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How unfortunate that man has seen fit to bastardize the word of God. You speak of what the RCC has done, yet you are as bad if not worse with your bullshyte interpretations. I have said it before and I will say it again. You are a minion of Satan. Doing Satan's work. You are nothing more and deserve no more than what satan himself deserves.
Worthy doctrine becomes attractive to others through worthy deeds. Let our conduct therefore be convincing.
Don't blame the book for you two being in a spiritual desert, that is of your own making, rather the same bastardized RCC mad both of you what you are today, whiners who think you know all about God. You don't, lean to live with it and find something constructive to do with what is left of your life.
You can the the RCC Latin bible and wipe your *** with it, spread your bull**** to somebody who doesn't know better.
Jews in Jerusalem translated the OT into English for the 1611KJV so you and gerr both said Jews don't know how to translate their own language into English. Go ask a Rabbi how accurate the OT in the KJV is. Idiots like you two don't even outweigh this little bit from the preface.
Preface of the KJV . . . " If you ask what they had before them, truly it was the Hebrew text of the Old Testament, the Greek of the New. "
Who gives a fuk what you say, empty words mixed with the spittle of a ****tard. Not a real big threat to me minion. Bad, gerr, bad, just like your pious Church.
TRANSLATION OUT OF HEBREW AND GREEK INTO LATIN
There were also within a few hundred years after CHRIST, translations many into the Latin tongue: for this tongue also was very fit to convey the Law and the Gospel by, because in those times very many Countries of the West, yea of the South, East and North, spake or understood Latin, being made Provinces to the Romans. But now the Latin Translations were too many to be all good, for they were infinite (Latini Interprets nullo modo numerari possunt, saith S. Augustine.) [S. Augustin. de doctr. Christ. lib 2 cap II]. Again they were not out of the Hebrew fountain (we speak of the Latin Translations of the Old Testament) but out of the Greek stream, therefore the Greek being not altogether clear, the Latin derived from it must needs be muddy. This moved S. Jerome a most learned father, and the best linguist without controversy, of his age, or of any that went before him, to undertake the translating of the Old Testament, out of the very fountain with that evidence of great learning, judgment, industry, and faithfulness, that he had forever bound the Church unto him, in a debt of special remembrance and thankfulness.
THE UNWILLINGNESS OF OUR CHIEF ADVERSARIES, THAT THE SCRIPTURES SHOULD BE DIVULGED IN THE MOTHER TONGUE, ETC.
Now the Church of Rome would seem at the length to bear a motherly affection towards her children, and to allow them the Scriptures in their mother tongue: but indeed it is a gift, not deserving to be called a gift, an unprofitable gift: [Sophecles] they must first get a licence in writing before they may use them, and to get that, they must approve themselves to their Confessor, that is, to be such as are, if not frozen in the dregs, yet soured with the leaven of their superstition. Howbeit, it seemed too much to Clement the Eighth that there should be any Licence granted to have them in the vulgar tongue, and therefore he overruleth and frustrateth the grant of Pius the Fourth. [See the observation (set forth by Clemen. His authority) upon the 4. rule of Pius the 4. his making in the index, lib. prohib. pag. 15. ver. 5.] So much are they afraid of the light of the Scripture, (Lucifugae Scripturarum, as Tertulian speaketh) that they will not trust the people with it, no not as it is set forth by their own sworn men, no not with the Licence of their own Bishops and Inquisitors. Yea, so unwilling they are to communicate the Scriptures to the people's understanding in any sort, that they are not ashamed to confess, that we forced them to translate it into English against their wills. This seemeth to argue a bad cause, or a bad conscience, or both. Sure we are, that it is not he that hath good gold, that is afraid to bring it to the touchstone, but he that hath the counterfeit; [Tertul. de resur. carnis.] neither is it the true man that shunneth the light, but the malefactor, lest his deeds should be reproved [John 3:20]: neither is it the plaindealing Merchant that is unwilling to have the weights, or the meteyard brought in place, but he that useth deceit. But we will let them alone for this fault, and return to translation.
Christ gathers and heals sinners, hanging with sinners and false Christians would cost me my place salvation so it will never happen. The same fate would happen to you if you befriend an enemy og the Gospel when they are unwilling to change..
1Co:5:9-11:
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world,
or with the covetous,
or extortioners,
or with idolaters;
for then must ye needs go out of the world.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
2Th:3:5-15:
And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God,
and into the patient waiting for Christ.
Now we command you,
brethren,
in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,
that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly,
and not after the tradition which he received of us.
