Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[bluebyrd35]

OK explain this one.. WalMart claims to be pro-USA and pro-Conservative and gave me a -1 on this post..

Thinking he a closet Liberal..



...and the day they rob your **** and shoot you.. oh yeah, you're a Canadian snow bird.. nobody gives a shyte.

The distinct similarity between religious people who resent the curbs put on attempts to harangue others into conversion and gun owner who feel threatened by having some restrictions put their ability intimidate and control is rather obvious.


,The first group claim to be saving others, the second claim weapons are needed for protection against others of their own species. It seems to me, both groups are out for control, not over their own lives but over those of others. At least the religious group is less aggressive about their position.

 

[Colpy]

The distinct similarity between religious people who resent the curbs put on attempts to harangue others into conversion and gun owner who feel threatened by having some restrictions put their ability intimidate and control is rather obvious.


,The first group claim to be saving others, the second claim weapons are needed for protection against others of their own species. It seems to me, both groups are out for control, not over their own lives but over those of others. At least the religious group is less aggressive about their position.

That is pretty impressive.

You managed to trash the two primary rights of the nation you live in in a single sentence. To heck with the first and second amendment of the Bill of Rights.....bluebyrd doesn't like them!

Unbelievable.

 

[CDNBear]

Firearms sports safer than hockey, football › Medicine Hat News

Just a letter to the editor, but interesting.

I work by a "Targets" range now, I swung by to take a look at the place, since I didn't even know it existed until last week.

The collage in the lobby was awesome, little kids on the firing line, sons/daughters and dads/moms at their workshops cleaning weapons together. It was cute.

While I would have no problem sending a dozen twelve year old boys down to the local pond to play hockey. I sure as hell wouldn't send the same group out with 22 rifles.

Then they weren't raised right.

 

[bluebyrd35]

That is pretty impressive.

You managed to trash the two primary rights of the nation you live in in a single sentence. To heck with the first and second amendment of the Bill of Rights.....bluebyrd doesn't like them!

Unbelievable.

Sorry luv, no I didn't. The people in Canada are able to choose whatever religious faith they wish to. They have the right to practice whatever faith they wish, just not in someone else's face. In Canada, we do not have the right to bear arms. Here it is a privilege to be earned. It is rare to get shot going to the store or answering the door.


So no I don't trash the rights of either group. I support the right to practice their faith just not in my house or face. I support the right to own a gun to hunt, just not humans and with conditions that protect the rights of those who do not WANT to have to protect themselves against those who choose to own those guns.


We have a very different constitution in Canada, and inspite of a few gun owners, the majority of Canadians support it.

 

[skookumchuck]

Once again, what has my counting ability have to do with gun control?? It is not about if the shooter wore a beard, what he had for lunch. It was about the fact he obviously had a gun along with a mental problem .


Yes. that is so. It is about keeping guns away from those have not a clue about the dangers of handling them. It is not about stopping murders, because all we can do is institute as many safety measures as possible. At least we can reduce accidents somewhat.


Explain??? again?? Okay last time. Locked gun cabinets, prevents many accidental shootings, and makes it quite a bit more difficult for having the guns stolen. Do you leave your gun lying around the house or your car loaded?? Many do here. I have met those who keep a loaded gun beside them in the car at all times, another who sleeps with a loaded one under his pillow.


Guns are fired into the air at midnight New Year's eve quite often here and it seems that someone fired a hand gun into the air during the recent riots down here. There are not gun shops on every second or third street in Canada either.


You are stuck on criminals and the insane, but down here it is the children that are dying in record numbers, they shoot themselves, each other and their families.


In Canada, at least where I have lived both in Montreal and in a rural community, the attitude has changed. Guns are locked up and when they are brought out for hunting, target shooting etc. a great deal of care is taken. New hunters have had courses and practice before going out with old hands who keep a close eye on them.


Several years ago, there were two Daytona cops with a young daughter living next door. One morning the young daughter came over for a chat. She confided to me that she knew where her mother kept the key to her gun box. I suspect she also knew where her father kept the spare key for his gun box as well. And yes, I let the parents know to move the keys to a safer place.


So again , yes gun control does work. If nothing else it makes everyone aware of the need for keeping guns out of reach of others.

How do you explain the large majority of people i grew up with all having rifles, usually .22's by age 12? How do you explain the fact that they all were free to go out with their rifles and plink or hunt whenever they wanted? None of them were shot by themselves or each other. None of them committed any crimes with their fire arms other than the occasional insulator getting zinged. I remember seeing on Saturday morning, a half dozen boys walking through the streets of town with their guns over their shoulders. Oops forgot to mention they were all raised by real families who were not modern whining liberals. Your "scared of the world" type have screwed up two full generations, do you feel proud?

