Scotland might just show the rest of us the way to reset social democracy

El Barto

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Four wee Quebec MP's Laddy and they all had lucky charms for breakfast, they did.
How dare you laugh at my typos hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 

Corduroy

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50% + 1 is simply not enough to force constitutional change and tear apart a country.

And the YES side cheated by lowering the voting age to the ludicrous age of 16. Are they NUTS??

Thankfully, the sane people emerged victorious, despite the shenanigans of the YES side.

How is that cheating?
 

Colpy

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How is that cheating?

You don't think a one-time change in voting rules in favour of a demographic you know will vote a certain way is somewhat questionable???

You mean like Hillary Clinton?

I'll take you seriously when I see you leap to her defence. 'Til then, bow to the Shiny Hat, peasant.

You will NEVER hear me jump Hillary on her looks, or her dress, only her lack of moral fibre.
 

MHz

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Classy.

Real classy.

You like insulting little old ladies??
Must have been a Scotland comment that caused 'the look'.
Shouldn't they have to retire at 65 or so?
I suppose you think the Popes that can't even climb a set of stairs are also 'fit for duty', they aren't as one was even asking for prayers for himself. Go in peace is what you pray for when the subject is ancient and dieing of poor heath. WTF, was he expecting, to be made 35 again. (a loose pit bull running at him would do that but it only for a few seconds but the ones my dog has scared always had a smile when I reminded them how fast the moved back.
 

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You don't think a one-time change in voting rules in favour of a demographic you know will vote a certain way is somewhat questionable???



You will NEVER hear me jump Hillary on her looks, or her dress, only her lack of moral fibre.
Didn't say that, did I? Said I'll take you seriously when you leap to her defence. There's a whole thread here insulting everything about her, not just her politics. Get stuck in, son!

Until then, you're just another Shiny Hat worshipper trying to disguise himself as a defender of old women.
 

MHz

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You will NEVER hear me jump Hillary on her looks, or her dress, only her lack of moral fibre.
You don't parade some old hag before the world as the leader of the (supposed) most powerful nation on earth.



Didn't say that, did I? Said I'll take you seriously when you leap to her defence. There's a whole thread here insulting everything about her, not just her politics. Get stuck in, son!

Until then, you're just another Shiny Hat worshipper trying to disguise himself as a defender of old women.
Which of his two bald heads do you think he polishes when thinking of that picture of the Queen, or Hillary?
Defender of ancient women and couldn't care less about 1 million Arab children once you include the 500,000 of them that died due to sanctions on Iraq after Gulf War I.
 

Corduroy

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You don't think a one-time change in voting rules in favour of a demographic you know will vote a certain way is somewhat questionable???

Questionable in what way? They thought they could get more votes if they allowed more people to vote? Well yeah, are we arguing against allowing people to vote? David Cameron's response was promising Scotland the moon and threatening doom if they voted Yes. Is bribery and threats a more legitimate tactic than young people voting?

It is a good thing that the question of Scottish independence was settled democratically? Or is it just a convenience for you?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Classy.

Real classy.

You like insulting little old ladies??
It occurs to me I never answered your question. I insult little old ladies basically on the same basis on which I insult other people. See, I've known a lot of little old ladies, and most of them are tough enough to take it.

Which is more than I can say for hard-done-by, oppressed white right-wing Christian men, undoubtedly the whiniest demographic of all.
 

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Questionable in what way? They thought they could get more votes if they allowed more people to vote? Well yeah, are we arguing against allowing people to vote? David Cameron's response was promising Scotland the moon and threatening doom if they voted Yes. Is bribery and threats a more legitimate tactic than young people voting?

It is a good thing that the question of Scottish independence was settled democratically? Or is it just a convenience for you?

At the age of 16 I was a full-blown Marxist.

Do we let kindergarten kids vote??

Of course not.

You have to be of an age to have some life experience, to have a mature view of the world, to have experienced some of life's responsibility..........you need to be of an age where your brain stem has become fully attached. 16 ain't it.

The Greeks used to vote at 30 years old.

Better that than 16.
 

Colpy

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Yeah, and look at the shape Greece is in.

Ahhh...today you can vote in Greece the year you turn 18, so about half of 17 year olds can vote.....that MIGHT explain their problems today.

When you had to be 30, they were the greatest nation on earth.

And that's supposed to convince me? ;)

:) Nope.....then I might have agreed with you more.

Seriously, it was just an example of how far you can travel intellectually as you grow up.
 

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Ahhh...today you can vote in Greece the year you turn 18, so about half of 17 year olds can vote.....that MIGHT explain their problems today.

When you had to be 30, they were the greatest nation on earth.
When you had to be 30, there was no "Greece." There was a collection of independent city-states. Most of them had no democracy at all, and the ones that did limited voting to about 10% of the population.

But in order to make your silly point, you've dreamed up a nation-state (which didn't even exist until the late sixteenth century), taken one characteristic that applied to a small part of it, and concluded that's the reason for its success.

What an insane exercise in cherry picking.

"Greece" also practiced slavery, Colpy. I suppose you'll be advocating that next. How bout the status of women?

That's how far you've travelled intellectually.
 

Corduroy

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Slaves, women and young men couldn't vote in ancient Athens because they would be cheating. They are unlikely to vote for the interests of status quo so obviously they shouldn't vote.