For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us:
for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought;
but wrought with labour and travail night and day,
that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
Not because we have not power,
but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
For even when we were with you,
this we commanded you,
that if any would not work,
neither should he eat.
For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly,
working not at all,
but are busybodies.
Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ,
that with quietness they work,
and eat their own bread.
But ye,
brethren,
be not weary in well doing.
And if any man obey not our word by this epistle,
note that man,
and have no company with him,
that he may be ashamed.
Yet count him not as an enemy,
but admonish him as a brother.
Baffling how you can make a post that proves I was right and you were wrong and appear to pretend that either it's the other way around or it doesn't matter. And just FYI, it was the Barons who forced the Magna Carta on the King, to protect themselves from him, had nothing to do with peasants possibly revolting.
lol, same old Dex, no wonder chatting with you always leads to the same thing, no place fast. How can I fuk up the reply so I never have to actually answer anything with a direct answer. You sure you are a head Rabbi cause the attitudes are exactly the same, as is the knowledge level about the whole Bible.
I can help if you like, I'll just put your posts in the 'how childish does it get' box. You could help gerr out by affirming the summation is flawed and they explain to gerr just how that is shown so he doesn't look like such a helpless tard so often, might be more on your intellectual level on the bible also. Don't have a clue but your version must be right ot that vanity badge was overpriced.
Here, I will go real slow just for you, define peasants according to the material already posted. Were the peasants protected by the document, yes or no.
I can help if you like, I'll just put your posts in the 'how childish does it get' box. You could help gerr out by affirming the summation is flawed and they explain to gerr just how that is shown so he doesn't look like such a helpless tard so often, might be more on your intellectual level on the bible also. Don't have a clue but your version must be right ot that vanity badge was overpriced.
Here, I will go real slow just for you, define peasants according to the material already posted. Were the peasants protected by the document, yes or no.
There is much I disagree with in both gerryh's and Cliffy's views of things, but they're in better shape than you are. Your problem is that you think the book is literally true in every detail. They know better, and with all the information resources available to you these days, so should you, that position is unsupportable. You have mistaken the myths and symbols for reality.
Not sure that, that is entirely true but you are on the right track. At best he's an annoying hyprocrite.
I think common sense tells you which parts are true!
You just can't have a conversation without resorting to sarcastic personal insult, can you. That's why our exchanges always end up in the same place, I just get tired of your bad manners after a while and stop. You really don't know how to have a reasoned conversation with someone who disagrees with you.
Peasants are correctly defined in the citation you gave from Camelot International, and in principle, yes the Magna Carta did offer some protection for them from arbitrary authority, but if you know anything about the history of that feudal society, you'll know it didn't really have much impact at the bottom end of the social scale. Who was there to enforce it but the barons with their 5000 armed men? There was no independent judicial system.
I wondered how long it would take for the long endless Bible
Quotes and I was not disappointed. Nobody reads the endless
stuff puked out over the pages. Man can do just fine and the
Christ thing is out of date, I think we need a modern God that
has relevant lingo and dresses like westerners He might in
fact work down at the mill and go hunting or playing golf and
have a few drinks on Friday night. Can't be up too late on
Saturday night cause Sunday morning people start yelling
prayers at him.
Quotes and I was not disappointed. Nobody reads the endless
stuff puked out over the pages. Man can do just fine and the
Christ thing is out of date, I think we need a modern God that
has relevant lingo and dresses like westerners He might in
fact work down at the mill and go hunting or playing golf and
have a few drinks on Friday night. Can't be up too late on
Saturday night cause Sunday morning people start yelling
prayers at him.
Way to brag about being a spiritual desert.
You suggest the path to understanding the Bible is to not read it at all but read what other think the Bible says. None of you three can cover any part of it and come up with something reasonable. Prove me wrong by doing a full explanation of Isaiah:65, or pick one of your own liking. You won't because you can't as the explanation will be seriously flawed and you know it. Until one of you can make me say, 'Oh, I was wrong.' then I have no reason to abandon my current view. The cross was a real event or it wasn't, if real the book is fully literal and none of it is 'mysterious' when taken that way. In the myth version a few words are covered yer the other 99 in some passage are given not explanation at all and you don't see that as being a 'troubled spot'.
Under your logic an explanation of a vision is another vision? I don't have one problem with understanding the vision when I read it thye 2nd time which would be after reading the explanation. If this selection below confuses you then you should try something a little less challenging because the explanation you latched onto is flawed.
Da:7:7-28:
After this I saw in the night visions,
and behold a fourth beast,
dreadful and terrible,
and strong exceedingly;
and it had great iron teeth:
it devoured and brake in pieces,
and stamped the residue with the feet of it:
and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it;
and it had ten horns.
