I think you are getting closer to explaining you pov, however, i still can't figure out your rationale. Ofcourse, the US has more deaths, they have a higher rate, as well as a higher population. But i don't see how a direct comparison between 44k deathes and 1200 deathes is logical. Pleasee explain
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I think you are getting closer to explaining you pov, however, i still can't figure out your rationale. Ofcourse, the US has more deaths, they have a higher rate, as well as a higher population. But i don't see how a direct comparison between 44k deathes and 1200 deathes is logical. Pleasee explain
Here's an update on the Shaneen Allen case, Colpy, in case you're still pretending to care.
Shaneen Allen’s prosecutor might be having second thoughts - The Washington Post
Shaneen Allen’s prosecutor might be having second thoughts - The Washington Post
I'll save a legal argument for some other post. A minimum sentence of 3 1/3 yrs in jail just doesn't sound like appropriate sentence for this lady under these circumstances.
Consider this, if see had been followed by 1000 women in cars all making the same mistake( very hypothetical, I know).....would the public interest be served by building a jail and locking up all 1000 women? ie who benefits from such a decision?
In that case, not only the district attorney should have showed common sense, but also the arresting officer...
Years ago when I had a wilderness carry permit, I was out all day prospecting, and upon coming back to my truck on my three wheeler,
there was an OPP car there....He was just checking because someone had reported a truck parked on that bush road all day.
When he finished helping me put three wheeler in the back of my truck, I proceeded to remove and unload my .44 to put it in the locked carrying case, to legaly bring it home.
That's when he told me that it was against the law to have a loaded firearm on a motorized vehicle.
I then asked him, if that wasn't meant as a hunting regulation to give game a fair chance, and since I wasn't carrying to hunt there was a difference?
He looked at me and said as he was leaving, "I'll get back to you on this"
I never heard about it again! That's a common sense cop!
yep, and even though you might have been on the wrong side of the criminal code, no one gains by sending you to jail. All of those left wing pot smoking gun haters should have the balls to admit this.
Good.
Public attention achieves something....
I am a strong believer that intent should count for a lot in criminal prosecution, and this woman obviously had NO intent to do harm.
Sorry this post was for Colpy . Got interrupted as per usual. (Actually by a hunter who hunts off my land. He always leaves me some spoils every year)
Anyway Colpy:-
Exactly how would that have played out IF in that wild gun fight innocent by-standers were injured or killed?? Sorry but it is only money, and if the guns were not so easily obtainable, and they came in with a knife, if would be unlikely anyone would have been killed. Since most small shops with a single clerk has a video camera, the robbers would have been caught eventually and served jail terms. Hey I bet the cost of keeping them in jail would have been less than the autopsy, police and hospital cost were for the same shoot out.
Bet the autopsies alone were a couple of thousand each, without counting the hospital care for the clerk and his salary for the time he spent in hospital, his hospital care etc. etc. Where is the upside here??
More importantly, how would it have played out IF it had been close to a nuclear missile base, and a stray shot from that allegedly wild gun fight had flown into a mysteriously-left-uncovered missile silo, ricocheted around, and then hit the exact point which would allow the warhead to go off, killing thousands?
GUNS CAUSE NUCLEAR ACCIDENTS!
This has already been covered and discussed only a few pages ago. It is already an established stat that citizens have a lower error rate than police.
No, it wasn't only money. It was the clerk's life being threatened by 3 armed criminals.It stopped being about the money, the moment they threatened the clerk by actions or words.
not so easily obtainable by who?
The clerk? He could be dead.
The criminals? how do you propose to accomplish that impossible feat?
Really? If they had showed up with baseball bats, are you so confident that they would stop before that final blow to the head kills the clerk? Are you really so insensitive and callous to claim that it is not reasonable for a clerk to defend himself from baseball bats with deadly force?
So a video camera should nullify a person's natural right to fight for their life?
This is NOT ABOUT MONEY! GET OVER IT!
I feel like calling you names right now but I won't.
with two suspects in custody, it should be no problem for police to figure out who the third guy is.
How silly!! Are you recommending every small store clerk needs to wear a gun strapped to his waist?? Do we Canadians need to live that way?? How did the US. get to the state where this is necessary??
No, for you I'd recommend otters. If you're robbed by someone carrying a farm implement, you can bludgeon him righteously with the otter.
Well, we know it is not the lack of control in the US, because the gun control in Canada has not proven itself effective.
Hey colpy, how are you doing? I took took the canadian firearms safety training course yesterday and passed. Took it back in 98 but lost the certificate. Apparently, it takes 2 years to get an old certificate reprinted, so it makes sense to just take the course again.
They weren't though. Hypothetical musings are just that. And, btw, bystander shootings are actually quite rare (unless you are an NYC police officer).
It is impossible to tell how often bystanders are killed in the hundreds of thousands of defensive gun uses in the USA every year.....but the number must be miniscule. 11 million Americans are licensed to carry. Some states do not require a licence, and tens of millions of Americans keep guns in their homes. Yet, in the 6 years of 2005-2010 inclusive, only 3800 people died by accidental gunshot.
Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence – Gun Law Information Experts
That is about 635 per year. From all activities....hunting, target shooting, and negligence in handling would be the VAST VAST majority of those.......
As I keep pointing out, well over 400,000 people die each year from smoking.........which has NO benefit to anyone.
Got a question that i believe will be different for each province. It is my understanding that if I'm in the bush during hunting season with a firearm I will be considered to be hunting. However, what about during the summer? Ie can I pack a rifle and targets into my favorite campsite or will i be considered hunting out of season?
Also, the Henry AR-7 (the .22lr that tears down and stores away into its own rifle stock), can I legally hike with it inside my backpack? Or is that considered concealed and carry?
Also, with a PAL, it is easy to purchase an air rifle that exceeds 500fps, however, I have a suspicion that some of the 495 fps air rifles have been dumbed down with a softer spring. I'm wondering if a $1000 air rifle could be created with a $300 air rifle and a $100 tuner kit.
Once again, nothing to be gained here because a PAL entitles me to own and shoot any air rifle, however, the potential for savings interests me.
Also, the Henry AR-7 (the .22lr that tears down and stores away into its own rifle stock), can I legally hike with it inside my backpack? Or is that considered concealed and carry?
Also, with a PAL, it is easy to purchase an air rifle that exceeds 500fps, however, I have a suspicion that some of the 495 fps air rifles have been dumbed down with a softer spring. I'm wondering if a $1000 air rifle could be created with a $300 air rifle and a $100 tuner kit.
Once again, nothing to be gained here because a PAL entitles me to own and shoot any air rifle, however, the potential for savings interests me.
