Preston Manning Smeared; Con Civil War Brewing ?

Cannuck

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Manning speaks for conservatives, just not Conservatives. All one needs to do is to try and engage a Conservative in a serious discussion and the difference between the two is quite evident.
 

captain morgan

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unfortunately for President Harper, its the forth quarter and likely 1st,2nd to come that are going to be showing the reverse trend. As for economic growth, you do realize that GDP is product/service * price. And CPI is now running at 2.4% so, with all things being equal, inflating prices with the same level of service and production would produce a rise in GDP - in other words, if El presidente's plan is demonstrate economic growth through inflation, then he should talk to BofC to keep interest rate low to drive inflation - oh, wait, he did. My bad.

Economic measures are considered over longer periods than a few months, reason being is that policies that affect the economy require time to have a measurable impact.

As far as CPI is concerned, increases in that are associated with a growing (or strong) economy... And where you are @ss-backwards on this relates to assuming that the CPI increased first (without any volumetric change in GDP) and therefore the GDP increase was a reflection of higher prices.

It's positively amazing that some conservatives can jump on a singular (presumably) good stat and yell "see I told you so,

Again, the results are a direct function of the policies that were initiated in the past... Further, your comment appears to be founded in a closed (Canadian) system wherein there are no forces from the global markets and economy.

Harper bet the right way and is reaping the rewards, as opposed to any of the other G& or G20 nations that do not exemplify the same resiliency during/after the global recession.

CLearly, you are the only one looking at select stats.

Harpernomics is the Best" yet you forget that same wizard of world like fiscal domination has driven our debt load up by 30%. If the yanks were to raise their interest rates by 1 point, we here in Canada would have a choice (well we wouldn't - harper would) not raise the rate and watch foreign investment leave this land at the speed of light, or raise the rates and watch our interest payments jump by 10 billion. His fiscal nonsense has put us at risk.

I love it when the debt is brought-up.. We are still paying down the debt that PET accrued. Further, that per capita is still smaller than comparable nations AND the economy isn't in the sh*tter.

In terms of interest rates, you need to open your eyes and realize that those rates are a function of what the global (Western) interest rates look like.

They will be going up, but not because of Harper... You want to fix that issue on someone, look to the White House as they have halted the Quantitative Easing program and the only option is to raise interest rates to attract capital
 

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I don't watch Sun News. And I wasn't at any meeting about a civil war either.


I didn't watch Sun News until the last couple of months.
Now I get up on my days off and switch back and forth between CBC and Sun.
CBS: Hockey scores
click
Sun News: ISIS
click
CBC: Jian
click
Sun News: Jian
(sigh) click
CBC: Wonderful victory for anti-pipeline protesters
click
Sun News: debate over pipeline
click
Margaret Atwood
really really quick click
Sun News: firearms training

I'm growing to like Sun News
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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I hate the SUN NEWS format.
I like CTV News
I like CBC News
When in doubt read a paper.
That's my motto.

CNN and Fox make me want to barf.
 

coldstream

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Manning is a damn moron.

In fact he was never a 'conservative'.. he was a 'neo-conservative'.. a euphamism for 'libertarian' which is, in fact, a spawn of the decrepit British Liberalism of the 18th Century which itself was a form of social Darwinism... and deeply anti-government sentiment.

It's no surprise a fool like this would fall for a scam liki AGW.

The 'conservative' movement in Canada is in a complete mess. It was taken over in a palace coup by the old Reform Party went it 'merged' with the Progressive Conservatives.. which at least had some lineage back to the institutional structure, social tradition, and economic nationalism & dirigism.. which forms the basis of real conservatism.

We're left with a PM in Harper who has NO vision, passion or integrity.. but simply has his script handed to him by his masters in the Global Financial and Trading Leviathon.

What we have now in the Conservative Party is a radical, amoral, globalist, culturally libertarian, free market cult.
 
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Sun News Network host Ezra Levant has been ordered to pay $80,000 in damages for libeling a Saskatchewan lawyer in a series of “reckless” blog posts, according to a Superior Court decision released Thursday evening.

But I'm not surprised that he's reacting like that ghastly bully always does. Portraying himself as a martyr........


I’ve lost my lawsuit. But I’m going to appeal. Here’s why. | STAND with EZRA

Good. He's a nasty piece of work.

says the Walter guy in his perpetual echo-chamber! Please, please... don't give me any more reddies... as it simply showcases "we, you and I" can't have a disagreement without you going "ALL RED"! :lol:

Ha ha. you got redded.

Manning is a damn moron.

In fact he was never a 'conservative'.. he was a 'neo-conservative'.. a euphamism for 'libertarian' which is in fact a spawn of the decrepit British Liberalism of the 18th Century which itself was a form of social Darwinism... and deeply anti-government sentiment.

It's no surprise a fool like this would fall for AGW.

The 'conservative' movement is in a complete mess. It has been taken over in a palace coup by the old Reform Party went it 'merged' with the Progressive Conservatives.. which at least had some lineage back to social traditionalism, economic nationalism and dirigism.

What we have now in the Conservative Party is a radical, globalist, culturally libertarian, free market cult.

Neo-conservatism is not libertarianism. Read a book.
 

Cannuck

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I didn't watch Sun News until the last couple of months.

LOL...don't embarrass yourself. A Conservative part shrill like you that doesn't watch Sun News? May as well try telling us you're a leprechaun. You would probably get more takers.

Manning is a damn moron.

