N.Y. cop not indicted in choke hold death

[Goober]

Oh dear. I hope you don't have high blood pressure.

Nope, I am as healthy as a horse. Heart checked, numerous tests, heart of a healthy 30 year old.
Now you are addled, mad as hell. Trying a new tack with the insults. Do not work.
Go back to the other board where some still think you are who you are. But from what I was PM'd by some, many know different.
Time is getting short for you on both boards.
Why 1 had so much info it was amazing. No not really. The internet is quite an open book if you take the time.
I will save that for later.

PM's from another board do not violate any rules here Slim. None. Nada.
Time is getting short.

 

[Cannuck]

PM's from another board do not violate any rules here Slim. None. Nada.
Time is getting short.

Maybe you should stop snivelling like the drama queen you are and start posting the PMs. I know, I for one, am excited as all get out.

 

[Goober]

Maybe you should stop snivelling like the drama queen you are and start posting the PMs. I know, I for one, am excited as all get out.

Your PM's. Are you giving me and all other Members permission to post your PM's?

 

[Cannuck]

PM's from another board do not violate any rules here Slim. None. Nada.
Time is getting short.

Since they aren't against the rules, post away

 

[gopher]

Actually people who have had heart attacks often claim they can't breathe.

My mom had a COPD incident that was quite severe and she was able to say she couldn't breathe...because before your air is totally cut off you are aware that you are loosing the ability to breath and panic. Survival instinct.

Asthma sufferers will also be able to tell you they can't breathe or catch their breath. Semantics are unimportant when you feel you are dying.

I can attest to the truth of that statement since I suffer from seizures any of which can readily be quite fatal. The problem is most of them are in my sleep which makes them even more hazardous.

 

[Cannuck]

Since they aren't against the rules, post away

Well?

 

[captain morgan]

he is shouldering ALL of the blame....he's dead

No, he is/was bearing the consequences of his actions/choices... As he has died, an assessment of responsibility will result in the cop not being held 100% responsible for the consequences.

I find it amazing that the analysis to date on this event (and other events) totally disregards the actions of the 'victim' as having any part of the event at all.

Garner had the option of cooperating that would have resulted in his not being dealt with on a physical basis. Garner made the choice to promote a physical confrontation and it is that action that lead to his death.

The assessment via the GJ appears to have taken this into account

 

[Twila]

Garner had the option of cooperating that would have resulted in his not being dealt with on a physical basis. Garner made the choice to promote a physical confrontation and it is that action that lead to his death.

It's not really an option to not comply if the result of your making the choice is death by those sworn to protect, is it?

I think I understand the implications of what would happen if police were held accountable for their actions in these types of situations. They'd think twice before making any decision in any situation. The delay in that decision could result in their death or death of those they are sworn to protect. The public would also then be less inclined to submit to their authority and their job would be tougher and dealing with the public could become more dangerous.

However, those things are happening now. Instant access to media worldwide is changing how people view events. It's making events far away seem closer and there by making those not involved feel involved.

It would seem the public is demanding a change in the current policy. If gov't is choosen by the people and the police are under gov't control then shouldn't the public be listened to?

 

[captain morgan]

It's not really an option to not comply if the result of your making the choice is death by those sworn to protect, is it?

That doesn't make sense to me... Garner's choice was comply or die?... Garner knew that these were the only 2 options available?

If so, the next obvious question is why did he chose death?

I think I understand the implications of what would happen if police were held accountable for their actions in these types of situations. They'd think twice before making any decision in any situation. The delay in that decision could result in their death or death of those they are sworn to protect. The public would also then be less inclined to submit to their authority and their job would be tougher and dealing with the public could become more dangerous.

The police are held accountable.. Internal investigations and the Grand Jury.

Further, it appears that the Attny General in the State wants to take a run at him.

How many times does this guy need to be exonerated before he can stop looking over his shoulder?

However, those things are happening now. Instant access to media worldwide is changing how people view events. It's making events far away seem closer and there by making those not involved feel involved.

In recent events, the situation as morphed into Trial By Media.... That is not the way that I want society to operate.

It would seem the public is demanding a change in the current policy. If gov't is choosen by the people and the police are under gov't control then shouldn't the public be listened to?

Public is being fed only select info.

The GJs on the last 2 events absolved the police in both instances.. Clearly they had a reason to do so, so why can't the public accept this?

 

[Goober]

Since they aren't against the rules, post away

Slim, this was the question.
Your PM's. Are you giving me and all other Members permission to post your PM's?

 

[JLM]

Slim, this was the question.
Your PM's. Are you giving me and all other Members permission to post your PM's?

You still waiting for him to "put his money where his mouth is"? Ain't going to happen!

 

[Cannuck]

Slim, this was the question.
Your PM's. Are you giving me and all other Members permission to post your PM's?

Let's have you post the ones from the other forum first and see how it goes. You don't need permission for that so have at it.

You still waiting for him to "put his money where his mouth is"? Ain't going to happen!

Coming from you that's priceless. How is the class-action lawsuit coming? Gawd, you're such a silly man!

