Is Measles a really big deal?

[darkbeaver]

Go ahead inject liquid kraft dinner into your babies, if you believe in the safty of industrial snake oil.

My daughter is a registered nurse and refuses to vaccinate her two children.

Interesting choice of pictures. You do know he's insane don't you?

 

[Cliffy]

Anybody notice that Ebola suddenly disappeared and measles just appeared out of nowhere to take its place? Measles is the new Ebola. How convenient for Big Pharma.

 

[Tonington]

Hmm, you seem to be confused at what the actual argument is being made.

No.. No reasons are valid besides being immunocompromised, and those people don't get measles if everyone around them is vaccinated.

I'm not confused, what you said is just wrong. They can get the measles from vaccinated people. Vaccinated people can get the measles. This statement of yours above is false, and it's brought up by people all the time who don't think vaccines are effective, or worth the risk. There is no such thing as a 100% effective vaccine. It doesn't have to be 100% effective to be valuable, clearly.

There is no need to say 'those people don't get measles if everyone around them is vaccinated.' It's false.

The unproven practice of mass vaccination is a difficult issue to deal with.

No it isn't.

On the one hand it promises escape from disease on the other it cannot be demonstrated that it has ever done so.

Besides the mountain of evidence from human vaccines...Check out animal health industries. Vaccines introduced, massive mortality events stop for those indications, antibiotic use goes down, industry becomes more productive. Clear evidence.

Google rinderpest.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Anybody notice that Ebola suddenly disappeared and measles just appeared out of nowhere to take its place? Measles is the new Ebola. How convenient for Big Pharma.

The first tool of the scientist is his tin foil hat.

 

[MHz]

Measles in my era was you got to stay at home when the bumps were there and in 1 season the whole school got the week off and then you were immune for life.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Measles in my era was you got to stay at home when the bumps were there and in 1 season the whole school got the week off and then you were immune for life.

Are you sure you were not talking about German Measles?

 

[Twila]

Go ahead inject liquid kraft dinner into your babies, if you believe in the safty of industrial snake oil.

My daughter is a registered nurse and refuses to vaccinate her two children.



Interesting choice of pictures. You do know he's insane don't you?

BC Nurses Union rep for many years was a smoking morbidly obese woman. Being a health care professional does not make you scientist and does not mean you know about science.

Stephen Hawking is insane? I'd put the meme there cause I thought the wording was funny.

 

[MHz]

Are you sure you were not talking about German Measles?

More like the slow spraed allowed the survivers to be anle to be the cure as well as being only carriers. Not to be crude about the complexity but it would be like meeting a few different people, some naturally immune and the infected and the ones that have the infection and the cure. Phage medice would never becom eineffective as long as bacterial and vuruses that the love/hate relationship they now have. That would mean swabs of a school would be taken and the culture growth would determine what was the right vaccine tot that particular school. In theory going across Canada there could be 10 different vaccines that would be best suited for a particular location. My time was a long time ago and I don't recall anybody not coming back from getting any virus.

Opposition to vaccines is pretty much nil so that is also not something I have to keep alive. My time kids and vaccines was 25 years ago and he's still alive, I'm moving on.

 

[JLM]

More like the slow spraed allowed the survivers to be anle to be the cure as well as being only carriers. Not to be crude about the complexity but it would be like meeting a few different people, some naturally immune and the infected and the ones that have the infection and the cure. Phage medice would never becom eineffective as long as bacterial and vuruses that the love/hate relationship they now have. That would mean swabs of a school would be taken and the culture growth would determine what was the right vaccine tot that particular school. In theory going across Canada there could be 10 different vaccines that would be best suited for a particular location. My time was a long time ago and I don't recall anybody not coming back from getting any virus.

Opposition to vaccines is pretty much nil so that is also not something I have to keep alive. My time kids and vaccines was 25 years ago and he's still alive, I'm moving on.

Can anyone else make heads or tails of what he's saying?

BC Nurses Union rep for many years was a smoking morbidly obese woman. Being a health care professional does not make you scientist and does not mean you know about science.

Stephen Hawking is insane? I'd put the meme there cause I thought the wording was funny.

You're not talking about dear, sweet, little Debra?

Are you sure you were not talking about German Measles?

