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Motar

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While very little in this "culture" makes any sense. The operating system that drives this culture is full of glitches.

Agree, Cliffy. In Bible text, "the world" is synonymous with the prevailing culture.

The world is portrayed as anti-Christ:
"He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. " (John 1:10 NIV)

The world is ascribed a distinct anti-Christian philosophy:
"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8 NIV)

Does my faith seem to be faltering? Does gerr and cliffy and dex have faith in God, no they don't so why preach to the saved rather than to them.

The premise of this discussion thread is "Christian is as Christian does", MHz. One need only compare the attitude/actions of Jesus Christ to one's own to determine whether or not one's conduct supports one's confession.

Keep in mind that the present hour is a cake-walk compared to the "hour of trial" that is to come. If we cannot conduct ourselves like Christ in the relative calm, comfort and convenience of now, how will we successfully live our faith when true tribulation arrives?

"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth." (Revelation 3:10 NIV)
 
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darkbeaver

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I wondered how long it would take for the long endless Bible
Quotes and I was not disappointed. Nobody reads the endless
stuff puked out over the pages. Man can do just fine and the
Christ thing is out of date, I think we need a modern God that
has relevant lingo and dresses like westerners He might in
fact work down at the mill and go hunting or playing golf and
have a few drinks on Friday night. Can't be up too late on
Saturday night cause Sunday morning people start yelling
prayers at him.

Well the first old rule was not to cast pearls before swine. This is exactly the rule broken by the meat worshipping christians, we ended up where we are religiously today by what is now known as market development and expansion. The swine became that expanded market. The collection plates were already cast in anticipation of the huge returns. These second line not so early church fathers knew the value of the dead hero type. Any modren candidate for for your new god would no doubt be crucified right off the bat.
 

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Paul has authority, your Greek reference has only an opinion...

The Greek author Menander would be familiar to the Corinthians< MHz. This writer was known for his fondness for brief moral maxims. "Bad company corrupts good character" was one such Menander adage. It was likely included in Paul's writings as a means of connecting through culture with his Greek audience.

Modern missionaries employ this same cultural communication today:

"In 1962, Don and his wife Carol moved to West Papua, Indonesia. With their 6-month-old son Steve in their arms, the Richardsons approached the Sawi tribe, not realizing that the very act of carrying their infant was a sign of peace to the 400 Sawi waiting to greet them.
As the Richardsons began to explain Jesus' story to the tribe, they realized that the Sawi were interpreting Jesus' betrayer Judas as the hero of the story. It turned out the Sawi idealized treachery. Sometimes they would even befriend a member of another village for the sole purpose of later betraying him to the death and having a cannibalistic feast.
In time, battles broke out between various villages over who got to be close to the Richardsons. When Don told them they needed to make peace or they would leave, a man brought his baby son to another tribe. The Richardsons were told that in the Sawi community, when one village wanted to make peace, they presented one of their children to another village. For as long as that "peace child" lived, there would be peace between the enemies.
After working hard to explain the Good News, Carol Richardson finally realized that this "peace child" act was a metaphor for the Gospel. A father would give his son to the enemy to restore peace and bring reconciliation."
https://www.mnnonline.org/news/fifty-years-later-peace-child-tribe-still-following-christ/

There's that universal and eternal Christ again, DB.
 

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The Greek author Menander would be familiar to the Corinthians< MHz. This writer was known for his fondness for brief moral maxims. "Bad company corrupts good character" was one such Menander adage. It was likely included in Paul's writings as a means of connecting through culture with his Greek audience.
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Considering the Hebrew OT and the Greek NT are already perfect documents trying to improve on that via adlibs is just being foolish and only something a person who is full of self vanity would do. In his case they were a byproduct of being a comedy writer, not thye best credentials for being a better theologian that a writer of Scripture. Ashleigh Brilliant also has many quotes, he still isn't a qualified spiritual guide.

Menander Quotes - BrainyQuote

Ashleigh Brilliant Quotes (Author of I May Not Be Totally Perfect, but Parts of Me Are Excellent)
 

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The Greek author Menander would be familiar to the Corinthians< MHz. This writer was known for his fondness for brief moral maxims. "Bad company corrupts good character" was one such Menander adage. It was likely included in Paul's writings as a means of connecting through culture with his Greek audience.

