Gun Control is Completely Useless.

B00Mer

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LOL....No bluebyrd is neither the minority nor afraid or paranoid. Sure hope you asked permission to hunt in the country on someone else land........many so called hunters never used to.

Talking in the 3rd... a sign of a nut..

County Land and back swamps... I don't shoot on private land.. I don't target animals, I target a line of bottles, cans or an actual bull-eye target.
 

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since you insist on harping on that "1689 English Bill of Rights", don't hesitate to show just where those rights were enshrined in the Canadian constitution?

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I just did. Section 26. We are subjects of the Crown, and as such have a limited right "to keep arms for our defense".

Not that it matters. I suggest you read up on Canadian constitutional law, which includes documents back to the Magna Carta of 1215.

According to the Canadian Department of Justicer:

Although there is no single constitution in Canadian law, the Constitution Act – a part of the Canada Act of 1982 – finally “patriated” or brought home from Great Britain Canada’s constitution as created by the BNA Act. The Constitution Act declares the Constitution of Canada to be the supreme law of Canada and includes some 30 acts and orders that are part of it.

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/just/05.html

my emphasis
 

bluebyrd35

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Stupid heh? You're the one who brought it up...and furthermore if I don't need a license to have a car in my yard, why should I need one to possess a firearm in my house?....... and you just now showed what an old biddy you really are...
Because you take that fricking gun off your own property!! How do I know you would on a whim, like one of my deceased neighbors, shoot across the road at children and a dog on their own property. Oh he died while swimming in the ocean. Should we drain it before you get there???

By the way, I may seem old by your standards, but then I lived, travelled and experienced more than you ever will and am still doing so.....all without owning a gun. I have faced down more than my fair share of nutballs without one..... so I am perfectly content with Canada's gun laws. So go suck a lemon and get over this fetish with guns. Anyone would think they were a sex object the way some talk here.

I just did. Section 26. We are subjects of the Crown, and as such have a limited right "to keep arms for our defense".

Not that it matters. I suggest you read up on Canadian constitutional law, which includes documents back to the Magna Carta of 1215.

According to the Canadian Department of Justicer:



The Canadian Constitution

my emphasis
And the KEY WORDS ARE.......a limited right like those granted by an elected government, who may at the whim of the electorate, change those rights whenever they choose to. Live with it!!

By the way, it is no longer at the discretion of the crown. The crown has absolutely no say in how the Canadian government rules and hasn't for some time.

The Canadian Constitution

I just did. Section 26. We are subjects of the Crown, and as such have a limited right "to keep arms for our defense".

Not that it matters. I suggest you read up on Canadian constitutional law, which includes documents back to the Magna Carta of 1215.

According to the Canadian Department of Justicer:



The Canadian Constitution

my emphasis

I have not only read it, I have lived it. Why do you assume that Canada being an independent, Democratic government cannot change any law, that is more in keeping with how Canadians as a whole wish to live?? It is our country, we elect our representatives who we feel will mold a country the majority of us wish to live in. It is not a country where a minority who want to reinstate the death penalty, allow freedom to use weapons they want set in stone,, or adopt laws that could never have envisioned before the society as we now live in. There are laws regulating air-space for planes,for satellite reception by telephone companies and television stations. Our constitution is flexible instrument that is NOT set in stone. It is unique in the world and the envy of many societies.
 
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DaSleeper

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Because you take that fricking gun off your own property!! How do I know you would on a whim, like one of my deceased neighbors, shoot across the road at children and a dog on their own property. Oh he died while swimming in the ocean. Should we drain it before you get there???

By the way, I may seem old by your standards, but then I lived, travelled and experienced more than you ever will and am still doing so.....all without owning a gun. I have faced down more than my fair share of nutballs without one..... so I am perfectly content with Canada's gun laws. So go suck a lemon and get over this fetish with guns. Anyone would think they were a sex object the way some talk here..
Lady....It seems like your imagination knows no bounds, and you only have second hand knowledge of guns...I have owned guns since i was nine or ten and hand guns since I was 21 and never harmed anyone with one, and never fired a shot at anything I wasn't aiming at. I had a wilderness protected carry license for restricted weapons for 15 years and you don't get one of those by being nutty or foolish. You get examined and tested by a police instructor and get re-certified by the local OPP chief every couple of years....and I even showed a few thing to some of the local officer who knew less about firearms than some of the members of the local shooting club...I'm not the best marksman but I could beat most of them at target shooting and the best shot they had, I manage to beat once in competition .22 rim, fire but he got a better score in center fire...I also loaded my own ammunition for thirty years.
So don't come and tell me you know about guns because your father and uncle were hunters and try to push your armchair expertise on us...I don't care if you've been around the world a dozen times...you don't know D*ck about me or about guns and it's useless arguing with you because you're so narrow minded
So go ahead and rant and rave and go to sleep and dream about some unknown boogie man that's only in your mind..........
 