What he says applies to both German and Red! You are a little sicker with Red.

 

[gore0bsessed]

 

[MHz]

Go ahead inject liquid kraft dinner into your babies, if you believe in the safty of industrial snake oil.

My daughter is a registered nurse and refuses to vaccinate her two children.



Interesting choice of pictures. You do know he's insane don't you?

Not until after his first vaccination, . . . damn, . . . that mic was still on.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/eviden...big-pharma-to-ignite-vaccine-hysteria/5429853

 

[darkbeaver]

BC Nurses Union rep for many years was a smoking morbidly obese woman. Being a health care professional does not make you scientist and does not mean you know about science.

Stephen Hawking is insane? I'd put the meme there cause I thought the wording was funny.

Being a scientist does not mean you are immune to the temptations of money and power. And yes medicine is a science. Don't be fooled by credentials either science does not require a license and anyone is free to practice the method. I use science every day, successfully, most of the time, way better track record than the idiot Hawkings.

 

[JLM]

There is no need to say 'those people don't get measles if everyone around them is vaccinated.' It's false.

But it is safe to say 'those people rarely get measles if everyone around them is vaccinated.'

 

[#juan]

Of all the child hood diseases, I think I suffered the worst with the chicken pox. It was like the worst case of flu in my life for several days until the pox appeared and I realized what it was.

I had Chicken Pox in my early teens....I think I had about four or five spots..... It wasn't a problem at all. A few years ago I developed Shingles and it was miserable. I hurt everywhere and it hung around for weeks.

 

[JLM]

I had Chicken Pox in my early teens....I think I had about four or five spots..... It wasn't a problem at all. A few years ago I developed Shingles and it was miserable. I hurt everywhere and it hung around for weeks.

I guess it affects different people differently. Shingles pretty well did my mother in, she got it when she was well into her 80 and was in agony with it for a year or so before her heart started acting up and she was dead in 6 months. There's a vaccine now for Shingles - the name begins with a "Z", but it cost me about $180, but I gladly paid it to prevent what my mother suffered. It's effectiveness isn't necessarily 100% but even in the worse case scenario you'll have a milder case.

 

[Mowich]

Health truthers have many bugaboos: wind turbines, vaccines, some environmental illnesses, perfume sensitivity, toxins, gluten, pesticides, fluoride, cellphone radiation …

Nearly two decades after measles was eliminated from Canada, Toronto has banned unvaccinated children from the schools in which a new exposure has occurred until the small outbreak is over.

The move, announced Friday, follows events that highlight the broad social influence of medical skeptics, denialists and conspiracists. Three of the first four Toronto measles cases, for example, were not vaccinated, despite clear medical advice nearly everyone should be.

From a major measles outbreak at Disneyland in California to the revelation Queen’s University has for years incorporated anti-vaccine misinformation in a health course, and from the rise of “pet anti-vaxxers” to “pox parties” and “flu flings,” in which diseases are deliberately spread to create immunity, the power of alternative views about infectious disease control is deeply established and resistant to mainstream criticism and scientific evidence.

It has even spread into the U.S. presidential campaign, where presumptive candidates this week struggled to strike a balance between evidence-based public health policy and personal liberty.

In the past, I think people had less information, there weren’t as many experts making pronouncements. They trusted the priest, they listened to the priest, then they prayed to God

All these cases show how decisions about health are rarely like scientific judgments. Rather, they can be esthetic choices, personal and subjective, based as much on intuition and emotion as reason and evidence.

In Canada, the vaccine controversy follows the outcry over the death of Makayla Sault, the First Nations’ girl who pursued alternative therapy for leukemia. This raised the question of how much society should defer to alternative views of health and well-being, and whether the answer is different in the Aboriginal context.

But health trutherism is broader than medicine. It spans many aspects of modern life, from grocery shopping to energy policy. Adherents have many bugaboos: wind turbines, vaccines, some environmental illnesses, perfume sensitivity, toxins, gluten, pesticides, fluoride, cellphone radiation …

These issues are connected by skepticism about mainstream science, usually for its links to industry. Often the underlying fear is of a departure from the natural or the pure, although this romantic vision glosses over its more destructive aspects, like killer viruses. Just as often, there is a resistance to changing one’s views even in the face of strong evidence or authoritative advice.

