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If He is interested in keeping a person safe then the instruction would be quite detaile. That there is a child of the light and one of thr darkness suggest the same thing. A child of the light knows there will be a deceptional return before the actual one. The children of the darkness don't know that part. Knowing all the nitty gritty details is possible, it is not a demand as touching on the saved part.
This sounds like it might touch on the trinity theory so this might be part of what would be an appropriate reply that touches on that to a small degree. I hope you know that 'my version' end up being universal salvation so when I am saying your version is in error it only means the timing is different. That being said everything is going to be different starting with this topic. If you took Ge:1-3 and Re:20:22 you would have the beginning and end of this earth and the introduction of another earth existing and people from this earth enter that place.
In Ge:3:15 we are told about two bruises that will happen, as it turns out the rest of the bible is dedicated to the prophecy and deeds associated with those two bruises. Ge:3:15 is a single vers, Re:12 is a single chapter that references that single verse. The first woman mentioned is Eve and the pain associated with birth is mentioned. The next woman is Mary, the mother of Jesus and she is the 'seed of Eve' that will take a bruise to the heel. The cross is mentioned and that is the heel bruise in reality. The last woman in that chapter are the people that will be the ones most affected in the last years, Gentiles. The 144,000 are sealed before any trumps sound and 3 1/2 years later the 2 witnesses are killed in Jerusalem. For the next 3 1/2 days it is known as Satan's Babylon in prophecy, on the day the two witnesses are resurrected all the vials are poured out on Satan. In the last few hours of the afternoon all the people needing resurrection from the grave will experience that event. The two witnesses see this from straight above, the 144,000 se it from the mountain that Moses and Elias were seen on in a vision. The 1/3 of all the Gentiles that remain alive get to walk to Jerusalem and that is so they can be witnesses to the total destruction that came with the return. They are joined by other Gentiles dating back to Act:10 when Gentiles came to be under the judgment of the two Laws. The 7 letters could have been handed out at that time and the effect as they are today. Revelation was intentionally the last book written and if a person had to be in the grave by the age of 120 then 100AD is a date that works and the ones defined would be all Gentiles as Rome is clearly pointed out as they owned the spears on the day of the cross.
Re:1:7:
Behold,
he cometh with clouds;
and every eye shall see him,
and they also which pierced him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so,
Amen.
The text for the Churches points to the letters being for the heads of the churches, 7 angels. Those angels are said to preach the Gospel to people only in the time just before Satan's Babylon is melted. The stars in His hand are the same lamps that are in the throne vision. They have not been gathered, the 24 Elders there have been gathered and they would be the OT Saints that came out of the grave the same morning as Jesus did. They all ascended to that Temple and were glorified and only Jesus returned. Those Saints will have thrones on earth during the 1,000 year reign.
Ge:1 introduces God and the Holy Spirit, they are the 'us' in the verse about man being made in the image and likeness of God. The Holy Spirit is the equal of Eve and their duties are the same. God speaks and the Holy Spirit make the words real. In a family Adam would speak and Eve would make the words become real. In that respect Ge:1 is creation as view by Gos, singular. Ge:2 is creation as viewed by the Holy Spirit, singular. You haven't read Christ's witness for that event (in all likely hood) so it is posted below. If it makes Christ sound like a snall child then you are getting the right version. It is in terms of knowledge when you are a perfected being. By the time the passage ends He has enough authority from god to send angels to the fiery lake so any judment determined for men will also stand. The task in the 1,000 years is to turn the re:20:4 crowd into perfected men so they can survive the fire that sends Satan to the lake. So far the 24 Elders have been getting 2,000 years of instruction and if they are from before the flood they have close to another 1,000 years in terms of 'wisdom'. Christ's wisdom goes further back than that.
Proverb:8:22-36:
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way,
before his works of old.
I was set up from everlasting,
from the beginning,
or ever the earth was.
When there were no depths,
I was brought forth;
when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Before the mountains were settled,
before the hills was I brought forth:
While as yet he had not made the earth,
nor the fields,
nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
When he prepared the heavens,
I was there:
when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
When he established the clouds above:
when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
When he gave to the sea his decree,
that the waters should not pass his commandment:
when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Then I was by him, as one brought up with him:
and I was daily his delight,
rejoicing always before him;
Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth;
and my delights were with the sons of men.
