Religious extremism main cause of terrorism, according to report

[MHz]

You've got to be kidding. From the courses on the langauge of persuasion in advertising to outright political propaganda there is an entire industry devoted to the study, production and dissemination of "truth" and in fact, there is zero evidence that language and it's use does not manipulate perspective.

Colpy's car analogy is pretty much bang on.

English is especially easy to have the same words have multiple meaning based on what is said just before or after. If the US puts out that Iraq will see American boots on the ground and ISIS will never get nukes then that would mean is ISIS is actually supposed to end up with a kingdom that no American boots will be on the ground in Iraq and they will be allowed a nuke. It could be a year before the answer to that is available. Israel would back that up as Iran would be a threat to them.

Saudi banks have a lot more loot that Iraqi one, I repeat, Saudi banks have a lot more loot than Iraqi banks and Gaddafi was loved by his people, all of whom had a middle income lifestyle even before getting a job with that free university course. That sort of abuse will keep you in power a lot longer than 40 years and I assume 'their plans' are a sighted on things further down the line.

That would also mean all the headlines out of Europe are fake and the sanctions on Russia were an announcement that production was going to get a lot slower this winter, Russia just happened to be first and the rest of Europe experiencing the same slowdown can say it is because of the 'sanctions' when the 'sanctions' are the PR put forward. The PR value is the leaders look like they are 'in charge' rather than reading their part in a 'fairy tale' so they don't look like they are being over-paid for the 'work they do'. Even I will admit that keeping the world back from the brink of another WW is worth a pay raise while open hands and closed mouths when it comes to having an anser of why industry is shutting down during the time they can make items at the cheapest cost. Russia gets Crimea with no 10 year terrorism clause attached for their part in not spilling the beans. (which they did anyway, lol)

 

[mentalfloss]

I gave you the evidence in a list of terror attacks in 2013, but you chose to ignore it.

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

2014.11.21 (Zab, Iraq) - ISIS beheads two people at a market after accusing them of apostasy. 2014.11.19 (Azaya Kura, Nigeria) - Forty-five villagers are slaughtered by armed Islamists, who tied the victims and slit their throats. 2014.11.19 (Erbil, Iraq) - A suicide bomber takes out five Kurdish 'apostates'. 2014.11.18 (Nasti Kot, Pakistan) - An 11-year-old boy is among two killed when the Taliban bomb a school bus carrying Shia students. 2014.11.18 (Jerusalem, Israel) - Three Americans are among four rabbis and a guard, who are hacked to death at a synagogue by two Palestinian terrorists with axes shouting praises to Allah. 2014.11.17 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - A Somali-American engineer is shot by al-Shabaab while working on a sanitation project.
Kenya bus attack: Al-Shabaab militants kill 28 non-Muslims who failed to recite Koran - Africa - World - The Independent

That is an incomplete list covering FIVE DAYS.


Weekly Jihad Report
Nov 08 - Nov 14

Jihad Attacks:

76​

Allah Akbars*:

14​

Dead Bodies:

646​

Critically Injured:

606
Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

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*Suicide Attacks

How is this garbage evidence that using the term 'religious' instead of 'Islamic' provokes more terrorism from Islam?

 

[grainfedpraiboy]

Who funds arms and provides medical care to the mercenary western army of ISIS? The ideology of the wealthy is war for more. State terrorism exceeds amateur terrorism by a factor of 1000 easily. Those with money power make the rules.

Are you talking state funded terrorism like Iran's Hezbollah or more like the leftwing interpretation of the American CIA? Either way they are predominately political in nature.

This discussion is about "religious" extremism and by extension terrorism. Money is not at the root of either political or religious terrorism. Money is at the root of criminal terrorism such as Mexican drug cartels.

 

[Colpy]

How is this garbage evidence that using the term 'religious' instead of 'Islamic' provokes more terrorism from Islam?

Excuse me??

You need to snuff out the joint, my friend, you are no longer dealing with reality.

At least I hope it is a joint!

WHERE did I say "using the term 'religious' instead of 'Islamic' provokes more terrorism from Islam"?

Really, that's twice now in the last few posts you have spouted off about something I never said.

 

[MHz]

Are you talking state funded terrorism like Iran's Hezbollah or more like the leftwing interpretation of the American CIA? Either way they are predominately political in nature.

This discussion is about "religious" extremism and by extension terrorism. Money is not at the root of either political or religious terrorism. Money is at the root of criminal terrorism such as Mexican drug cartels.

They are from Lebannon, they are also a political party there so they are publicly funded, like all governments.Only over there can not attacking somebody be considered to be an act of terrorism.
Isreal is the ones setting up field hospitals in the Golan Heights for rebel fighters fighting against the elected Government of Syria. When Hezbollah won that election a few years back did you notice how quickly the terrorist label was removed. That little event also parked the STL court case for almost 2 years.

 

[mentalfloss]

Excuse me??

You need to snuff out the joint, my friend, you are no longer dealing with reality.

At least I hope it is a joint!