I considered the horns,
and,
behold,
there came up among them another little horn,
before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots:
and,
behold,
in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man,
and a mouth speaking great things.
I beheld till the thrones were cast down,
and the Ancient of days did sit,
whose garment was white as snow,
and the hair of his head like the pure wool:
his throne was like the fiery flame,
and his wheels as burning fire.
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him:
thousand thousands ministered unto him,
and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him:
the judgment was set,
and the books were opened.
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake:
I beheld even till the beast was slain,
and his body destroyed,
and given to the burning flame.
As concerning the rest of the beasts,
they had their dominion taken away:
yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
I saw in the night visions,
and,
behold,
one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven,
and came to the Ancient of days,
and they brought him near before him.
And there was given him dominion,
and glory,
and a kingdom,
that all people,
nations,
and languages,
should serve him:
his dominion is an everlasting dominion,
which shall not pass away,
and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body,
and the visions of my head troubled me.
I came near unto one of them that stood by,
and asked him the truth of all this.
So he told me,
and made me know the interpretation of the things.
These great beasts,
which are four,
are four kings,
which shall arise out of the earth.
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom,
and possess the kingdom for ever,
even for ever and ever.
Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast,
which was diverse from all the others,
exceeding dreadful,
whose teeth were of iron,
and his nails of brass;
which devoured,
brake in pieces,
and stamped the residue with his feet;
And of the ten horns that were in his head,
and of the other which came up,
and before whom three fell;
even of that horn that had eyes,
and a mouth that spake very great things,
whose look was more stout than his fellows.
I beheld,
and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Thus he said,
The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,
which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,
and shall devour the whole earth,
and shall tread it down,
and break it in pieces.
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:
and another shall rise after them;
and he shall be diverse from the first,
and he shall subdue three kings.
And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change times and laws:
and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
But the judgment shall sit,
and they shall take away his dominion,
to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
And the kingdom and dominion,
and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,
whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Hitherto is the end of the matter.
As for me Daniel,
my cogitations much troubled me,
and my countenance changed in me:
but I kept the matter in my heart.
To show I'm not faking it the time, times, 1/2 time is referencing the 3 1/2 days the two witnesses are in the grave. Long explanation needed but why bother considering who this post is for.
Re:17:1-18:
And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials,
and talked with me,
saying unto me,
Come hither;
I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great ***** that sitteth upon many waters:
With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication,
and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness:
and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast,
full of names of blasphemy,
having seven heads and ten horns.
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour,
and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls,
having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
And upon her forehead was a name written,
MYSTERY,
BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints,
and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus:
and when I saw her,
I wondered with great admiration.
And the angel said unto me,
Wherefore didst thou marvel?
I will tell thee the mystery of the woman,
and of the beast that carrieth her,
which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
The beast that thou sawest was,
and is not;
and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit,
and go into perdition:
and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder,
whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world,
when they behold the beast that was,
and is not,
and yet is.
And here is the mind which hath wisdom.
The seven heads are seven mountains,
on which the woman sitteth.
And there are seven kings:
five are fallen,
and one is,
and the other is not yet come;
and when he cometh,
he must continue a short space.
And the beast that was,
and is not,
even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven,
and goeth into perdition.
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,
which have received no kingdom as yet;
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
These have one mind,
and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
These shall make war with the Lamb,
and the Lamb shall overcome them:
for he is Lord of lords,
and King of kings:
and they that are with him are called,
and chosen,
and faithful.
And he saith unto me,
The waters which thou sawest,
where the ***** sitteth,
are peoples,
and multitudes,
and nations,
and tongues.
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast,
these shall hate the *****,
and shall make her desolate and naked,
and shall eat her flesh,
and burn her with fire.
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will,
and to agree,
and give their kingdom unto the beast,
until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city,
which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
The kings:
1 Neb
2 Darius the Median
3 Cyrus the Persian
4 Greece, Alexander the Great for 2 weeks and then 1 General took over control of Jerusalem.
5 Debatable but it is the transition between Greece and Rome
6 Rome, Da:8 and the little horn that came from the north-west verses, the whole 500 year reign is included in those verses. The Temple was removed during their rule and the transition from Gentiles to the Iron/clay is when the 5th trump sounds
7 Satan as the one with the key to the Bottomless Pit in the 5th trump verses
8 Beast from the Pit returns as he was a king on earth before the flood and he is in control of Jerusalem when the 7th trump sounds and he is sent to the fiery lake
I read that much. You can save yourself some time next time as the passages and posts are not there for you and who gives a **** about your opinion in the first place.