Now therefore hearken unto me,
O ye children:
for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Hear instruction,
and be wise,
and refuse it not.
Blessed is the man that heareth me,
watching daily at my gates,
waiting at the posts of my doors.
For whoso findeth me findeth life,
and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul:
all they that hate me love death.
Yes, ... The first church is facing judgment before the text is available. A flaw like that makes the rest suspect also, let alone the obvious date setting angle. Just in time to be saved if you join and donate to such and such a church. The map above would only have one available today so the leaving your first love condemnation of the 2nd church could never happen, yet many people love just material things more than God let alone the various fan clubs. The end dates should have been the time of rewards and punishments yet the 144,000 are called the first-fruits as they represent the whole House of Israel and the Gentile that are the 'remnant of the Nations is the whole 7 Churches being judged and gathered all at the same time. First all sinners are sent to the grave.
When God speaks He is in the 3rd Heaven, the same place the Great White Throne wll take place. The Holy Spirit is always with God so she is also at home their, so is their begotten child, Christ.
2Co:12:2:
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body,
I cannot tell;
or whether out of the body,
I cannot tell:
God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.
Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
1Jo:5:7:
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father,
the Word,
and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.
God made Jesus 'the WORD' in the vision with the 'Hear Him.' statement (also fits the Proverbs:8 ending)
Now when you read the beginning of the Gospel of John (te Baptist) you can read it as John being a witness to called Him to be a witness. John was the last OR Prophet called by God and as such John would have referenced the one called God in Ge:1:1, the beginning verse. Bacin in that chapter God was the speaker and the Holy Spirir was the 'doer', at the return Christ as a certain amount of authority tyat lets him speak and the Holy Spirit will obey the words spoken.
1Co:15:23-28:
But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end,
when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,
even the Father;
when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign,
till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
he last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
For he hath put all things under his feet.
But when he saith all things are put under him,
it is manifest that he is excepted,
which did put all things under him.
And when all things shall be subdued unto him,
then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him,
that God may be all in all.
The traileer people need more help than Wall St. Not hard to tell who is goint to get spanked harder.
Lu:12:47:
And that servant,
which knew his lord's will,
and prepared not himself,
neither did according to his will,
shall be beaten with many stripes.
Lu:12:48:
But he that knew not,
and did commit things worthy of stripes,
shall be beaten with few stripes.
For unto whomsoever much is given,
of him shall be much required:
and to whom men have committed much,
of him they will ask the more.
M't:5:3:
Blessed are the poor in spirit:
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
M't:5:4:
Blessed are they that mourn:
for they shall be comforted.
M't:5:5:
Blessed are the meek:
for they shall inherit the earth.
M't:5:6:
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness:
for they shall be filled.
M't:5:7:
Blessed are the merciful:
for they shall obtain mercy.
M't:5:8:
Blessed are the pure in heart:
for they shall see God.
M't:5:9:
Blessed are the peacemakers:
for they shall be called the children of God.
M't:5:10:
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake:
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
M't:5:11:
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you,
and persecute you,
and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely,
for my sake.
Which one is the 3%ers?
I would genuinely like to respond, MH, but I am more than a little baffled by your writing style and Scripture references.
That is the time to slow me down by point to one specific thing I mentioned. Confusion has a start and going past that point is wasting your time. If you do have the time then the place to end that 'baffle part' is to clear things up before going any further. You would be acting as my 'spell-checker' in case my theory has missed a passage or two as that would alter the meaning. That being said if the errors are not there there the position I take is valid as far as the words in the book are concerned. I certainly didn't come to my view without doing a lot of reading in the book and this is a bit more important than just 'casual banter' in this place as covering the bible is a good part of wht I have as many trolls following me around as I do. This place isn't entirely filled with Christians either and to be quite truthful some of the church policies of the last 500 years should have been updated that long ago and, . . . still a work in progress.
The Church for all it's time/money/effort over the last 1500 years can't even say out loud who the Beloved Disciple is. Between you and me and the book it would take about 20 posts to show that she is the writer of the Gospel of John (the Baptist) and is the un-named one with Andrew when they saw Jesus come back from the 40 day fast. I'm quite serious when I say if they can't solve the first little puzzle in the book they should close it up an never open it again and walk away from being a teacher. In that short time it takes (with an e copy of the 1611 text) to find and read things you are able to study the texts a lot deeper than you can sitting and listening.
