Falklands defence review after military deal between Russia and Argentina

[MHz]

That should be enough to justify a few new very expensive ships the UK will have to build to counter this new offensive. After all if Putin is offensive in the Ukraine them he must be offensive everywhere and must be guarded against. Is that why the US is Cuba friendly suddenly, send in some spies to find out what Putin was 'really' up to. Putin goes on a world tour and 20 new NATO bases spring up behind him. You can't spend yourself out of a hole that overspending created.

 

[Praxius]

That should be enough to justify a few new very expensive ships the UK will have to build to counter this new offensive. After all if Putin is offensive in the Ukraine them he must be offensive everywhere and must be guarded against. Is that why the US is Cuba friendly suddenly, send in some spies to find out what Putin was 'really' up to. Putin goes on a world tour and 20 new NATO bases spring up behind him. You can't spend yourself out of a hole that overspending created.

*clap clap*

Finally someone brings up the real topic of Russia and Putin.... All this fluff about a possible conflict in the South Atlantic is irrelevant as nothing will happen. The real interesting part of all of this is how Russia is doing exactly what was predicted and circumventing all of the US/EU/Can sanctions by trading with other nations that require each others products.

In the long term, Russia will be impacted very little, will help bolster the other nations helping them out with such trades and we will eventually see a number of shifts in the global scene while the EU gets the brunt of the impacts directed at them that are negative.

Being the largest nation on the planet, Russia does have a lot of resources at their disposal for export.

What's more is while they have a lot of aging and dated military equipment lying around, there are plenty of other nations who will buy them to bolster their capabilities against their neighbors.

I may have a handgun... Which is better than my musket sitting there collecting dust.... If I sell that musket to a guy who's still using spears and swords against his enemies who are using the same spears and swords, then that changes things for that guy, his neighbors, the balance of power and I get a profit in the process.

 

[Cannuck]

Yeah, if you include this:

Meanwhile, the Brits sank this:

Yup. We could ways include the cargo ships Blackies Navy sunk and the two cruisers they lost as well. All in all, it was quite the embarrassment considering it was a third rate military going up against what Blakie believes to be one of the worlds finest. He should be along anytime now to give us his excuses...er....explain why the navy losses were expected.

 

[Blackleaf]

Considering how much damage Argentina did to the Royal Navy back in the day

Not as much damage as the Royal Navy did to the Argie navy.

Blackleaf and his buddies must be ****ting bricks.

Not really. The Falklands will stay British in accordance with international law.

 

[MHz]

Not really. The Falklands will stay British in accordance with international law.

Unless they hold a referendum and then they can legally join Argentina correct? (you left that part out, that they are part because it is the desire of the people) Say Russia filled the bombers with new goodies and had them drop that off on the windswept barren island as a x-max gft. When was the Queen last there BTW?

Looks like Argentina is getting Russia to do the same mineral sweep that Canada had them do for us a few years back.

 

[Cannuck]

Unless they hold a referendum and then they can legally join Argentina correct?

Argentina could try to retake it. If they get cozy enough with the Russians and the Russians support them I think Blackie and his buddies may be SOL

 

[MHz]

I didn't suggest 'retake' it, I suggested bribing the residents to the extent they do the voting on their own to ditch the UK and join Argentina and be serviced by Russian ships passing by, container ships rather than war ships.

 

[Blackleaf]

Argentina could try to retake it.

How could they "retake" the islands? The islands have never been Argentinian, save for a short period almost 33 years ago before the British kicked them off again.

I suggested bribing the residents to the extent they do the voting on their own to ditch the UK and join Argentina and be serviced by Russian ships passing by, container ships rather than war ships.

Why would you want to bribe the British residents of the Falkland Islands to vote to be Argentinian? What the hell has it got to do with you?

Maybe the British should bribe the people of Newfoundland to vote to become British again.

The Falkland Islanders had a referendum on 10th/11th March 2013. They were asked:

"Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom?

The result was as follows:

Yes: 1,513 (99.8%)
No: 3 (0.2%)

Valid votes: 1,516 (99.93%)
Invalid or blank votes: 1 (0.07%)

Total votes: 1,517
Voter turnout: 91.94%
Electorate: 1,650

Falklanders celebrate the 99.8% per cent Yes vote in referendum regarding their political future in capital Stanley. Only three islanders voted No

 

[taxslave]

Actually we would much prefer you bribed Ontario and Quebec to rejoin Britain.

 

[MHz]

How could they "retake" the islands? The islands have never been Argentinian, save for a short period almost 33 years ago before the British kicked them off again.



Why would you want to bribe the British residents of the Falkland Islands to vote to be Argentinian? What the hell has it got to do with you?

Maybe the British should bribe the people of Newfoundland to vote to become British again.

The Falkland Islanders had a referendum on 10th/11th March 2013. They were asked:

"Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom?

The result was as follows:

Yes: 1,513 (99.8%)
No: 3 (0.2%)

Valid votes: 1,516 (99.93%)
Invalid or blank votes: 1 (0.07%)

Total votes: 1,517
Voter turnout: 91.94%
Electorate: 1,650

Falklanders celebrate the 99.8% per cent Yes vote in referendum regarding their political future in capital Stanley. Only three islanders voted No

Good point, their views should be respected, when Crimea does the same why are their votes ignored?
The UK has quite a few of these 'remote island ports' is that where the Monarchy and the 'Pirates' used to hold their 'secret' meetings back then? Sort of like the various black prisons that NATO runs these days.

Knowing how the Brits like to browbeat others I'll bet even the sheep were voting. (as in Scotland just recently)

 

[taxslave]

Who besides the Russians got to vote in Crimea?