Modern missionaries employ this same cultural communication today:

"In 1962, Don and his wife Carol moved to West Papua, Indonesia. With their 6-month-old son Steve in their arms, the Richardsons approached the Sawi tribe, not realizing that the very act of carrying their infant was a sign of peace to the 400 Sawi waiting to greet them.
As the Richardsons began to explain Jesus' story to the tribe, they realized that the Sawi were interpreting Jesus' betrayer Judas as the hero of the story. It turned out the Sawi idealized treachery. Sometimes they would even befriend a member of another village for the sole purpose of later betraying him to the death and having a cannibalistic feast.
In time, battles broke out between various villages over who got to be close to the Richardsons. When Don told them they needed to make peace or they would leave, a man brought his baby son to another tribe. The Richardsons were told that in the Sawi community, when one village wanted to make peace, they presented one of their children to another village. For as long as that "peace child" lived, there would be peace between the enemies.
After working hard to explain the Good News, Carol Richardson finally realized that this "peace child" act was a metaphor for the Gospel. A father would give his son to the enemy to restore peace and bring reconciliation."
https://www.mnnonline.org/news/fifty-years-later-peace-child-tribe-still-following-christ/

There's that universal and eternal Christ again, DB.
The thing is, Judas was the hero in that story. Without his actions, Jesus would never have died for your sins. Judas was a central character in the drama that all of Christianity is based on. Without him, Christianity would not exist.
 

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The premise of this discussion thread is "Christian is as Christian does", MHz. One need only compare the attitude/actions of Jesus Christ to one's own to determine whether or not one's conduct supports one's confession.

Keep in mind that the present hour is a cake-walk compared to the "hour of trial" that is to come. If we cannot conduct ourselves like Christ in the relative calm, comfort and convenience of now, how will we successfully live our faith when true tribulation arrives?

"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth." (Revelation 3:10 NIV)
By asking for help as directed.

De:4:27-31:
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations,
and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen,
whither the LORD shall lead you.
And there ye shall serve gods,
the work of men's hands,
wood and stone,
which neither see,
nor hear,
nor eat,
nor smell.
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God,
thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
When thou art in tribulation,
and all these things are come upon thee,
even in the latter days,
if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
(For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;)
he will not forsake thee,
neither destroy thee,
nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Christians and all other people on the planet will be around for the 3 woes. It is only the 3rd one that believers are exempt from as that is the 7th trump and that brings on the 7 vials of Re:16. Repented people will be experiencing Re:10 instead was the earth gets sifted. 2/3 are sinners and they die on the day the 3rd woe comes, believers are survivers.

Re:8:13:
And the fourth angel sounded,
and the third part of the sun was smitten,
and the third part of the moon,
and the third part of the stars;
so as the third part of them was darkened,
and the day shone not for a third part of it,
and the night likewise.
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
saying with a loud voice,
Woe,
woe,
woe,
to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!

Re:11:15:
And the seventh angel sounded;
and there were great voices in heaven,
saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,
and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Zec:13:8-9:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.

The thing is, Judas was the hero in that story. Without his actions, Jesus would never have died for your sins. Judas was a central character in the drama that all of Christianity is based on. Without him, Christianity would not exist.
Judas was possessed by Satan when he kissed Jesus in the garden, when that ended the grief caused him to commit suicide. Propecy determined one person would fulfill that, it is one of many, many, many prophecies fulfilled by Jesus. That act was pivotal to this verse happening and it was the Temple staff that were the ones that God caused to be the killers of His son, just like they were the killers ot OT Prophets and Prophet Stephen in the NT.
I hope other areas of your life aren't as twisted as tour bible thinking is.

Zec:13:7:
Awake,
O sword,
against my shepherd,
and against the man that is my fellow,
saith the LORD of hosts:
smite the shepherd,
and the sheep shall be scattered:
and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
 

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The Greek author Menander would be familiar to the Corinthians< MHz. This writer was known for his fondness for brief moral maxims. "Bad company corrupts good character" was one such Menander adage. It was likely included in Paul's writings as a means of connecting through culture with his Greek audience.

Modern missionaries employ this same cultural communication today:

"In 1962, Don and his wife Carol moved to West Papua, Indonesia. With their 6-month-old son Steve in their arms, the Richardsons approached the Sawi tribe, not realizing that the very act of carrying their infant was a sign of peace to the 400 Sawi waiting to greet them.
As the Richardsons began to explain Jesus' story to the tribe, they realized that the Sawi were interpreting Jesus' betrayer Judas as the hero of the story. It turned out the Sawi idealized treachery. Sometimes they would even befriend a member of another village for the sole purpose of later betraying him to the death and having a cannibalistic feast.
In time, battles broke out between various villages over who got to be close to the Richardsons. When Don told them they needed to make peace or they would leave, a man brought his baby son to another tribe. The Richardsons were told that in the Sawi community, when one village wanted to make peace, they presented one of their children to another village. For as long as that "peace child" lived, there would be peace between the enemies.
After working hard to explain the Good News, Carol Richardson finally realized that this "peace child" act was a metaphor for the Gospel. A father would give his son to the enemy to restore peace and bring reconciliation."
https://www.mnnonline.org/news/fifty-years-later-peace-child-tribe-still-following-christ/

There's that universal and eternal Christ again, DB.

There was once upon a time power on this earth that we can not today credit even though their works stick up through the ages of dust all arround this planet. During the conquest of central and south America there were several troubling reports of the Black Robed agents of the church lamenting the native familiarity with the gospel myths.
 