“Part of this is about how people navigate a complex, uncertain world,” says Herbert Northcott, interim chair of sociology at the University of Alberta. “In the past, I think people had less information, there weren’t as many experts making pronouncements. They trusted the priest, they listened to the priest, then they prayed to God. That’s how they managed risk.”

Health trutherism, then, “functions like religious faith used to function.” Like religion, it mixes fear and hope into a single motivation, and like religious faith, it is impervious to worldly arguments.

Prof. Northcott cites the “Thomas Theorem,” a principle of sociology that says whatever people believe to be real is real in its consequences.

But the spread of those beliefs also has real-life consequences, as the measles outbreaks show. A poll this week, for example, found one in five Canadians believes some vaccines cause autism, despite no proper evidence for this other than a fraudulent, retracted paper.

Hostility toward conventional medicine is a popular theme in just about every modern conspiracist movement — including Scientology, UFO groups, and 9/11 Truth.

Like religion, trutherism spans the political spectrum. The modern health truther is just as likely to be an anti-government libertarian opposed to fluoride in the water as a lefty vegan helicopter parent opposed to pesticides on crops.

“It’s mostly a class-based thing,” says Jacqueline Low, who studies the use of alternative therapies at the University of New Brunswick. These treatments “cost money, so it tends to be people who have the money to purchase them.”

“The common thing I’ve found was that they were solving health problems that they could not solve in any other way,” she says.

The problem is health truthers think differently from scientists and believe for different reasons.

One key difference is in the view of the placebo effect, Prof. Low says, which mainstream medicine regards as a “false effect” and a “sham.”

More:


Rise of the health truthers: Medical skeptics and conspiracists in search of certainty in a confusing world | National Post
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[tay]

Last year roughly 250,000 people came down with measles; more than half of them died.


Currently the Philippines is experiencing a major measles outbreak that sickened 57,000 people in 2014. China had twice that many cases, although they were more geographically spread out. Major outbreaks were also recorded in Angola, Brazil, Ethiopia, Indonesia and Vietnam.


Measles causes an intense fever, coughing, watery eyes and a signature full-body rash. The disease is rarely fatal in developed nations with modern health care systems but can cause brain damage and permanent hearing loss.


Once the virus starts spreading among kids who haven't been immunized, it's very difficult to stop.


"The measles virus is probably the most contagious infectious disease known to mankind," says Stephen Cochi, a senior adviser with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's global immunization division.


Cochi's team tracks flare-ups of measles around the world. He says the current outbreak in the Philippines was sparked by Typhoon Haiyan, which battered the island nation late in 2013, killing more than 6,000 and hampering vaccination efforts. Cases started to multiply first in the storm-ravaged parts of the country.


Some of the people who've caught measles in the current Southern California outbreak have the same strain of the virus that's circulating in the Philippines.


Cochi adds that someone infected with measles may be contagious for 24 to 48 hours before feeling sick. So a returning traveler could spread the disease and not even know it.


"The children under 5 are very vulnerable to measles," Robinson says. They're the primary target of vaccination campaigns. "It takes just a few days to get them vaccinated but it also takes a very short time for the virus to kill them."


Prior to the widespread use of measles vaccines in the 1980s, there were more than 4 million cases around the globe every year. That number has been cut significantly to roughly a quarter of a million. But measles is still out there, and as Cochi at the CDC points out, the virus is just a plane ride away from the United States.




Measles Is A Killer: It Took 145,000 Lives Worldwide Last Year : Goats and Soda : NPR

 

[gore0bsessed]

Measles confirmed in 6th patient in Toronto - Toronto - CBC News

"When we look at this outbreak we're having right now now, we're not seeing a failure of the vaccine. We're seeing … people who have declined the vaccination getting sick because the bug is in the community," he said.

 

[MHz]

Really? They should proof read their own **** before publishing it.

""The measles virus is probably the most contagious infectious disease known to mankind," says Stephen Cochi, a senior adviser with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's global immunization division."

"The number of measles cases from the outbreak linked to Disneyland has now risen to at least 98. But measles remains extremely rare in the United States."

Compare that to.
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

 

[gerryh]

Really? They should proof read their own **** before publishing it.

Pot, meet kettle.