The NT gives us the sequence and time-line to the return and to a few years before that, the OT fills in all the blanks. If it doesn't then the way something is taken is in error rather than the book.
Here is an example of why I think anybody can read and understand the book better than they presently do is only because they try to understand it all in general instead of taking some parts like this and saying they are the same events or they are not. If not then further sorting is required. I tried to power read through Job and it was the most confusing thing I had ever come across. However there were other places like the NT where I could read and it was 'clearer' so I looked for those parts and read all I could finds and breezed over the stuff the was unclear. A few years later when I was trying to read Job again I could get further without it becoming confusing. I'm going to assume that all the reading between the two was the reason I could understand more of it. Finding the right parts is a lot harder than understanding them, an example is provided for 'my trolls' in that they all apply as I claim and if they do how could so many different writers cover the same event in such detail if God was not the author of the whole book.
Re:8:13:
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
saying with a loud voice,
Woe,
woe,
woe,
to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!
Psalms:33:14:
From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.
Isa:24:6:
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth,
and they that dwell therein are desolate:
therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned,
and few men left.
Isa:26:21:
For,
behold,
the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity:
the earth also shall disclose her blood,
and shall no more cover her slain.
Jer:25:29:
For,
lo,
I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name,
and should ye be utterly unpunished?
Ye shall not be unpunished:
for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth,
saith the LORD of hosts.
Jer:25:30:
Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words,
and say unto them,
The LORD shall roar from on high,
and utter his voice from his holy habitation;
he shall mightily roar upon his habitation;
he shall give a shout,
as they that tread the grapes,
against all the inhabitants of the earth.
Da:4:35:
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing:
and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven,
and among the inhabitants of the earth:
and none can stay his hand,
or say unto him,
What doest thou?
Unlike the mental qualification it takes to not believe any part meaning some 4B people have it all wrong.
The question that puzzles me the most about 'your kind' is that as firm non-believers I wonder what your mission is that would drag you down to visit the thread that you profess to hate so much. Should your 'advice' not be taken as being equal to a sermon as you seem to be trying to help others, a lot of others. Would they be lost without your guidance?
Why be sorry? I'm pretty sure that once a person has more answers about the Bible than questions that your 2 bits isn't much of a deterrent. Your eyes will be wide in surprise, mine won't be quite as wide.
Job:14:14:
If a man die,
shall he live again?
all the days of my appointed time will I wait,
till my change come.
Job:14:15:
Thou shalt call,
and I will answer thee:
thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.
This is as slow as I can go.
In the more than 400 years that the Bible has been been in English why has nobody been able to show who the Beloved Disciple is? (and who wrote what and when)
In the more than 400 years that the Bible has been been in English why has nobody been able to show who the Beloved Disciple is? (and who wrote what and when)
An IQ allows the brain to see something and then form various questions and answers about. Each person has an natural IQ that fluxuates with any given subject. Study is the cure for a low natural IQ and a studied man will have an IQ in that subject that far exceeds what his natural IQ was before any study and above the ones he didn't study for as well.
If my Bible IQ was based on 20 years of 'study' would my 'accurate knowledge' be increased at all or would it just get scrambled up?
That would also depend on how accurate the info is and if any updates would be needed down the road. One person might have to update something unless he gets perfect knowledge at the start every time, not likely. The test of time is one factor about knowledge, if it is accurate no updates come along, if it is flawed and it is studied the updates are needed, if none are made then that is a flaw by itself because we are not in a perfect world. We are in a very controlled world.
The Bible says wherever two or three are gathered that He will be there also. The book is the quotes that give him a voice rather than us pretending we speak for what the book covers. Next thing you end up with new and improved books that makes finding God easier. I'm quite happy with the route I'm on and it had a beginning but not one real step was made by closing the quotes.
Is that a goal you set for yourself, prove me wrong? You won't even let me get all the differences out so you know what needs correcting. Nobody does that though, the 'solution is close the book'. I can see why you did close it, however I kept reading and later rather than sooner pits fell together in a way is 'quite different' from what is preached. You admit they have it wrong but you refuse to believe that anybody other than you can get it right. To do that I would have to take you down my twisted path, . . . backwards. Why bother, if it was the first time I would be all over it, as a repeat thing, no thanks.