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I just did. Section 26. We are subjects of the Crown, and as such have a limited right "to keep arms for our defense".

of course, what you're parroting is stated a brazillion times over by gunners and gunner advocacy sites... yet that 1993 Supreme Court of Canada ruling still stands. Now a gunner who was charged with several weapons offenses after police found more than 200 firearms and 20,000 rounds of ammunition in his home, did try your exact same line of argument and failed all the way through the Ontario courts... all the way to the Ontario Court of Appeal. And... the Supreme Court of Canada refused that gunner his final appeal by refusing to hear his final appeal request. Surely Colpy, surely gunners must have the resources to challenge the Supreme Court... what are you waiting for? Are you waiting for Harpo to take it on? :mrgreen:

in any case Colpy, for what it's (also) worth, I'll simply quote from one of your own posts... Colpy! First Nations peoples - oh my!
And even though the British Bill of Rights declared a guarantee of arms to men "for their defence suitable to their condition," the federal government declared that right invalid in 1885, because it deemed aboriginal peoples incapable of full citizenship and didn't want to afford them such a right.
just for comic relief Colpy... and only because it parallels that "U.S. 2nd amendment militia nonsense" you just can't seem to get enough of: just what does that 1689 phrase "for their defence suitable to their condition" actually mean? Just what is your condition and what are you presuming to defend it against? :mrgreen:
 

bluebyrd35

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Lady....It seems like your imagination knows no bounds, and you only have second hand knowledge of guns...I have owned guns since i was nine or ten and hand guns since I was 21 and never harmed anyone with one, and never fired a shot at anything I wasn't aiming at. I had a wilderness protected carry license for restricted weapons for 15 years and you don't get one of those by being nutty or foolish. You get examined and tested by a police instructor and get re-certified by the local OPP chief every couple of years....and I even showed a few thing to some of the local officer who knew less about firearms than some of the members of the local shooting club...I'm not the best marksman but I could beat most of them at target shooting and the best shot they had, I manage to beat once in competition .22 rim, fire but he got a better score in center fire...I also loaded my own ammunition for thirty years.
So don't come and tell me you know about guns because your father and uncle were hunters and try to push your armchair expertise on us...I don't care if you've been around the world a dozen times...you don't know D*ck about me or about guns and it's useless arguing with you because you're so narrow minded
So go ahead and rant and rave and go to sleep and dream about some unknown boogie man that's only in your mind..........
Sooo, your stance is , since you are trained and follow the laws and presumably feel certain on continuing to do so, you feel Canadian laws don't work ....right!!

Do you advocate no gun control laws, more along the lines of the US. You are absolutely certain you want every nitwit you ever met, to have access to guns without knowledge on how to use, care for them?? Do you want those same guns available in corner stores as they are in those countries with no gun control laws? Do you really think we should adopt the freedom to sell guns at a gun or trade show, as is now happening in the US with no controls or records whatever??? Finally do you want those same nitwits roaming around your property??

Because I don't and the majority of both Canadians and Americans feel the same way.

Talking in the 3rd... a sign of a nut..

County Land and back swamps... I don't shoot on private land.. I don't target animals, I target a line of bottles, cans or an actual bull-eye target.
Not the sign of a nut, simply talking to one LOL. Anyway, I get told off for using MY experiences in my own words and now because I use the third person, as I would when writing a book, I am labeled a nut. If it makes you feel better being wrong so much to use personal attacks as deflection, go to it. It still doesn't miraculously make you right.
 
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DaSleeper

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Talking in the 3rd... a sign of a nut..

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Talking in the turd is a variation of the royal "we"
A sure sign of a condescending person full of her own importance.............

You know Boomer, during the hunting season, when everybody in the bush was armed to the teeth, was when I felt the safest in bush.
My hunting trailer, nor my truck were ever locked, because everyone was armed and every one knew that the owner of the trailer and truck was also armed, and could be just around the corner should they do anything....
Something I would never do in the summer season when firearms are not allowed in the bush,,, except for prospectors (which I was), but people who didn't know me wouldn't know that.
 