WHERE did I say "using the term 'religious' instead of 'Islamic' provokes more terrorism from Islam"?

Really, that's twice now in the last few posts you have spouted off about something I never said.

Slightly misleading headline.......

To which I replied that religious extremism is appropriate and that's when you went bat**** insane on me about political correctness and your invalid tirade about its harmful effect on society.

 

[MHz]

At least I hope it is a joint!

WHERE did I say "using the term 'religious' instead of 'Islamic' provokes more terrorism from Islam"?

Really, that's twice now in the last few posts you have spouted off about something I never said.

How big is that hammer you use on your head, 5lber at least. Does the term Christian extremism cause a Christian to have emotional at a higher level than the terms Islamic extremism of Jewish extremism? Please respond before your brain is fully dust.

 

[darkbeaver]

Are you talking state funded terrorism like Iran's Hezbollah or more like the leftwing interpretation of the American CIA? Either way they are predominately political in nature.

This discussion is about "religious" extremism and by extension terrorism. Money is not at the root of either political or religious terrorism. Money is at the root of criminal terrorism such as Mexican drug cartels.

OK religious extremism is the main cause of religious terrorism, but state terrorism is still the greatest global source of terrorism. We would have your definition of terrorism please. And was this past summers Israeli terrorism on Gazans, state or religious terrorism?

 

[grainfedpraiboy]

was this past summers Israeli terrorism on Gazans, state or religious terrorism?

The Israeli military response last summer was a defensive and security response to a series of acts of aggression and future threats by the Palestinians and does not constitute terrorism. Neither does the Russian involvement in Ukraine. Neither do the NATO attacks against ISIS. These are closer to the definition of war whereby one state wishes to impose it's will upon another through force.

However, the current Israeli response to destroying the homes and evicting the families of those who are suspected of attacking it would be a clear act and good example of terrorism by a state.

 

[Colpy]

To which I replied that religious extremism is appropriate and that's when you went bat**** insane on me about political correctness and your invalid tirade about its harmful effect on society.

Because using the phrase "religious extremism" is misleading, as it is NOT all religions that are the problem, it is ISLAM that is the problem.

One simply reading only the headline, as many do, would be led to believe that Baptists are murdering Jews in their synagogues, Buddhists are pulling people off of buses and killing them if they can't recite the Three Pillars, Hindus are beheading people for apostasy, and the Catholics are blowing themselves up in Protestant areas, .....just to use examples from the past three weeks.

But they aren't, are they.

No, they are not.

Muslims are.

So the headline is, as I said, misleading.

 

[MHz]

Because using the phrase "religious extremism" is misleading, as it is NOT all religions that are the problem, it is ISLAM that is the problem..

Could them dieing by 1 million more than the million that have already died at the hands of the West satisfy your blood-lust Coly? or would it take all 1.2 billion before you morality would kick in declare all your enemies are in the grave?

 

[darkbeaver]

The Israeli military response last summer was a defensive and security response to a series of acts of aggression and future threats by the Palestinians and does not constitute terrorism. Neither does the Russian involvement in Ukraine. Neither do the NATO attacks against ISIS. These are closer to the definition of war whereby one state wishes to impose it's will upon another through force.

However, the current Israeli response to destroying the homes and evicting the families of those who are suspected of attacking it would be a clear act and good example of terrorism by a state.

It's not easy to arrive at a clear definition of terrorism is it? Many of those Gazans killed in that defensive attack clearly could not have been terrorists nor even suspects. War is a clear act of terrorism and if you can remove the terror from the act you don't have much of a bloody war do you?

 

[grainfedpraiboy]

It's not easy to arrive at a clear definition of terrorism is it? Many of those Gazans killed in that defensive attack clearly could not have been terrorists nor even suspects. War is a clear act of terrorism and if you can remove the terror from the act you don't have much of a bloody war do you?

Collateral damage in war and civilian casualties are not by any normal definition "terrorism". And while the proliferation of radical Islam on multiple levels has made defining terrorism a little less straight forward than in say.... the 1970s, by and large it is generally acknowledged by most people that an act of terrorism is a group against the state rather than the state against a group.

War between states is not and has never been an act of terrorism. It is a mechanism for projecting power and influence and imposing national will over another. War within a state has a similar definition but is between groups or the state and a group.

While war may be terrorising it is not terrorism.

 

[darkbeaver]

Religion is philosophy in the ancient meaning of the word, and philosophy often becomes ideology and the ideology behind the New American Century easily fits the definition of religion and that religion is the terrorist ideology of imperialism.

Collateral damage in war and civilian casualties are not by any normal definition "terrorism". And while the proliferation of radical Islam on multiple levels has made defining terrorism a little less straight forward than in say.... the 1970s, by and large it is generally acknowledged by most people that an act of terrorism is a group against the state rather than the state against a group.

War between states is not and has never been an act of terrorism. It is a mechanism for projecting power and influence and imposing national will over another. War within a state has a similar definition but is between groups or the state and a group.

While war may be terrorising it is not terrorism.

