that is a nice piece that almost anyone could identify in part with.
I love this piece:
Kid commits suicide after Gay Conversion Therapy
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I love this piece:
You won't find anyhing in Bible that supports a person needing that sort of change to be accepted any anybody so just what believers where you actually referencing? (and please supply something more authoritive that just your words as they seem to be quite leaky, a slam without being able to be held accountable, I'm here to make sure you weren't saying the Bible promotes something when it actually doesn't. What that bit of fact does it allow for a accurate understanding of what the rest is promoting after all hate speech cam be delivered in minute does. You whole knowledge base int fit that term.
perhaps...bear in mind though one may live in the land of denial the energy taken to live there is significant and truth still nudges even those beings who exist in the land of denial
That's an interesting statement...can you expand on that a bit...thanks
okay, I like the comparison but we need to also consider that Christian Scientists are a small group. I believe those who view transgender to be an insurmountable problem would be much higher. It's at the very edge of things yet.
I would say yes in most cases.
no argument from me here and for the most part it covers my disagreement above.
I'm pretty sure if you withhold lifesaving treatment you can face criminal charges. In this case given the age of the person and that being under 18, the parents, the hospital and any/all therapists should all be sitting at a defense table facing lengthy jail terms.
The medical community is no different than prisons, if all beds aren't full somebody is slacking off. If the cattle, sorry I mean patients put up with crappy medical practices and they end up getting experimented on and still say nothing then why would they expect things to get better on their own. Things go wrong on their own, it is a one way street.
I did, my reply was to your post and your use of the term 'believer'. You can't answer for them and they can't answer for you. You seem to have forgotten that you can answer for you and defection isn't always taken as being a reply by some people, like me obviously.
Perhaps you should read it a few times yourself, the professionals are also said to be 'Christian'. To show that you don't have a clue, that would be a Priest and they would use the Bible as a basis for finding comfort for somebody wanting clearance from God.
So, no such animal exists to begin with so whoever he say was putting on a show and if he got paid for his services then you can start there and go through all his files to see how his other parients are doing. Who ya going to sent, a Priest or the best on staff from 'the mentally unbalanced ward?
"Funny people these believer. Claim gawd doesn't make mistakes and then force their kid to suicide by trying to change what their gawd made for them."
So that would be his professional help so it would their advice that was the cause rather than the parents seeking help. I met several through marriage councelling and not one of them woulod ever use something from the Bible as a way to treat how a person's reaction when a button gets pushed. Button being a key-word or vision of an act that recreates an emotion based on past memories. The reaction may produce healthy or unhealty reaction, more often than not it is unhealthy 100% of the time. Just the initial reaction can be changed, it's called clean-out your closet of emotional junk so that your buttons are still there and they can still be pushed but your reaction eliminated all the past issues and your automatic reaction is based altering that the situation is the same but your ability to control the situation is changed to how you should handle it that fits what our society calls normal.
Sure, I don't doubt it does affect them, just don't think they allow themselves to be aware of it. I think some people are quite capable of lying to themselves for a long, long time. Maybe it's the only way they can live with themselves.
I just think some people are more self involved than others. That's self-involved, not selfish. Somewhat different things.
My ex was like that, he was very adept and in tune with seeing if things were fair, or more accurately I suppose if they were unfair, to him. But take himself out of the equation and the fairness or equity of other people didn't really seem to register much. I sort of see it as engaging the emotional side of themselves and not the logical/rational side. Empathy, true empathy, plays a role too.
Transgender may be at the very edge of things but depression is not.
No one single solution fits every single scenario, the world is too complex for that. But for the most part we can find a balance. Someone who may have strong religious convictions and doesn't believe in divorce can still become a lawyer, they just shouldn't be a divorce lawyer.
Since it usually costs more to get divorced than it does to get married and one is a Church and the other is a CourtHouse are 'they' trying to hide a connection that is more 'scam' that a 'social necessity'.
Using that kind of logic should I make my accountant somebody whose religious belief would make stealing my money something nthat would be morally unacceptable rather than one who is obeying criminal laws? (I hope it correct answer is, 'It wouldn't matter, you money would be equally safe with either.')
It was just a simple example of how someone can reconcile their profession with their personal beliefs. Nothing more.
We all make choices in who we deal with and we all have different criteria for the choices we make. Personally I don't care about the religion of my doctor, or the cultural background/ethnicity of my accountant. I want a doctor that's dedicated and an accountant that ethical. Again, just examples. Some people do make choices based on those kinds of criteria though.
Nothing is ever that simple with me, or is that some troll part I'm using. In a really expensive divorce I might want a lawyer who 'had an axe to grind' if they were on my side, settle early if they are on the other side.
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Here is a series of tragic events brought on by a classic case of ignorance.
First the parents with a need to satisfy their own belief system failed to
understand reality and the consequences of their actions. If it were different
they would have behaved differently. Here is another case of where the so
called professionals in the medical field the therapists put their religion ahead
of their listening skills. These people should be ashamed of themselves and
even more should have their license removed. The parents should be charged
with not looking out for the welfare of the child. None of this will happen because
they will all hide behind God and religion gets a pass in most cases when it
comes to the law.
The truth is coming out and the society and the legal system should be looking into
this and for once religion should be brought under the dominion of the law.
