Scotland might just show the rest of us the way to reset social democracy
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It wound up not being that close, with the No side winning 55-45. Only 4 out of 32 council areas voted Yes.
The agony of defeat: Public reaction Scottish referendum
"Eat your cereal Scotland and bow down to your imperialist masters.
That's who you are.
The bootlickers of the British Empire."
Kris @neurosceptic
'Shove your union up your ****!' Yes supporters on indyref results - YouTube
"Eat your cereal Scotland and bow down to your imperialist masters.
That's who you are.
The bootlickers of the British Empire."
Kris @neurosceptic
'Shove your union up your ****!' Yes supporters on indyref results - YouTube
Never mind hangover record. Just a plain tiredness and exhaustion world record. I was up until about 6.15 am this morning watching the results coming in live on BBC News 24, Sky News, BBC1 and ITV1. I never had a wink of kip. The result was almost beyond doubt for several hours last night with the NO side winning, and winning convincingly, in areas where the YES side were expected to triumph. But it was at about 6.10 am, when the penultimate of Scotland's 32 regions declared its result, that the NO campaign got the magic number of votes they needed to seal the victory beyond doubt. I think they needed around 85,000 votes to seal the win with two council areas to go and in that penultimate one, which I think was Fife, they got around 190,000 votes, so that finally put them over the finishing line. I turned the telly off and then got a just a little bit of kip, with the vast but sparsely populated Highland region still to declare. I found out this morning that it also voted NO, but its result didn't matter in the end. I've probably had about two hours' sleep.
Clackmannanshire was the first of the 32 council areas to declare. That was about 1.30am. That is a large SNP supporting area so the YES side were expected to win there. Instead, that went NO. So straight away the YES side were on the back foot. I think Inverclyde, an area to the west of Glasgow, was also meant to vote YES, but that also surprisingly went NO. It seems there were quite a lot of SNP voters around Scotland who rejected independence.
Of the 32 council areas of Scotland, only FOUR voted for YES. One of those was the biggest one, Glasgow. That made up around 11% of all those who voted. However, with the YES side already badly losing they needed to win Glasgow convincingly to stand any chance of overall victory, but they only won by 6% (I think it was 53% - 47%).
Scotland has voted to stay in the United Kingdom
All 32 council areas have declared.
"NO": 2,001,926
"YES": 1,617,989.
Scotland rejected independence by 55% to 45%.
Clackmannanshire was the first at 01:30.
Since then, Orkney, Shetland, the Western Isles, Inverclyde, Renfrewshire, Midlothian, East Lothian, Stirling, Falkirk, Angus, Dumfries & Galloway, East Renfrewshire, Aberdeen, East Dunbartonshire, South Lanarkshire, Perth & Kinross, West Lothian, Scottish Borders, North Ayrshire, South Ayrshire, East Ayrshire, Aberdeenshire, Edinburgh, Argyll & Bute, Fife, Moray and Highland, have, in that order, all voted "No" to independence.
The Fife result, at 06:08, meant that Scotland had officially rejected independence.
The largest (in population terms) of the local authority areas, Glasgow, voted "Yes". Dundee, West Dunbartonshire and North Lanarkshire also voted in favour of independence.
"No" votes were cheered by Better Together supporters
Yes campaigners celebrated victory in Glasgow which is Scotland's largest council area. The Yes side won in only four of the 32 council areas which make up Scotland
How many people voted?
In total, 3,619,915 people voted, making the turnout 84.5%.
Turnout varied from area to area. In East Dunbartonshire, 91% of eligible voters cast a vote.
The turnout in Glasgow was 75%, lower than elsewhere.
BBC News - At-a-glance: Scottish referendum results
This result, however, will not mean that nothing will change. Salmond has said he will work with Cameron to deliver the promise made by Westminster that more powers will be devolved to Scotland in the event of a NO vote.
But the Government has also said that the English, Welsh and Norhern Irish also now need to be listened to. Scotland, Wales and NI have had their own devolved parliament or assemblies since 1999 but England hasn't, so Westminster may find a way to give devolution to England. London is the only area of England which has devolved powers, but now the Government will look at giving devolution to England as a whole, with maybe each of its regions given an assembly. It could well be the case that the UK eventually becomes a federal state.
This morning, Wales' First Minister Carwyn Jones has said that Wales, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland must now work together to "make a stronger Union."
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"Kip" is sleep.
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So I heard there wee four elected mp's of the parti Quebecois that went to Scotland to witness the referendum.</B>
I wonder if they will come back with pts?
They better have gone there on their own money!
And what JLM said
The Quebecans have nothing to learn from the Scots. The Quebecans came much closer to achieving independence in their referendum in 1995 than the Scottish separatists did in this referendum.
In fact, maybe the SNP can learn from the Quebecans, so when the next Scottish referendum comes around in around the year 2100 they might just pull it off.
Thanks, although I am not making the connection on the word 'kip' with sleep (or any similar slang-style word).
... Do you know 'where' that word came from?
... Do you know 'where' that word came from?
The word "kip" as in "sleep"?
British people use kip to mean either a nap or a longer sleep; it can also mean the idea or act of sleeping, as in “Will you be quiet? I’m trying to get some kip in here!” It can also be a verb: “They kipped down for the night”.
It’s just possible that if British people knew more about its low- life origins they might not use it so much. The ultimate source is probably the Danish word kippe for a hut or a mean alehouse. It was first recorded in the middle of the eighteenth century as an Irish slang term for a brothel. The earliest example known is from Oliver Goldsmith’s The Vicar of Wakefield. As Goldsmith was Irish, educated in Dublin, the implication is that the word was first used in that city. It has long continued to be used there in that way, and appears in compound form in James Joyce’s Ulysses of 1922: “I saw him, kipkeeper!”. That word is remembered in a 1994 book with the title Dublin Tenement Life: “Now we didn’t call them ‘madams’, the outsiders called them madams. We called them ‘kip-keepers’. The houses that they lived in were called kips”. Other names were kip house or kip shop.