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bluebyrd35

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No it isn't, at least try to get your insults straight. The third person is not the "Royal we"

You date yourself.......soon you will be singing Bruce Springsteens' "Glory Days" Now tell me about having all the nitwits you ever knew armed to the teeth and how you would feel the same, in the bush even armed to the teeth. We await your answer.......NOW that was the Royal We. I include all those waiting with bated breath for your answer.
 

bluebyrd35

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Whatever you think I am, matters not.......you still cannot mount a decent reason why Canada's laws on gun control are not working. In my view they are and the statistics say they are. Sun, sand and ocean calling.
 

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Whatever you think I am, matters not.......you still cannot mount a decent reason why Canada's laws on gun control are not working. In my view they are and the statistics say they are. Sun, sand and ocean calling.

Where are these statistics? If Wendy Cukier had hard data, she would have used it by now.
 

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Robber puts knife to grandma’s throat, grandma puts gun in his face



On Monday, a would-be robber put a knife to the throat of a 74-year-old Fort Worth, Texas, grandma — and the grandma responded by pointing a gun at the robber’s face and telling him to “back off.”

The attempted robbery ended at that point.

According to NBC 5, Jewell Turner was sitting in her vehicle outside a doctor’s office when the someone tapped on her window, indicating he needed directions. She rolled down the window and said the man just small-talked and asked for directions, then pulled a knife and put it to her throat.

Turner said the man said, “I don’t want to hurt you, but I want your money. And I will hurt you if I have to.”

At that point Turner says she thought about reaching for her deceased husband’s knife — which was in the vehicle — but then remembered that she had her pistol with her. This is how she described the events that unfolded next: “I seen the gun laying there. And I figured that would work better than the knife. I just reached down, got the gun and turned around and pointed it to his face. And I told him, I said, ‘You back off, or I’ll blow your head off.'”

Turner said the man’s “eyes got big” and he backed away, then “took off walking down the street like nothing happened.”

Turner gave police a description of the attacker, whom she described as 25 years old at most with “pale skin and sandy blonde hair.” She said, “I just hope they find him before he hurts somebody, or somebody hurts him.”

source: Robber Puts Knife to Grandma's Throat, Grandma Puts Gun In His Face
 

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Robber puts knife to grandma’s throat, grandma puts gun in his face



On Monday, a would-be robber put a knife to the throat of a 74-year-old Fort Worth, Texas, grandma — and the grandma responded by pointing a gun at the robber’s face and telling him to “back off.”



Turner gave police a description of the attacker, whom she described as 25 years old at most with “pale skin and sandy blonde hair.” She said, “I just hope they find him before he hurts somebody, or somebody hurts him.”

source: Robber Puts Knife to Grandma's Throat, Grandma Puts Gun In His Face

I bet his skin was really f**king pale after that little revelation. :) :)
 

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I bet his skin was really f**king pale after that little revelation. :) :)
And a brown spot on the back on his pants

Robber puts knife to grandma’s throat, grandma puts gun in his face



On Monday, a would-be robber put a knife to the throat of a 74-year-old Fort Worth, Texas, grandma — and the grandma responded by pointing a gun at the robber’s face and telling him to “back off.”

The attempted robbery ended at that point.

According to NBC 5, Jewell Turner was sitting in her vehicle outside a doctor’s office when the someone tapped on her window, indicating he needed directions. She rolled down the window and said the man just small-talked and asked for directions, then pulled a knife and put it to her throat.

Turner said the man said, “I don’t want to hurt you, but I want your money. And I will hurt you if I have to.”

At that point Turner says she thought about reaching for her deceased husband’s knife — which was in the vehicle — but then remembered that she had her pistol with her. This is how she described the events that unfolded next: “I seen the gun laying there. And I figured that would work better than the knife. I just reached down, got the gun and turned around and pointed it to his face. And I told him, I said, ‘You back off, or I’ll blow your head off.'”

Turner said the man’s “eyes got big” and he backed away, then “took off walking down the street like nothing happened.”

Turner gave police a description of the attacker, whom she described as 25 years old at most with “pale skin and sandy blonde hair.” She said, “I just hope they find him before he hurts somebody, or somebody hurts him.”

source: Robber Puts Knife to Grandma's Throat, Grandma Puts Gun In His Face

Bluebyrd, what would you have done in this situation?