Obama and Cuba
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Maybe Castro just wants that $10 for FDR. That's what this has all been about.
It certainly is. I'm enjoying the irony of seeing all the people here who actively supported the U.S. torture program just a few days ago turn into fainting bleeding hearts over Cuba's tortures.
Ending the Cold War on Cuba? From the Freezer to the Chiller
If Washington ended its economic aggression against Cuba and others then it might just be a signal of real change. Otherwise it’s just more of the same imperialist policy that is the bedrock of American power.
As US President Barack Obama announced his surprise «historic» bid to normalize relations with Cuba this week, the New York Times swooned with glowing news. ‘US to Restore Full Relations With Cuba, Erasing a Last Trace of Cold War Hostility’ was how its top headline put it. Welcoming the development, the American «newspaper of record» said Obama vowed to «cut loose the shackles of the past» and to «sweep aside one of the last vestiges of the Cold War».
But, purple prose aside, the hard detail is that the ongoing illegal American embargo on Cuba will stay in place. Moreover, the move comes as Washington slaps on more sanctions against Russia and unleashes new sanctions on Venezuela.
End of the Cold War? Read more...
The concessions that Obama is offering to Cuba are minimal. The putative easing of banking and travel restrictions and the re-opening of an American embassy in Havana (spying facilities) are conditional on the Cuban government embracing «free elections» and opening up investment for American capital and communications.
With a hawkish Republican-controlled Congress already pouring scorn on Obama’s tentative overtures as a «capitulation» we can be sure that the main planks of Washington’s decades-long embargo on Cuba will remain ironclad.
That works both ways doesn't it?
Dec 19 13:24
Ending the Cold War on Cuba? From the Freezer to the Chiller
If Washington ended its economic aggression against Cuba and others then it might just be a signal of real change. Otherwise it’s just more of the same imperialist policy that is the bedrock of American power.
As US President Barack Obama announced his surprise «historic» bid to normalize relations with Cuba this week, the New York Times swooned with glowing news. ‘US to Restore Full Relations With Cuba, Erasing a Last Trace of Cold War Hostility’ was how its top headline put it. Welcoming the development, the American «newspaper of record» said Obama vowed to «cut loose the shackles of the past» and to «sweep aside one of the last vestiges of the Cold War».
But, purple prose aside, the hard detail is that the ongoing illegal American embargo on Cuba will stay in place. Moreover, the move comes as Washington slaps on more sanctions against Russia and unleashes new sanctions on Venezuela.
End of the Cold War? Read more...
The concessions that Obama is offering to Cuba are minimal. The putative easing of banking and travel restrictions and the re-opening of an American embassy in Havana (spying facilities) are conditional on the Cuban government embracing «free elections» and opening up investment for American capital and communications.
With a hawkish Republican-controlled Congress already pouring scorn on Obama’s tentative overtures as a «capitulation» we can be sure that the main planks of Washington’s decades-long embargo on Cuba will remain ironclad.
America is post-constitutional. Obama can do whatever he wants on any issue, including ignoring the embargo. The American Congress is no more powerful than the Roman Senate after Augustus.
Yep. The same ones who cried over Saddam's inhumanity to his own people but who applauded when Suharto did far worse to his.
Have we seen any evidemce of Cuban torture. I don't recall reading about it ever. Of course there's a lot of crap out there to reaed.
My mother and I both worked with Cuban refugees who resettled in NYC in the 1960s and 70s. While they complained of being forced into exile with only the clothes on their backs at no point did any of them report that they had been tortured. Some people in Florida claim they were but never produced any evidence. Luckily for them they found a ready market for their claims in the delusional right wingers who control the media and the Republican party.
Personally I have no doubt that some did experience some form of torture such as those who participated in the Bay of Pigs invasion and possibly Cuban-American spies who were caught infiltrating into Cuba. But there simply is no real evidence for the claims that massive amounts of torture took place.
You srtupid Canadian, you were there, they tortured you with rum and sunlight every day.
Ah, who knows? Batista ruled, communuism was a better altyernative, they made it haoppen. Torture is a regression, mo body with an eye to a future should engage in it, better to die first.
there's no frost there you know
no frost? don't you know what a Cuba libre is?
Coca Cola, lime, ice, and lots of rum - there's your Cuban frost.
Coca Cola, lime, ice, and lots of rum - there's your Cuban frost.
The best approach in dealing with doubters is to give them a source that they will accept:
American Experience | Fidel Castro | Views on Cuba | PBS
Not if you're the forum perma-victim or a libtard.
Kept their dream alive huh. To what.... leave?
Yeah Gopher you're so smart and well read. So full of worldly knowledge.
Torture in Cuba
Liberal Obamabot.
Our lefty libtards would be the first to tell people who lived under the Castro government that they don't know what they are talking about.
All those allegations appear tame compared to Abu Ghraib - too bad the reichtards were so muted on that and they still feel echo Bush's claims that the USA doesn't torture.
and one thing that has been overlooked is the many thousands of Cubans who went back:
Cuba to welcome back many who left - CSMonitor.com