 

[Colpy]

Sorry luv, no I didn't. The people in Canada are able to choose whatever religious faith they wish to. They have the right to practice whatever faith they wish, just not in someone else's face. In Canada, we do not have the right to bear arms. Here it is a privilege to be earned. It is rare to get shot going to the store or answering the door.

First of all, I was talking about the USA, where you live at least part of the time.

Secondly, you are wrong on both counts. In Canada, we do nopt have the right of freedom of speech or of conscience. Just ask Mr. Whatcott.

And we do have the right to keep arms.....according to the Charter, Section 26, and the Bill of Rights of 1689.

Of course, according to that piece of Liberal Ar$ewipe commonly called our Charter of (no) Rights and Freedoms, we also have freedom of conscience and speech............

Actually, we do. Our rights are not dependent on a useless piece of paper

 

[bluebyrd35]

How do you explain the large majority of people i grew up with all having rifles, usually .22's by age 12? How do you explain the fact that they all were free to go out with their rifles and plink or hunt whenever they wanted? None of them were shot by themselves or each other. None of them committed any crimes with their fire arms other than the occasional insulator getting zinged. I remember seeing on Saturday morning, a half dozen boys walking through the streets of town with their guns over their shoulders. Oops forgot to mention they were all raised by real families who were not modern whining liberals. Your "scared of the world" type have screwed up two full generations, do you feel proud?

LOL, I assume you grew up in a town less than 500 people, and it was rural. Where I grew up people had to go 50 miles or more reach a place to hunt. I grew up in Montreal. The only ones who had guns on the streets there and in most Canadian cities were thugs. Back then the Mafia ruled the streets of most large cities. Your bloody right I am proud. We made a reasonably decent society to live in.

You do realize times have changed and people no longer leave their doors unlocked at night nowadays either, right!! How the hell do you think we got to where we are now??? Certainly not by letting 12 year olds walk the streets with guns over their shoulders.

And the greatest bleeding heart liberal of all times....... wait for it now....JESUS CHRIST!....remember Him, the One who preached turn the other cheek, , love your neighbor as yourself, forgive those who do you wrong. Treat others as you wish to be treated. Not a bad philosophy/example to follow.


Now lets discuss the Conservatives.........Do as I say not as I do...... join every war on the planet, it there is not one to join, start one. You know the ones, those who collect the taxes and spend more of it maintaining gun manufacturers than on a decent health care system for all.. Bring on depressions, because they refuse to share the wealth. Oh and if they don't get what they want, bring the country to the brink of ruin and not just once. They are the ones who equate a social democratic government to a communist dictatorship and since very few of the poor can afford a decent education, it is quite easy to keep them believing the rot they spew.

 

[skookumchuck]

LOL, I assume you grew up in a town less than 500 people, and it was rural. Where I grew up people had to go 50 miles or more reach a place to hunt. I grew up in Montreal. The only ones who had guns on the streets there and in most Canadian cities were thugs. Back then the Mafia ruled the streets of most large cities. Your bloody right I am proud. We made a reasonably decent society to live in.

You do realize times have changed and people no longer leave their doors unlocked at night nowadays either, right!! How the hell do you think we got to where we are now??? Certainly not by letting 12 year olds walk the streets with guns over their shoulders.

And the greatest bleeding heart liberal of all times....... wait for it now....JESUS CHRIST!....remember Him, the One who preached turn the other cheek, , love your neighbor as yourself, forgive those who do you wrong. Treat others as you wish to be treated. Not a bad philosophy/example to follow.


Now lets discuss the Conservatives.........Do as I say not as I do...... join every war on the planet, it there is not one to join, start one. You know the ones, those who collect the taxes and spend more of it maintaining gun manufacturers than on a decent health care system for all.. Bring on depressions, because they refuse to share the wealth. Oh and if they don't get what they want, bring the country to the brink of ruin and not just once. They are the ones who equate a social democratic government to a communist dictatorship and since very few of the poor can afford a decent education, it is quite easy to keep them believing the rot they spew.

Actually the town was 3500 people. Other than being a Montreal product you have no excuse whatsoever.

 

[CDNBear]

LOL, I assume you grew up in a town less than 500 people, and it was rural. Where I grew up people had to go 50 miles or more reach a place to hunt. I grew up in Montreal.

Well that explains a lot.

The only ones who had guns on the streets there and in most Canadian cities were thugs. Back then the Mafia ruled the streets of most large cities. Your bloody right I am proud. We made a reasonably decent society to live in.