Only a retarded troll would expect a 'Living Christ' thread to be void of any biblical references.
Is this the always super polite Dex speaking, it appears to be somewhat close to a kind of unwarranted and unsolicited insult really.
"You're never going to make a convincing case to people who actually know something when you just make stuff up."
That's the same **** you said last time and the time before that and the time before that so stop the avoidance things you do or grow some skin. Seriously, over the time I have asked you about 10 relatively complicated questions and that is you pat reply.
That is just what I was saying, the 'wage earners' and anybody below then were at the mercy of anybody above them, that should have been the whole conversation. Then you say I don't know what a peasant is and in this post you say my link was 'close eb=nough' that it fits. When have I ever claimed to follow the history of the Royals in England to the highest possible level. It was Colpy who clued me in that the document didn't cover all the lower classes but basically the business owners who made things for the royals like castles and war machines, pretty much the same tasks they do today.
Try ISIS, they are looking for members and they probably don't hear any Christan sermons on any day of the week.
Christian and saying gerr is headed for hell in a hand basket. It's true, God will pick up the perfected version at the other end when he knows what emotions are for. The flaws people have when entering hell are gone when they see God at the GWT.Not sure that, that is entirely true but you are on the right track. At best he's an annoying hyprocrite.
You don't really think God would love a bitter little pick like him or you or the usual suspects in their current condition do you? You lean charity by being in a position where you need somebody to give you some, it works for fallen angels also as they get to see inside New Jerusalem and outside the city into the New Earth for the duration of the New Earth.
Isa:65:5-15:
Which say,
Stand by thyself,
come not near to me;
for I am holier than thou.
These are a smoke in my nose,
a fire that burneth all the day.
Behold,
it is written before me:
I will not keep silence,
but will recompense,
even recompense into their bosom,
Your iniquities,
and the iniquities of your fathers together,
saith the LORD,
which have burned incense upon the mountains,
and blasphemed me upon the hills:
therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.
Thus saith the LORD,
As the new wine is found in the cluster,
and one saith,
Destroy it not;
for a blessing is in it:
so will I do for my servants' sakes,
that I may not destroy them all.
And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob,
and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains:
and mine elect shall inherit it,
and my servants shall dwell there.
And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks,
and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in,
for my people that have sought me.
But ye are they that forsake the LORD,
that forget my holy mountain,
that prepare a table for that troop,
and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
Therefore will I number you to the sword,
and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter:
because when I called,
ye did not answer;
when I spake,
ye did not hear;
but did evil before mine eyes,
and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD,
Behold,
my servants shall eat,
but ye shall be hungry:
behold,
my servants shall drink,
but ye shall be thirsty:
behold,
my servants shall rejoice,
but ye shall be ashamed:
Behold,
my servants shall sing for joy of heart,
but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart,
and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen:
for the Lord GOD shall slay thee,
and call his servants by another name:
For the record 'real slow' is one item per post. If you need a break take one, if this is too complicated take a break but spare me the 'it's your fault' ploy as it smells of deception.
Not sure that, that is entirely true but you are on the right track. At best he's an annoying hyprocrite.
I think common sense tells you which parts are true!
What is actually meant by common sense? I have recently begun to think the term "common sense" might not be that common at all or that whoever coined the term "common sense" was being condecending because what is common today is anything but sense, especially the good sort. So would we rather have common sense which permits us to step out of the driving rain, or would we be better served by "good sense"?
While very little in this "culture" makes any sense. The operating system that drives this culture is full of glitches.
Or is it that from our common perspective of this culture it would seem to be full of glitches whereas from the prespective of those who rule there is nothing at all amiss? How much of what we think of as common sense naturally derived and how much of common sense is cultivated among us commoners by those who rule and for their purposes. If good sense were all that common wouldn't the rule of our present social culture be damn near impossible? Common sense is the beginning of better sense and better sense is the beginning of better culture, maybe.
"Do not be misled: 'Bad company corrupts good character." (1 Corinthians 15:33 NIV)
While I agree with the Christian apostle Paul and the Greek poet Menander that frequenting godless fellowship can debase one's behavior and therefore reputation, MHz, I emphatically disagree with the notion that Christian redemption can be lost.
Conduct does matter to Christ, as it reflects the prevailing belief system in a person's life. If we are in Christ, we should resemble Him in thought, desire, word and deed.
