you. You are, in essence, laughing at them.

Well, we could make up all kinds of sh!t that they "might have believed in", but since we know that they held a belief in God, what do you have to say about their mental state? I happen to think they were remarkable individuals and I know that their beliefs played a large role in their lives. That makes me think perhaps there may be something to this belief stuff....even if I don't necessarily partake in it myself.

An action taken because of a fringe ideology held by only a fraction of people. Or are you implying that all Muslims are terrorists? (the belief causes the behaviour)

I posted the article to see who would say what. Unfortunately, I neglected to post the link. That’s it.
Continue to jump to all kinds of conclusions. Be offended, be annoyed. You are free to feel what you choose to feel.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Maybe having a belief just makes someone feel good. About themselves, about their life, the world around them. What is so wrong with that and why would they have any need to justify it to you or to anyone else for that matter?

Nothing in particular. People get attacked on this board all the time for things that could not possibly be the business of the attacker.

Me, I don't think religion matters at all. If you're a decent person, you'll be decent whether you think some god commands it, or whether you just think it's a good thing to do. Likewise, if you're a bigot, a killer, a child molester, you'll be those things whether some god is telling you to do it or you're doing it on your own.

In my life, I've had problems caused by people who claimed to be acting on a religious belief. As such, I'm leery of religious beliefs

And just as a general matter I'd try to stay well away from anybody who professes deep belief in something without the first shred of evidence of its existence. Believe me, I'd be at least as "hostile" if you want to call it hostility, to someone who claimed that there really is a magical land of Equestria ruled by the benevolent pony princesses Celestia and Luna as I am to someone who claims their big sky daddy is going to take them to Disneyland in the clouds forever and ever.

 

[petros]

Twila, remind me of your opening comment for this thread.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I posted the article to see who would say what. Unfortunately, I neglected to post the link. That’s it.
Continue to jump to all kinds of conclusions. Be offended, be annoyed. You are free to feel what you choose to feel.

God bless 'em.

 

[Nuggler]

American Psychological Association To Classify Belief in God As a Mental Illness

Bout time;-)

 

[petros]

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WTF is the National Sleep Foundation?

 

[JLM]

Well, if god has the power to allow the guy to kick booze, surely god has the power to cure the baby. So why doesn't god do that?

As far as "imperfections," I can only conclude you've never heard of the horrible conditions that condemn some babies to lives measured in months or weeks and filled with pain, and you are therefore ignorant, or you are choosing to characterize them as "imperfections," and are therefore dishonest.

Or possibly both.

You looking to me for answers? Well, maybe I can answer it partially. Some of the imperfections in babies were caused, by the mother's use of thalidomide. Was that God's fault? Some expectant mother's drank too much booze while pregnant. Is that God's fault? Man is guilty of a lot of stupidity. Is God supposed to trail along behind him and pick up the pieces and sweep away the damage?

 

[DaSleeper]

I should have done this yesterday, because even the atheist forums were saying it was a Joke....
Probably where twila got it:roll:
and there was only 2 pages of references now there are hundreds
Let me google that for you
and further more.....
Even snopes agrees with me...
Deity Disorder : snopes.com

So quit the Bullshît and own up to it ...You were just shît disturbing because you saw on the front page that you had a superior number of atheists at the time on the forum and you were trying to score brownie points...
I held my tongue yesterday because I thought you were adult enough to own up to it.

I was mistaken!

 

[grainfedpraiboy]

If you're a decent person, you'll be decent whether you think some god commands it, or whether you just think it's a good thing to do.

While your sentiment is nice you're actually wrong and here's why. In one of the many experiments they found that when you put a picture of eyes over the office coffee fund the contributions triple. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9424-big-brother-eyes-make-us-act-more-honestly

People are essentially dishonest, self serving and self absorbed and we are hard wired that way. Everyone will tell you they are not and most folks truly believe they are good people but human experiment after human experiment proves we will do just about everything from stealing candy from children to torturing strangers (McGill study in the 1950s trying to find out why there was so much cruelty during WWII by otherwise decent people).

One of the few decent defensive arguments in favour of religion I've seen is that the prospect of punishment in the hereafter restrains some people from behaving even worse than they do now.

 

[Twila]

I should have done this yesterday, because even the atheist forums were saying it was a Joke....
Probably where twila got it:roll:
and there was only 2 pages of references now there are hundreds
Let me google that for you
and further more.....
Even snopes agrees with me...
Deity Disorder : snopes.com

So quit the Bullshît and own up to it ...You were just shît disturbing because you saw on the front page that you had a superior number of atheists at the time on the forum and you were trying to score brownie points...
I held my tongue yesterday because I thought you were adult enough to own up to it.

I was mistaken!

LOL, I don't know why you think your opinion matters to me.

Maybe you can find this one on snopes too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...-fundamentalism-mental-illness_n_3365896.html

 

[DaSleeper]

I posted the article to see who would say what. Unfortunately, I neglected to post the link. That’s it.
Continue to jump to all kinds of conclusions. Be offended, be annoyed. You are free to feel what you choose to feel.

Because you knew it was from a Joke site...
If you had posted in the joke forum, then anyone missing that is a valid prey, but posting it without a link as news is not only devious...shameful