What 'normal definition" supports wholesale acts of terror as a rule not as accident and yet is not terrorism. I say we have acepeted an abnormal definition of what is normally terrorism and because it is us comiting the acts we paint them as noble and defensive engagements to preserve our noble ways of life. The whole subject of terrorism deserves absolute objectivity something impossible without distance.

 

[DaSleeper]

Because using the phrase "religious extremism" is misleading, as it is NOT all religions that are the problem, it is ISLAM that is the problem.

One simply reading only the headline, as many do, would be led to believe that Baptists are murdering Jews in their synagogues, Buddhists are pulling people off of buses and killing them if they can't recite the Three Pillars, Hindus are beheading people for apostasy, and the Catholics are blowing themselves up in Protestant areas, .....just to use examples from the past three weeks.

But they aren't, are they.

No, they are not.

Muslims are.

So the headline is, as I said, misleading.

The way Flossy posts reminds me of this joke I'm sure has been posted before ......

A Harley rider is passing the National Zoo in Washington, DC when he sees a little girl leaning into the lion’s cage.
Suddenly, a huge, hungry lion reaches out and grabs her by the cuff of her jacket and tries to pull her inside his cage.
The biker jumps off his Harley, sprints past the little girl’s screaming parents to the cage and punches the lion square on the nose.


The stunned lion releases the little girl and staggers backward, whimpering in pain. The biker snatches the little girl back to safety and returns her to her terrified parents who thank him endlessly.
A reporter for the Washington Post witnessed the whole event. “Sir,” he says to the Harley rider, “that was the bravest, most gallant thing I’ve seen a man do in my entire life.’


“Why, it was nothing, really,” says the Harley rider modestly. “The lion was behind bars. I saw this little girl in danger and I just reacted instinctively.”
“Well, I’ll make sure your heroism won’t go unnoticed,” the reporter responds. “I’m a reporter for the Washington Post and I’ll make sure this story is on the front page of tomorrow’s paper. Tell me what do you do for a living and what political affiliation is.”


“I’m a U.S. Marine,” the biker says proudly, “and a Republican.”
The journalist leaves.
The following morning the biker buys the Washington Post to see news of his actions and sees this headline on the front page:


US MARINE ASSAULTS AFRICAN IMMIGRANT AND STEALS HIS LUNCH
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[darkbeaver]

Yeah it's funny but not.

 

[Sparrow]

Really?

You perhaps failed to notice that the majority of terror attacks on the planet are done by four groups, all of which are followers of Islam?

List of terrorist incidents, January–June 2013 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of terrorist incidents, July–December 2013 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go ahead.

Find me a terrorist attack due to religious extremism OTHER than Islamic.

I didn't look all the way through. but I'll make you a wager.......

The Roman Catholic Church, crusades and inquisition.

 

[grainfedpraiboy]

Religion is philosophy in the ancient meaning of the word, and philosophy often becomes ideology and the ideology behind the New American Century easily fits the definition of religion and that religion is the terrorist ideology of imperialism.

Imperialism is not by definition terrorism because to accept it as such then we have to lump Coke, McDonalds, and the Simpsons as a form of terrorism because of it's cultural imperialism. That debases what terrorism means much like calling the factory farming of chickens genocide or a conservative government you don't care for Nazis.

What 'normal definition" supports wholesale acts of terror as a rule not as accident and yet is not terrorism. I say we have accepeted an abnormal definition of what is normally terrorism.

Terrorism is always deliberate and calculated. I have never heard the concept of accidental terrorism before you.

 

[darkbeaver]

Collateral damage in war and civilian casualties are not by any normal definition "terrorism". And while the proliferation of radical Islam on multiple levels has made defining terrorism a little less straight forward than in say.... the 1970s, by and large it is generally acknowledged by most people that an act of terrorism is a group against the state rather than the state against a group.

War between states is not and has never been an act of terrorism. It is a mechanism for projecting power and influence and imposing national will over another. War within a state has a similar definition but is between groups or the state and a group.

While war may be terrorising it is not terrorism.

What is terrorism? The exact same acts by two conflicting sides the deaths on one side are acts of murderous terrorism and the exact same acts of the other are collateral damage. I can count a hundred acts of terrorism painted as the spread of democracy. Terrorism and war are exactly the same thing viewed impartially. Is economics war?

Imperialism is not by definition terrorism because to accept it as such then we have to lump Coke, McDonalds, and the Simpsons as a form of terrorism because of it's cultural imperialism. That debases what terrorism means much like calling the factory farming of chickens genocide or a conservative government you don't care for Nazis.
Terrorism is always deliberate and calculated. I have never heard the concept of accidental terrorism before you.

Imperialism is always deliberate and calculated. Accidental terrorism is accidental collateral damage. The whole point of war is to terrify the enemy into submission. Terrorism will be employed to this end inevitably. How can a human be terrorized without the employment of terror which requires personell trained in terrorism.

 

[Walter]

To add , and recruit the poor , the uneducated the easily manipulated to do their work for them also.

Which of the "fly-boys" on 9-11 were poor and uneducated; none.