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Considering the Hebrew OT and the Greek NT are already perfect documents trying to improve on that via adlibs is just being foolish and only something a person who is full of self vanity would do.

If the Spirit of God inspired Paul to include a Menanderism in the epistle to the Corinthians, MHz, who am I to mock/scoff and label the apostle foolish and/or vain for having done so?

The record of Paul's evangelism/suffering for Christ speaks for itself.

In his case they were a byproduct of being a comedy writer, not thye best credentials for being a better theologian that a writer of Scripture.

If the LORD can communicate with a man through a donkey (Numbers 22; 2 Peter 2:15-16 NIV), I am confident that an axiom attributed by some to a Greek comedy playwright can be employed by the Spirit of God to reach a receptive Greek audience.

During the conquest of central and south America there were several troubling reports of the Black Robed agents of the church lamenting the native familiarity with the gospel myths.

It would be interesting to read one of these reports, DB. I don't find them to be troubling though:

"Teacher,' said John, 'we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.' 'Do not stop him,' Jesus said. 'For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us." (Mark 9: 38-40 NIV)
 
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"Do not be misled: 'Bad company corrupts good character." (1 Corinthians 15:33 NIV)

While I agree with the Christian apostle Paul and the Greek poet Menander that frequenting godless fellowship can debase one's behavior and therefore reputation, MHz, I emphatically disagree with the notion that Christian redemption can be lost.

Conduct does matter to Christ, as it reflects the prevailing belief system in a person's life. If we are in Christ, we should resemble Him in thought, desire, word and deed.




I'd like to point out the company that Jesus sometimes kept. Obviously you, MHz and "Paul" forget that. Christ didn't avoid "sinners", he welcomed them.


Christ was inclusive. Paul was exclusive. Christ was forgiving, Paul was condemning.
 

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I'd like to point out the company that Jesus sometimes kept.

Agree, Gerry. As recorded in the gospels, Jesus intentionally interacted with all kinds of people without beIng yoked with them (2 Corinthians 6:14), a subtle but significant distinction. Accordingly, Jesus spent a significant amount of time in exclusive fellowship with the Father before and after these intentional encounters.
 

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Agree, Gerry. As recorded in the gospels, Jesus intentionally interacted with all kinds of people without beIng yoked with them (2 Corinthians 6:14), a subtle but significant distinction. Accordingly, Jesus spent a significant amount of time in exclusive fellowship with the Father before and after these intentional encounters.
I like the way you twist stuff to suit your own dogma. That is the wonderful thing about the bible, you can interpret it to suit any foregone conclusion that suits your fancy. Sorry, but Paul was an idiot and he screwed up the whole message that Jesus brought to the Jews.
 

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I like the way you twist stuff to suit your own dogma. That is the wonderful thing about the bible, you can interpret it to suit any foregone conclusion that suits your fancy. Sorry, but Paul was an idiot and he screwed up the whole message that Jesus brought to the Jews.


Yes, on both counts.
 

Motar

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I like the way you twist stuff to suit your own dogma. That is the wonderful thing about the bible, you can interpret it to suit any foregone conclusion that suits your fancy. Sorry, but Paul was an idiot and he screwed up the whole message that Jesus brought to the Jews.

Jesus was sent to the Jews and Paul was sent to the Gentiles, Cliffy.
 

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If the Spirit of God inspired Paul to include a Menanderism in the epistle to the Corinthians, MHz, who am I to mock/scoff and label the apostle foolish and/or vain for having done so?

The record of Paul's evangelism/suffering for Christ speaks for itself.



If the LORD can communicate with a man through a donkey (Numbers 22; 2 Peter 2:15-16 NIV), I am confident that an axiom attributed by some to a Greek comedy playwright can be employed by the Spirit of God to reach a receptive Greek audience.



It would be interesting to read one of these reports, DB. I don't find them to be troubling though:

"Teacher,' said John, 'we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.' 'Do not stop him,' Jesus said. 'For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us." (Mark 9: 38-40 NIV)
I didn't mean to trouble you, anymore than you must be. god forbid
 

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No, Gerry.
But he did. Read what Jesus had to say and compare that with what Paul had to say and you get two different stories. But most Christians follow the nonsense Paul spewed and ignore Jesus teachings to a large degree, which is why I call your religion Paulianity. Nice double entendre, eh?
 

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But he did. Read what Jesus had to say and compare that with what Paul had to say and you get two different stories. But most Christians follow the nonsense Paul spewed and ignore Jesus teachings to a large degree, which is why I call your religion Paulianity. Nice double entendre, eh?

Jesus taught nothing, Jesus in the contemporary Christian configuration represents the anti christ and has for eighteen or so centuries.
His meatified presence in dustville ME in a dung filled stable heralded the era of matter over mind. God Forbid we're doomed