Thank you Stephen Harper

taxslave

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There's no point in towing the subs to Edmonton unless we have assurances the cannon in the Mall won't be turned against our vessels,
you know them westerners are itchin to leave the Confederation.



I can't remember it's blunder # 7 million and forty two at least, what I'd like to know is why we've been unable to scrap the junk. If we're going to waste the money anyway wouldn't it be more efficcient to just burn it, at least there'd be lots of smoke.
Some of those in power don't want to embarrass queenie by junking her expensive gifts to the colony.
 

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I don't know if you were addressing me. If so, my point was simply that we ought to be as critical of our actions as those others. On-reserve schools continue to be underfunded and we have yet to fully implement the recommendations of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada among other human rights violations. It's difficult to take someone seriously when he criticizes other countries while turning a blind eye to his own. However correct his criticism may be, it's undermined by what's happening in our own backyard.

No I wasn't.
 

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Putin IS coming for the Arctic. He has said so.

Nato put on high alert after Putin looks to Arctic for Russia's next move | World | News | Daily Express

Harper needs to speak harshly, to make it clear we will not stand by and watch the psycho Putin gobble up one square inch of Canada's sovereign territory.

You don't do that by being polite.

to date, Russia has followed all UN/International law requirements in it's legal pursuit of disputed continental shelf areas of the Arctic... as have all other countries involved in making territorial claims. What Russia has done is put forward significant scientific expeditions in support of its claims. What Russia has done is invest heavily in new ports and upgrades to existing ports in anticipation of the ice-free Northern Route along with major infrastructure development in roads/support to those ports.

since Harper is your guy, tell me, just what has Harper done in support of Canadian Arctic sovereignty... other than make a lot of promises along with his yearly photo-op trips?
 

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to date, Russia has followed all UN/International law requirements in it's legal pursuit of disputed continental shelf areas of the Arctic... as have all other countries involved in making territorial claims. What Russia has done is put forward significant scientific expeditions in support of its claims. What Russia has done is invest heavily in new ports and upgrades to existing ports in anticipation of the ice-free Northern Route along with major infrastructure development in roads/support to those ports.

since Harper is your guy, tell me, just what has Harper done in support of Canadian Arctic sovereignty... other than make a lot of promises along with his yearly photo-op trips?

Not nearly enough.

Now, you tell me, would you support a plan to build Canadian military bases in the arctic, and to buy the equipment necessary to enforce our sovereignty there?
 

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Not nearly enough.

Now, you tell me, would you support a plan to build Canadian military bases in the arctic, and to buy the equipment necessary to enforce our sovereignty there?

enforced sovereignty? International law dictates existing boundaries/claims... again, the only outstanding to be determined boundaries reflect upon "who owns" territorial rights to the depths of continental shelves. And, again, in that regard, all countries are following the established process bringing forward respective claims (and scientific support for those claims) to the UN... decisions will be made on these claims and they will, in turn, be reflected within international law.

what I would support is expenditure focused on ice-breakers, search and rescue, and drone surveilance... with whatever military base requirement flows from that. In terms of "enforced sovereignty", I would defer to international law as the mechanism to speak to enforcement in that regard. So long as Canada is a NATO member, and meets it's obligations to NATO, you'll need to describe a scenario to me that would dictate a "Canadian only" enforcement action of some breach to international law, one that would rise to the level of required military engagement. And..... uhhhh... I guess so long as its not the U.S. breaking international law concerning "Canadian sovereignty"... I guess there's always NORAD, right? :lol:
 

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is Steve getting a "bum wrap"... is Baird doing the wrapping?

 

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enforced sovereignty? International law dictates existing boundaries/claims... again, the only outstanding to be determined boundaries reflect upon "who owns" territorial rights to the depths of continental shelves. And, again, in that regard, all countries are following the established process bringing forward respective claims (and scientific support for those claims) to the UN... decisions will be made on these claims and they will, in turn, be reflected within international law.

what I would support is expenditure focused on ice-breakers, search and rescue, and drone surveilance... with whatever military base requirement flows from that. In terms of "enforced sovereignty", I would defer to international law as the mechanism to speak to enforcement in that regard. So long as Canada is a NATO member, and meets it's obligations to NATO, you'll need to describe a scenario to me that would dictate a "Canadian only" enforcement action of some breach to international law, one that would rise to the level of required military engagement. And..... uhhhh... I guess so long as its not the U.S. breaking international law concerning "Canadian sovereignty"... I guess there's always NORAD, right? :lol:

There is NO dispute. We own everything from a line 200 miles off Newfoundland to the North Pole in the East and a line up the Yukon/Alaska boarder in the west. What the UN or anyone else may think of that is totally irrelevant.
 

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There is NO dispute. We own everything from a line 200 miles off Newfoundland to the North Pole in the East and a line up the Yukon/Alaska boarder in the west. What the UN or anyone else may think of that is totally irrelevant.

you should update Harper cause he's spending/spent a brazillion dollars in preparing Canada's submission before the UN... as have all other countries interested in asserting their sovereignty claims, particularly as relates to sea-bed claims on extended under-water shelves/ridges. Ultimately, the results of the UN decision-making process will reflect upon International Law.

as for the North Pole, as much as Harper regularly trots it out as an iconic symbol of "Canada's North"... it belongs to Denmark and this latest process will only reaffirm that: The North Pole is a distraction
Although Canada has rights over extensive areas of seabed elsewhere in the Arctic Ocean, it has no basis for a claim at the North Pole. This is because international law uses the “equidistance” principle to delimit maritime boundaries. According to this principle, boundaries between adjacent coastal states are drawn along a line, every point of which is an equal distance from the respective shores.

In 2012, Canada and Denmark used the equidistance principle to delimit a boundary 200 nautical miles into the Lincoln Sea, north of Canada’s Ellesmere Island and Denmark’s Greenland.

Although the boundary does not extend beyond 200 nautical miles, the principle of equidistance will serve as the basis for an eventual agreement separating rights beyond this point.

Like it or not, the North Pole falls on the Danish side of the equidistance line – it will never be Canadian.