Does my faith seem to be faltering? Does gerr and cliffy and dex have faith in God, no they don't so why preach to the saved rather than to them. The reason can only be thet would tell you to stop, so why start.
Paul has authority, your Greek reference has only an opinion, same as you and me and the odds are our opinion has more authority just by virtue of our ability to study the book more carefully. Here is a bit that tells us who will be part of the 1,000 years and who will make their appearance at the Great White Throne.
Care to do a long definition of what a 'busybody' is.
1Pe:4:12-18:
Beloved,
think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you,
as though some strange thing happened unto you:
But rejoice,
inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings;
that,
when his glory shall be revealed,
ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ,
happy are ye;
for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you:
on their part he is evil spoken of,
but on your part he is glorified.
But let none of you suffer as a murderer,
or as a thief,
or as an evildoer,
or as a busybody in other men's matters.
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian,
let him not be ashamed;
but let him glorify God on this behalf.
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
And if the righteous scarcely be saved,
where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Ro:13:5-9:
Wherefore ye must needs be subject,
not only for wrath,
but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also:
for they are God's ministers,
attending continually upon this very thing.
Render therefore to all their dues:
tribute to whom tribute is due;
custom to whom custom;
fear to whom fear;
honour to whom honour.
Owe no man any thing,
but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying,
namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
2Th:1:5-9:
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God,
that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God,
for which ye also suffer:
Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord,
and from the glory of his power;
You really should check the context before you try to slide a verse past me with a different meaning than the original. Evel communication is denying that Jesus died are rose from the grave. Nobody here supports that version as it make the Bible a book of literal events.
1Co:15:32-33:
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus,
what advantageth it me,
if the dead rise not?
let us eat and drink;
for to morrow we die.
Be not deceived:
evil communications corrupt good manners.
Awake to righteousness,
and sin not;
for some have not the knowledge of God:
I speak this to your shame.
1Co:15:12-19:
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead,
how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
But if there be no resurrection of the dead,
then is Christ not risen:
And if Christ be not risen,
then is our preaching vain,
and your faith is also vain.
Yea,
and we are found false witnesses of God;
because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ:
whom he raised not up,
if so be that the dead rise not.
For if the dead rise not,
then is not Christ raised:
And if Christ be not raised,
your faith is vain;
ye are yet in your sins.
Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
If in this life only we have hope in Christ,
we are of all men most miserable.
Paul has authority, your Greek reference has only an opinion, same as you and me and the odds are our opinion has more authority just by virtue of our ability to study the book more carefully. Here is a bit that tells us who will be part of the 1,000 years and who will make their appearance at the Great White Throne.
Care to do a long definition of what a 'busybody' is.
1Pe:4:12-18:
Beloved,
think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you,
as though some strange thing happened unto you:
But rejoice,
inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings;
that,
when his glory shall be revealed,
ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ,
happy are ye;
for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you:
on their part he is evil spoken of,
but on your part he is glorified.
But let none of you suffer as a murderer,
or as a thief,
or as an evildoer,
or as a busybody in other men's matters.
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian,
let him not be ashamed;
but let him glorify God on this behalf.
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
And if the righteous scarcely be saved,
where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Ro:13:5-9:
Wherefore ye must needs be subject,
not only for wrath,
but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also:
for they are God's ministers,
attending continually upon this very thing.
Render therefore to all their dues:
tribute to whom tribute is due;
custom to whom custom;
fear to whom fear;
honour to whom honour.
Owe no man any thing,
but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying,
namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
2Th:1:5-9:
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God,
that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God,
for which ye also suffer:
Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
And to you who are troubled rest with us,
when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord,
and from the glory of his power;
You really should check the context before you try to slide a verse past me with a different meaning than the original. Evel communication is denying that Jesus died are rose from the grave. Nobody here supports that version as it make the Bible a book of literal events.
1Co:15:32-33:
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus,
what advantageth it me,
if the dead rise not?
let us eat and drink;
for to morrow we die.
Be not deceived:
evil communications corrupt good manners.
Awake to righteousness,
and sin not;
for some have not the knowledge of God:
I speak this to your shame.
1Co:15:12-19:
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead,
how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
But if there be no resurrection of the dead,
then is Christ not risen:
And if Christ be not risen,
then is our preaching vain,
and your faith is also vain.
Yea,
and we are found false witnesses of God;
because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ:
whom he raised not up,
if so be that the dead rise not.
For if the dead rise not,
then is not Christ raised:
And if Christ be not raised,
your faith is vain;
ye are yet in your sins.
Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
If in this life only we have hope in Christ,
we are of all men most miserable.
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