Before the anti Christian rants start, I am not speaking in terms of all churches are
evil and we should put an end to religion. I am saying when a child is at risk we
should stop praying and start listening. We should not have kids being subjected
to the well worn line "In this family we All Believe this or that"
There are so many cases where children at risk don't communicate they kill themselves
because their own parents won't listen because they have to do what God says.
Its time society in the west stopped behaving in a dogma state we condemn others for
living in. Enough already
First the parents with a need to satisfy their own belief system failed to
understand reality and the consequences of their actions. If it were different
they would have behaved differently. Here is another case of where the so
called professionals in the medical field the therapists put their religion ahead
of their listening skills. These people should be ashamed of themselves and
even more should have their license removed. The parents should be charged
with not looking out for the welfare of the child. None of this will happen because
they will all hide behind God and religion gets a pass in most cases when it
comes to the law.
The truth is coming out and the society and the legal system should be looking into
this and for once religion should be brought under the dominion of the law.
Before the anti Christian rants start, I am not speaking in terms of all churches are
evil and we should put an end to religion. I am saying when a child is at risk we
should stop praying and start listening. We should not have kids being subjected
to the well worn line "In this family we All Believe this or that"
There are so many cases where children at risk don't communicate they kill themselves
because their own parents won't listen because they have to do what God says.
Its time society in the west stopped behaving in a dogma state we condemn others for
living in. Enough already
true enough...the karma there is there is never balance or peace in their lives
that's an interesting way to live eh? everything purely from their perspective and their loss or win...otherwise it's easily dismissed or removed to a distance ...sometimes that seems the easier course in certain instances, no energy lost worrying about evening things out just take what you can and move forward
and this does come down to that yes, depression ...and it would appear that the counsellors did not identify the urgency of her state
or maybe they should ;-)
Much better, totally impressed with your ability to add new information to an already existing condition, no further testing needed. Perhaps the best solution is that all decisions that are life threatening will be done to save a child under the age of 18 without a legal signature being needed. A parent cannot sign for surgery that is not life threatening and in cases like this I would stamp 25 years as being the youngest that could apply, before that there are other steps that can help.
I'm also thinking that parents who show that much interest in their child's sexuality that they get 2x the counseling than the child and even more not joking their professional help should have all their active and past cases examined by 'a team'.
I'm also thinking that parents who show that much interest in their child's sexuality that they get 2x the counseling than the child and even more not joking their professional help should have all their active and past cases examined by 'a team'.
I have mixed feelings about someone who intentionally made themselves into a martyr with the goal to gain support for their cause.
To enact the law would encourage others to mass suicide to get what they want.
Any living thing on earth that chooses a path that eliminates any chance to reproduce has based that decision on falsehood. The primary goal of all life is to reproduce and not go extinct.
What does this have to do with reproduction? There are millions of people who
are not gay or transgender that want to be married or live in a world without the
requirement of reproduction. That is their business not mine or anyone Else's.
This was done because the kid felt helpless living in a world full of people who
were hell bent on forcing him/her into living how they intended for her to live and
claiming it was God's will. A confused kid in a circle of madness is not thinking
about martyrdom they are trying to get someone to stop listening and hear what
they are really saying. I knew a woman who lived in one of these Christian zealot
homes. She told me that as early as eight years old she used to hide in the cupboards
so she wouldn't have to go to the family church. The reason she knew they were
crazy even at that age.
They are luck the law isn't wading in here, the parents the so called professionals
were to blame for this kids death and because it will become a religious matter they
likely will never have to take responsibility for their actions.
are not gay or transgender that want to be married or live in a world without the
requirement of reproduction. That is their business not mine or anyone Else's.
This was done because the kid felt helpless living in a world full of people who
were hell bent on forcing him/her into living how they intended for her to live and
claiming it was God's will. A confused kid in a circle of madness is not thinking
about martyrdom they are trying to get someone to stop listening and hear what
they are really saying. I knew a woman who lived in one of these Christian zealot
homes. She told me that as early as eight years old she used to hide in the cupboards
so she wouldn't have to go to the family church. The reason she knew they were
crazy even at that age.
They are luck the law isn't wading in here, the parents the so called professionals
were to blame for this kids death and because it will become a religious matter they
likely will never have to take responsibility for their actions.
If people chose to not reproduce, they have obviously been confused as to what is the goal of life.
All life on earth has one goal, to survive.
To not reproduce results with you're DNA extinction.
To not reproduce is a form of suicide. You're direct DNA extinction ends you're closest chance at immortality.
To choose to not reproduce is admitting you're DNA will only hinder the race in its evolution.
All life on earth has one goal, to survive.
To not reproduce results with you're DNA extinction.
To not reproduce is a form of suicide. You're direct DNA extinction ends you're closest chance at immortality.
To choose to not reproduce is admitting you're DNA will only hinder the race in its evolution.
no
that is YOUR perception and you wish to impose your agenda upon all of mankind and yet you keep spieling off about others being on their high horse
this is a confused kid in the care of supposed adults who were supposed to protect, love and nurture this kid...they failed on all accounts
this is not about you and your philosophy, or Darwin's survival of the fittest or mankind's ego need to reproduce himself, it's about this kid period