 

[Sal]

No, he is/was bearing the consequences of his actions/choices... As he has died, an assessment of responsibility will result in the cop not being held 100% responsible for the consequences.

death for not complying when your actions are zero threat to life and limb of the cop, that is a terribly high price to ask the victim to assume.

I find it amazing that the analysis to date on this event (and other events) totally disregards the actions of the 'victim' as having any part of the event at all.

he is dead...DEAD it doesn't matter how much blame you heap upon him, he is dead...what you are saying is....too bad so sad, and then you want everyone else to jump on board...well, I don't

the cop's actions are clearly against everything he has been instructed to do....

hope your boss is that understanding when you willfully screw up and your professional behavior breaks company rules.

Garner had the option of cooperating that would have resulted in his not being dealt with on a physical basis. Garner made the choice to promote a physical confrontation and it is that action that lead to his death.

so what...lack of cooperation should in no way encourage behaviour from a person who is in control and the dominant position which is clearly against the rules..
like it or not, there are rules to follow in every job and the cop did not...

the cop made a bad decision, it resulted in the death of another human being...

not acceptable

 

[Goober]

Let's have you post the ones from the other forum first and see how it goes. You don't need permission for that so have at it.

Nope.
Slim, this was the question.
Your PM's. Are you giving me and all other Members permission to post your PM's?

 

[JLM]

death for not complying when your actions are zero threat to life and limb of the cop, that is a terribly high price to ask the victim to assume.


he is dead...DEAD it doesn't matter how much blame you heap upon him, he is dead...what you are saying is....too bad so sad, and then you want everyone else to jump on board...well, I don't

the cop's actions are clearly against everything he has been instructed to do....

hope your boss is that understanding when you willfully screw up and your professional behavior breaks company rules.


so what...lack of cooperation should in no way encourage behaviour from a person who is in control and the dominant position which is clearly against the rules..
like it or not, there are rules to follow in every job and the cop did not...

the cop made a bad decision, it resulted in the death of another human being...

not acceptable

I haven't examined this case enough to mete out blame, but as a general statement I think we have to accept the fact there are a few thugs among police forces. That much was evident in New Orleans years ago. Anyone who wasn't there simply doesn't know all the ramifications!

 

[Sal]

I haven't examined this case enough to mete out blame, but as a general statement I think we have to accept the fact there are a few thugs among police forces. That much was evident in New Orleans years ago. Anyone who wasn't there simply doesn't know all the ramifications!

for me, from my view point their hiring practices are questionable at best...IF a cop can not successfully deal with this type of situation, then a change of career is a must...this type of power demands a certain personality type they must be capable of fast level assessment and appropriate response.

I do not support the azzhat who is maybe 1 in a 1000. They endanger the other officers because they are forced to support the crew and it is NOT in the best interests of anyone other than the f*ck ups... I see this in my union environment over and over and over...the lowest denominator sets the bar. This cop is the lowest denominator not the average guy who excels in these types of situations thus he does not deserve defense. He is a liability to the public and his family in blue.

Coming from a management perspective this is completely...unacceptable.

 

[DaSleeper]

Cap, it seems to some that if I should happen tomorrow, to cross the center line and hit a transport truck head on and die in the process, I should be absolved of all blame for the accident since I died, and the transport driver should get all the blame and loose his licence because he couldn't avoid the collision.

 

[Locutus]

I wonder why the black female sergeant hasn't been hunted down, tracked and pestered by CNN, Msnbc et al to find out just what in the fukk she was thinking when this thing went down. Nobody seems to give a sh!t about what she didn't do while on scene all that time. Not even sharpton and god knows his little show could sure use the ratings boost.

sure, the buckaroo cop did the squeezing on fattie's neck but c'mon, his boss just stood there, admiring his excellent efforts. oh and sure, she could be a mime, a mute, maybe even a helen keller but I doubt it.

 

[Goober]

I wonder why the black female sergeant hasn't been hunted down, tracked and pestered by CNN, Msnbc et al to find out just what in the fukk she was thinking when this thing went down. Nobody seems to give a sh!t about what she didn't do while on scene all that time. Not even sharpton and god knows his little show could sure use the ratings boost.

sure, the buckaroo cop did the squeezing on fattie's neck but c'mon, his boss just stood there, admiring his excellent efforts. oh and sure, she could be a mime, a mute, maybe even a helen keller but I doubt it.

I recall you stating that the Officers were provided immunity for their testimony.
Now I may be a tad off on this but, to offer all involved immunity is well odd to say the least.

 

[Sal]

I wonder why the black female sergeant hasn't been hunted down, tracked and pestered by CNN, Msnbc et al to find out just what in the fukk she was thinking when this thing went down. Nobody seems to give a sh!t about what she didn't do while on scene all that time. Not even sharpton and god knows his little show could sure use the ratings boost.

sure, the buckaroo cop did the squeezing on fattie's neck but c'mon, his boss just stood there, admiring his excellent efforts. oh and sure, she could be a mime, a mute, maybe even a helen keller but I doubt it.

yeah, my guess is she is under someone's protection....seems strange that she has vanished from the cross hairs