BTW the repeat is a simple question was asked and your replay was anyplace but about a 'reasonable answer'.
Depends on whether or not the Spirit of God is involved in our knowledge acquisition, MH.
"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." (1 Corinthians 2:154 NIV)
There isn't enough science in the Bible to pass a grade 6 science test. There isn't enough medical advice in the Bible to cure a common cold. There isn't enough history in the Bible to authenticate the events as historical facts. What you have in the bible is theological concepts that have been passed down as Christian liturgy.. No amount of study of the Bible can increase someone's IQ. The bible is not designed to be informative, the bible is designed to indoctrinate.
Christian intelligence is misleading because whatever a Christian has to say has already been said in the Bible. There are some 30,000 verses in the entire bible. But what is not said in the Bible is what Christians are ignorant about.
Christian intelligence is misleading because whatever a Christian has to say has already been said in the Bible. There are some 30,000 verses in the entire bible. But what is not said in the Bible is what Christians are ignorant about.
That is the same argument alright, it lacks the same proof also, 'we have' is not real solid evidence. The lengthy pre-face they left says there were original documents and it states that they translated the Greek into English and the Jews in Jerusalem translated the Hebrew into into English. If they did a sloppy job it would show up in others works, it doesn't so both groups are to be considered to be experts in their fields.
The bigger question is not how many copies of the 4 parts to the Gospel there were but were some of better quality than the others. If you follow a certain sequence it works that Luke has the directions for saying a prayer that is mentioned by Moses in a prophecy he gave in De:4. Saul would have been chosen for the task of reading the Gospel as he was a Jew who could read and write in Greek. The Apostles and the Beloved Disciple have been understanding all languages since Acts:2. Paul even says his letters that are sent to one place are to be copied and sent to all the other places so the NT is many accurate copies of the Gospel and the rest. The 4 individual parts are written by 4 different witnesses, for the Gospel of John the same writer that was not named in chapter 1 is the same writer that signed off in the last verse of the book. They are clearly saying they were there in persion in 30AD, by 300AD there should have been a 1,000 or more copies of that testimony. If not you shouldn't be a follower as that alone shows it to be a false Gospel. If the names listed are those of specific translators then reputation would be part of the value process. John was covered and the other 3 can be shown to be witnesses of Peter, James and his brother John. All 3 saw two special events and those 3 books cover those secret events in the same detail, that of a witness. When Stephen was killed it said all the Apostles stayed in Jerusalem, that would fit in nicely with the prophecy that is in Luke:21:21-24 that is about what the Apostles would experience while in Jerusalem for the scattering of 70AD which is the one that is mentioned in De:4. If that was a vocal teaching that is fine but Paul and the Beloved Disciple would have had the written words as it was being taken to the Greeks (via the Priests from the Synagogues in the various Nations)
A part like this would not be included in the text of a liar. Of the 4 Gospels only the version in John is that of an eye-witness and the versions given by the 3 Apostles are from the witness of other women, the same mother for two and Mary M. when Peter is the Apostle. (maybe they are the 'item' that is so talked about as Jesus is dedicated to the Beloved Disciple, she was purified when Jesus first met her. The RCC would be calling Peter their father and going by the letter of the text, the vision from Jesus in Acts:10 has him being the first to talk to any Gentile about God. Mary M. could Mary him and God would allow it as she was purified of her demons. The Mary that Jesus was in love with was purified by John the Baptist, in John:11 she makes Jesus cry in public because she is mad that He wasted any days in coming to help Lazarus and his death she puts squarely on his shoulders, in public the second she saw him. Anybody from the west that has read a romance novel or heard of a soap opera would understand all that on just the first box of popcorn. That gives Jesus and Peter a wife when the 1,000 years starts. The verse that Mary M. is introduced in has two other female names of women who had been purified and that would be the wives of the other Apostles that are writers of Scripture for God.
The OT is a bit like that in that the detail is some fine that you think of it as droning on and on and on and that is even before you start flipping back and forth between them. Then it is a case of 100 'not relevant' for every 'finally'. Today all those 'false trails' is information that is valuable to a different subject so if you can remember the general context of the verse (to discard it you have to) then just finding it again is all you need to support the topic it does apply to. Some of the stuff needs a base before it's meaning comes as quick as the parts that 'are easy'. The original reading is enough that you can put it with the correct bruise, from there it won't fit in anyplace but the right place.