 

[MHz]

So it is a rigged vote when it goes against the UK but totally above board when it supports the UK. Not a surprise really, lets go back to how advanced the Falklands are thanks to being owned by the UK.

Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) | CIA World Factbook - The best country factbook available online

Budget: revenues: $66.2 million
expenditures: $67.9 million (FY98/99 est.)

What a crock, no matter how much they did for themselves the UK would make them debtors

 

[Cannuck]

How could they "retake" the islands? The islands have never been Argentinian, save for a short period almost 33 years ago before the British kicked them off again

You do realize you just contradicted yourself. Clearly Argentina took the islands. That's why the Brittish had to go take them back. Considering what it cost them to defeat a third rate military power, I don't think they would want to go another round if the Ruskies support Argentina in any significant way. Maybe they will beg us for help yet again.

 

[lone wolf]

Actually we would much prefer you bribed Ontario and Quebec to rejoin Britain.

How big a bribe are we talking? I'm negotiable....

 

[Blackleaf]

Good point, their views should be respected, when Crimea does the same why are their votes ignored?

Crimea was a part of Russia until 1954 when it was handed to Ukraine. But it was still Soviet territory then as Ukraine was part of the USSR with Russia. It only became foreign territory from Russia when the USSR broke up in 1991. Many Crimeans are also ethnic Russians who would like Crimea to be handed back to Russia.

Also, I'd take any referendum result in a corrupt country like Ukraine with a pinch of salt.

 

[MHz]

Who besides the Russians got to vote in Crimea?

Crimea Referendum: Final Results Show 97 Percent Of Voters In Crimea Support Joining Russia

MOSCOW (AP) — Final results of the referendum in Crimea show that 97 percent of voters have supported leaving Ukraine to join Russia, the head of the referendum election commission said Monday.
Mikhail Malyshev told a televised news conference that the final tally from Sunday's vote was 96.8 percent in favor of splitting from Ukraine. He also said that the commission has not registered a single complaint about the vote.
The referendum was widely condemned by Western leaders who were planning to discuss economic sanctions to punish Russia on Monday. Ukraine's new government in Kiev called the referendum a "circus" directed at gunpoint by Moscow.

But Valery Ryazantsev, head of Russia's observer mission in Crimea and a lawmaker from the upper house of the Russian parliament, said Monday that the results are beyond dispute. He told the Interfax news agency that there are "absolutely no reasons to consider the vote results illegitimate."


Russia or Argentina don't need the Falklands but what they should do with the bombers is map the ocean to search for natural resources and make sure international boundaries exist. Something the UK is slack at getting done and even then their pencils us usually pretty drunk. Brazil has huge fields offshore, Argentina shouldn't be any different.


Labor force: 1,724 (est.) (1996)



Child labor or somebody not vote?

 

[Blackleaf]

Clearly Argentina took the islands.

Only for a few weeks back when there was no British military presence on the islands, unlike today.

Considering what it cost them to defeat a third rate military power, I don't think they would want to go another round if the Ruskies support Argentina in any significant way.

The British will fight anybody if they have to. If the Russians want to ignore international law and the democratic wishes of a whole people and poke their noses into an affair in the South Atlantic which has nothing at all to do with them then so be it. They'll soon regret picking a fight with the British, don't you worry about that. If the Argies and the Russkies start causing trouble with the BRITISH citizens of the Falkland Islands then Britain will fight the Argies and Russkies and will do so with the UN and international law on our side.

Maybe they will beg us for help yet again.

Come off it. The Canadians with their tiny navy wouldn't pick a fight with the Swedes, never mind the Russians.

 

[darkbeaver]

Good point, their views should be respected, when Crimea does the same why are their votes ignored?
The UK has quite a few of these 'remote island ports' is that where the Monarchy and the 'Pirates' used to hold their 'secret' meetings back then? Sort of like the various black prisons that NATO runs these days.

Knowing how the Brits like to browbeat others I'll bet even the sheep were voting. (as in Scotland just recently)

Yes, that does seem to inconsistent.

The British will fight anybody if they have to. If the Russians want to ignore international law and the democratic wishes of a whole people and poke their noses into an affair in the South Atlantic which has nothing at all to do with them then so be it. They'll soon regret picking a fight with the British, don't you worry about that. If the Argies and the Russkies start causing trouble with the BRITISH citizens of the Falkland Islands then Britain will fight the Argies and Russkies and will do so with the UN and international law on our side.

The British are bank slaves and will lay down their lives in heaps where ever the bank and the peadophile parliament directs them.

 

[Cannuck]

Only for a few weeks back when there was no British military presence on the islands, unlike today.

Yup, they took it. They would have little trouble taking it again. With a little help from the Russians, they might even think they could hold it. I dare say, they probably could. Your sabre rattling aside, I doubt the Brits would want to go up against a Russian backed Argentina (let alone a Russia/Argentina coalition) without the help of her allies and it probably isn't important enough to us to get involved. In fact, I think there's a hockey game on that day.

Come off it. The Canadians with their tiny navy wouldn't pick a fight with the Swedes, never mind the Russians.

Come off it. We all know who has a history of biting off more than they can chew and who had to come help bail them out. You should learn something from us Canadians. A little less talk and a lot more action is in order of you want respect.

 

[MHz]

Come off it. The Canadians with their tiny navy wouldn't pick a fight with the Swedes, never mind the Russians.

That's true, even the island nations that voted with us against Palestine could probably whip our *** in a naval war, taking over the swamps will be another issue all together. Notice that you teaching us math has led us to believe that 6 against 167 is a winning hand. Really?? Even you must know that sooner or later somebody is going to balk at that 'kind offer'.