In fact he was never a 'conservative'.. he was a 'neo-conservative'.. a euphamism for 'libertarian' which is, in fact, a spawn of the decrepit British Liberalism of the 18th Century which itself was a form of social Darwinism... and deeply anti-government sentiment.

Don't be silly. Manning was not anti-government.
 

Colpy

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LOL...don't embarrass yourself. A Conservative part shrill like you that doesn't watch Sun News? May as well try telling us you're a leprechaun. You would probably get more takers.

Sigh...

You no read so good.

Let me make it simple for you.

See Colpy.

See Colpy watch Sun News.

Colpy likes Sun News.

Watch Colpy watch.

Got it now??

We only had it included in our cable packages a couple of months ago.

Geezus.
 

whitedog

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"I love it when the debt is brought-up.. We are still paying down the debt that PET accrued."

Never said PET didn't drive up debt. Didn't say BM didn't drive up debt. I said SH increased it by 30%. And this came on the heels of those fiscally irresponsible, crooked, cheatin JC/PM liberals who were actually paying down the debt. Clearly, SH didn't agree with paying it down. Funny since there are more cons than not that believe the debt should be paid down.

Don't get me wrong, the Lib's had to go for their crooked cheatin ways, but that is no excuse for SH driving up the debt. It doesn't matter what party is in, it only matters whether they are doing good for the country - saddling Canada with massive debt, coupled that with a one pony show economic policy ain't it. Keep kickin em out till they get the hint.
 

DaSleeper

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Sigh...

You no read so good.

Let me make it simple for you.

See Colpy.

See Colpy watch Sun News.

Colpy likes Sun News.

Watch Colpy watch.

Got it now??

We only had it included in our cable packages a couple of months ago.

Geezus.
I like Jerry Agar, Brian Liley byline , Michel Coren and as for Ezra Levant..... after 15 minutes starts repeating himself so I switch to o'Reilley factor or something else...CNN or whatever............
 

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Don't be in such a hurry to count SH out. For and agin generally agree on this man being 'a sticker'.

Im not saying its happening next week or anything but he will step down at some point. That is inevitable. Unless of course he is immortal and can make people keep him on forever.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Im not saying its happening next week or anything but he will step down at some point. That is inevitable. Unless of course he is immortal and can make people keep him on forever.

Harper probably has one more term in him. By that time I would guess that he'll start thinking about retirement.

I find it funny that Liberal supporters are wishing for a palace coup. You'd thinking they'd be asking for a leader with some common sense and an inkling of experience.

Thomas Mulcair is more viable than Trudeau.
 

whitedog

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Harper probably has one more term in him. By that time I would guess that he'll start thinking about retirement.

I find it funny that Liberal supporters are wishing for a palace coup. You'd thinking they'd be asking for a leader with some common sense and an inkling of experience.

Thomas Mulcair is more viable than Trudeau.
Not to mention they are both liberals.
 

darkbeaver

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LOw interest rates and low fuel prices are good for the economy as a whole. Instead of buying little sh it box cars that manufacturers make no money on buyers will go up scale to something comfortable because they can now afford to drive. Might even buy something while they are out driving around.

Debt is never good. don't matter how much lipstick you apply.
 

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I like Jerry Agar, Brian Liley byline , Michel Coren and as for Ezra Levant..... after 15 minutes starts repeating himself so I switch to o'Reilley factor or something else...CNN or whatever............

If I were to pick a conservative pundit, Jerry Agar's not so bad.

He still has that fevered 'gubmint don't tell me what to do' ego that is the undoing of most cons, but otherwise he can be remarkably logical for a con.
 

coldstream

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Neo-conservatism is not libertarianism. Read a book.

The Reform Party.. and its successor the Alliance Party were populist, anti-federalist and for a balkanized Canada primarily governed at the provincial level. They were the equivalent of the States Rights parties in the States.

It's policies were directly against government regulation of trade, progressive taxation, industrial agency, and programs aimed at equitable distribution of wealth. The would find a direct corollory in the Tea Party in the States. Both were far more representative of cutural libertarianism than conservatism. That is the definition of neo-conservatism.

The shotgun wedding between Reform and the Progressive Conservatives was never a stable one. In fact in original platforms they were fundamentally antithetical political philosophies. And it is no surprise that seething divisions have developed within the Party that will inevitably tear it in two.
 
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Retired_Can_Soldier

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The Reform Party.. and its successor the Alliance Party were populist, anti-federalist and for a balkanized Canada primarily governed at the provincial level. They were the equivalent of the States Rights parties in the States.

It's policies were directly against government regulation of trade, progressive taxation, industrial agency, and programs aimed at equitable distribution of wealth. The would find a direct corollory in the Tea Party in the States. Both were far more representative of cutural libertarianism than conservatism. That is the definition of neo-conservatism.

The shotgun wedding between Reform and the Progressive Conservatives was never a stable one. In fact in original platforms they were fundamentally antithetical political philosophies. And it is no surprise that seething divisions have developed within the Party that will inevitably tear it in two.

I see there are still some die hard Joe Who survivors who never got over the fact that BM decimated the party, splittiing it between Reform and Bloc and unable to come to terms with the fact that the only way to unseat the corrupt Liberals was to put away their pride and arrogance and unite. Thank gosh.

I'd vote for a Conservative Party led by Preston Manning tomorrow. He waas a stand up fellow, unafraid to laugh at himself unlike that pompous windbag Joe Clark.

If I were to pick a conservative pundit, Jerry Agar's not so bad.

I wouldn't touch Jerry Agar with a ten foot pole. He's a Canadian version of Glenn Beck.