Spoiler Alert, the 24 passages in the OT that have the term 'day of the lord' in them are the base passages for understanding what the bruise to the head looks like in prophecy. That you can have the 1611 text on your desktop means finding them and going to the references and reading the chapter they come from can be done in less than an hour.
If that is too much work the 'get off my cloud' as discussion about how they fit and don't fit, it is part of the child of light verses. The discussion should last longer than 1 hour btw.
The lack of quality words do fit, all other English Bibles except that 1611KJV, copyright laws demand it be different of they can't be sold for money that doesn't go to the Crown. Change it and then complain that the Texts are corrupt is the insane part, if that isn't clear to you pointing it out isn't going to rectify the situation, all it will do is shine a light on where you are standing in relation to the insanity line.
How about grade 60? True or false, America developed the A-bomb in secret by making the big project the result of it being made into many smaller projects. God made the Bible a bit confusing as he took the overall picture and made it 66 different pictures that were given out to us by 60 different mailmen in that many different centuries.
Science of the old earth creation theory where the base number is when they left the garden area, rather when the garden left them as the two swords were heat and wind and it turned a body of fresh water into what we call the Dead Sea. The part I want to highlight is the creation dates and day 1 was further back in historical time than day 4 which is when time was created.
day 1 ends = 4,000,000,000BC light (from the sun) is created and earth has it's first day/night cycle
day 2 ends = 400,000,000BC water is created in liquid and vapor form
day 3 ends = 40,000,000BC forests exist
day 4 ends = 4,000,000BC time is created
4BYA the length of a day was 6 hrs, 4MYA is was at the 24 hours we know it as today, that is backed up by science and the creation of the moon theory. The Bible also gives some dates in the NT that could be shown that in 3.6B years the earth is going to experience being melted by the heat.
The creation sequence is better when you use the bible as it goes from molten rock to having water cool things down (starting at the mountain tops rather that the bottom of the oceans) and then forests and then seas and then land animals. Plants make 02 for land animals, plant decay and bird crap makes food for life that lives in water. 3 species that adapted from that start. ( a forest is 12 trees in other verses) That also gives millions of years for a bird to adopt to flying in water to become the whales of today.
Other pieces has Job saying the earth hangs on nothing so there are other examples available. As it is, powers of 10 on page one is pretty impressive just by that.
Would referencing a verse as a rebuttal to 24 verses be an example of the short coming of the one church this is applied to? " for thou hast a little strength" as being the doctrine proposed isn't one that allows any deep investigation as conflicts happen early on. One that has fewer conflicts is the more accurate one if the bible comes from God, if it doesn't it is a better paperweight than book of instructions?
Perhaps you need to change the line to, 'I got lost on the 3rd page, I'll wait for the movie.' (rather than you being 10x smarter that the God in the Bible) How many people have you converted (saved for lack of a better term) with it?
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The Bible begins with a below grade 6 science understanding. It begins by saying God made light on the first day. He called light day and darkness night. But there was no light only darkness for the first three days because God only made the sun, moon and stars on the 4th day. There could be no light, night or day before God created the Sun.
Do the heavens need light? No so according to Genesis. So what lights the heavens? The same sun,moon and stars.
They do also give light upon the earth - That we may walk te>John 11:9 and work John 9:4 according as the duty of every day requires. The lights of heaven do not shine for themselves, nor for the world of spirits above, they need them not; but they shine for us, and for our pleasure and advantage. Lord, what is man that he should be thus regarded, Psalms 8:3,4.
In particular, Genesis 1:16,17,18, The lights of heaven are thesun, moon and stars, (my note: which was only created on the 4th day) and these all are the work of God's hands.
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In describing his vision of a new heaven, new earth and the new Jerusalem (city), the apostle John states:
"The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp." (Revelation 21:23 NIV)
The verses reveal much of what was created was done in darkness because the sun and stars were only created on the 4 day.
That's almost certainly a different John, not one of the apostles, probably writing during the time of Emperor Domitian's widespread persecutions, around A.D. 95.
"Oh God, you are so big, so absolutely huge, my gosh, we are all so very impressed down here." - Monty Python