Even though the mafia ruled, gotchya.

You do realize times have changed and people no longer leave their doors unlocked at night nowadays either, right!!

I do.

How the hell do you think we got to where we are now???

By letting people like you have some form of power and/or the ability to sway policy.

Certainly not by letting 12 year olds walk the streets with guns over their shoulders.

How do you figure?

And the greatest bleeding heart liberal of all times....... wait for it now....JESUS CHRIST!....remember Him, the One who preached turn the other cheek, , love your neighbor as yourself, forgive those who do you wrong. Treat others as you wish to be treated. Not a bad philosophy/example to follow.

That there is how I know you shouldn't be allowed to sway policy.

Now lets discuss the Conservatives.........Do as I say not as I do...... join every war on the planet, it there is not one to join, start one.

I'd discuss this with you, but you seem to want to make things up.

You know the ones, those who collect the taxes and spend more of it maintaining gun manufacturers than on a decent health care system for all.. Bring on depressions, because they refuse to share the wealth. Oh and if they don't get what they want, bring the country to the brink of ruin and not just once. They are the ones who equate a social democratic government to a communist dictatorship and since very few of the poor can afford a decent education, it is quite easy to keep them believing the rot they spew.

Have you been drinking?

 

[bluebyrd35]

Well that explains a lot.

Even though the mafia ruled, gotchya.

I do.

By letting people like you have some form of power and/or the ability to sway policy.

How do you figure?

That there is how I know you shouldn't be allowed to sway policy.

I'd discuss this with you, but you seem to want to make things up.


Have you been drinking?

Put down one liners only prove the inability to form a decent reply.

Actually the town was 3500 people. Other than being a Montreal product you have no excuse whatsoever.

Excuse for what? Being a reasonable, non-violent person

 

[CDNBear]

Put down one liners only prove the inability to form a decent reply.

LOL, the irony is palpable.

I can understand why you would run away from answering my questions, and choose to only reply with a one liner put down.

Excuse for what? Being a reasonable, non-violent person

You aren't reasonable.

 

[bluebyrd35]

LOL, the irony is palpable.

I can understand why you would run away from answering my questions, and choose to only reply with a one liner put down.

You aren't reasonable.

In whatever form you take the truth to be......Truth it is.

 

[CDNBear]

In whatever form you take the truth to be......Truth it is.

I'm glad you can admit your problems, now work on them.

 

[DaSleeper]

LOL, the irony is palpable.

Another one who likes to proselytise huh?

 

[CDNBear]

Another one who likes to proselytise huh?

They're a dime a dozen, bud.

 

[DaSleeper]

Just because she had an uncle or something that used to go hunting....she's an expert on guns....or she worked in a hospital and saw a few gun injuries but discounts the millions who use guns responsibly ......but wait ...she's an expert....she knows better than anyone else....

 

[CDNBear]

...she's an expert....she knows better than anyone else....

waldo's mom?

 

[JamesBondo]

LOL, I assume you grew up in a town less than 500 people, and it was rural. Where I grew up people had to go 50 miles or more reach a place to hunt. I grew up in Montreal. The only ones who had guns on the streets there and in most Canadian cities were thugs. Back then the Mafia ruled the streets of most large cities. Your bloody right I am proud. We made a reasonably decent society to live in.

It is obvious to me that the street thugs didn't hunt, and the hunters weren't street thugs. As a citizen, and somewhat of a activist for gun control, bluebyrd, why in the hell would you support and polarize this debate by insisting that your values and the realities of Montreal are a 'one size fits all' situation.

You may be 70 years old, but you need to grow up and (wo)man up to the fact that the hunters aren't the problem.

Please look up the significance of the Oaks test. If is a charter of rights ruling that lays out the principles of proportionality.

Proportionality.

Bluebyrd. There is nothing proportional about taking away the rights of a large group( peaceful gun owners) just for the slim possibility that criminals will have to use clubs and knives instead of guns.

Especially, when we already know what prohibition does in north america. it didn't work with alcohol, it isn't working with marijuana, and it won't work with firearms.

 

[CDNBear]

It is obvious to me that the street thugs didn't hunt, and the hunters weren't street thugs.

It's only obvious because you aren't an idiot.

 

[JamesBondo]

Excuse for what? Being a reasonable, non-violent person [/I]

In a general sense, a reasonable person should be able to have a reasonable discussion about the Oaks test, and it's principle of proportionality. Are you that person? If so, please google it to your hearts content then get back to me about your thoughts on the matter.