By the latter part of the nineteenth century in Britain (as opposed to Ireland) the word had gone further down in the world to mean a common lodging-house for tramps and the homeless. Soon after, it transferred in sense from the place where you sleep to the act of sleeping itself (though in Scotland the word can mean a bed). In the twentieth century it shifted still further away from slang towards the modern informal or colloquial usage.
It does suggest that if you speak of a quick kip, you should be careful in what country you say it ...
World Wide Words: Kip
A "Ukipper" is also the name given to a Ukip supporter.
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In the wake of the referendum result, Cameron has declared it is now time for "English votes for English laws".
Since devolution for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in 1999 (with England, of course, completely ignored), there has been the undemocratic situation where Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs have been allowed to vote, at Westminster, on matters which affect only England, even though English MPs are barred from voting on Scottish-only, Welsh-only or Northern Irish-only issues because those are matters for the devolved assemblies or parliaments of those countries.
So now Cameron vows to address the "West Lothian Question" once and for all and to give "English votes for English laws."
This could well be just a bit of spin by Cameron. There's one thing the British Government hates - and that's listening to the views of the English people. The Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish are listened to and get what they want but the English, so long hated by the British Establishment, are usually ignored.
Just give England her own parliament or parliaments, Cameron. What are you waiting for?
Now Cameron poses the ENGLISH question: As Scotland rejects independence, PM threatens to tear up the constitution by declaring it is now time for 'English votes for English laws'
David Cameron this morning pledged to introduce 'English votes for English laws' after Scotland rejected independence. The Prime Minister said Scotland had had its say and it was now time to listen to the 'millions of voices of England'. Speaking outside 10 Downing Street he said it was 'crucial' to give England the same powers over tax, spending and welfare as Scotland, following his last minute pledge for further devolution to Holyrood during the campaign. Mr Cameron said: 'I've long believed that a crucial part missing from this national discussion is England. We've heard the voice of Scotland, but now the millions of voices of England must also be heard. The question of English votes for English laws, the so-called West Lothian question, requires a decisive answer.'
David Cameron hails Scottish independence referendum results | Daily Mail Online
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What now for Scotland? Salmond demands Westminster hands over new devolved powers within six months - but can the nation heal the bitter divisions exposed by the referendum campaign?
Alex Salmond today admitted defeat in his battle for Scottish independence, as almost 2million people voted to remain in the United Kingdom. On the worst day of his political life, the First Minister tried to put a brave face on the electorate's crushing verdict, claiming that it showed only that a majority had decided 'at this stage' not to become an independent country. The result of the vote was greeted with joy by the No campaigners but left many independence supporters in tears.
Disappointed: Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond, leader of the SNP, was today forced to admit defeat in his battle for Scottish independence, as 55 per cent of people voted to remain part of the United Kingdom
Leader of the Better Together campaign, Alistair Darling, said Scotland had chosen 'positive change, rather than needless separation'
Joy: A Union supporter bursts into tears of relief as fellow No campaigners cheer welcoming the results as Scotland rejects separation
Victory: As Mr Salmond's supporters faced the grim prospect of defeat, the Better Together party in Glasgow was in full swing as the results pointed to a convincing victory for the pro-Union movement
A 'No' campaigner enjoys a nap after a long night. Voter turnout topped 88 per cent in pro-Union areas, but in the key working-class areas where Yes needed big wins, turnout dropped to the mid-70s
Cheers! No campaigners at the Better Together rally in Glasgow celebrate the news that Clackmannanshire, a favourite to vote Yes, had instead rejected independence by 54 per cent to 46 per cent
The message No is scrawled in chalk over a Yes plea on a building on the Royal Mile in Edinburgh following Scotland's decision to stay as part of Great Britain
As the night wore on and the No votes piled in, it all got a bit too much for this lone Yes campaigner in George Square as she sat exhausted, draped in a Saltire
A pro-Independence supporter sits with her head in her hands
Disappointed Yes voters in Glasgow appear shocked at the outcome of the historic referendum on Scottish independence
As the results came in throughout the night, the mood of 'Yes' campaigners - so jubilant at the start of the night - began to sour
It's not hard to see which side little Macey Hadingham was on during yesterday's historic independence referendum
A beautiful sunrise turns the sky pink above the statue of Robert the Bruce at Bannockburn, hailing a new dawn for Scotland within the United Kingdom
That'll be Larry. The PM and his family got him to get rid of the Dowing Street mice.
What now for Scotland? Salmond demands Westminster hands over new devolved powers within six months - but can the nation heal the bitter divisions exposed by the referendum campaign?
Alex Salmond today admitted defeat in his battle for Scottish independence, as almost 2million people voted to remain in the United Kingdom. On the worst day of his political life, the First Minister tried to put a brave face on the electorate's crushing verdict, claiming that it showed only that a majority had decided 'at this stage' not to become an independent country. The result of the vote was greeted with joy by the No campaigners but left many independence supporters in tears.
Read more: Alex Salmond demands Westminster hands over new powers to Scotland within six months | Daily Mail Online
Joy: A Union supporter bursts into tears of relief as fellow No campaigners cheer welcoming the results as Scotland rejects separation
Cheers! No campaigners at the Better Together rally in Glasgow celebrate the news that Clackmannanshire, a favourite to vote Yes, had instead rejected independence by 54 per cent to 46 per cent
It's not hard to see which side little Macey Hadingham was on during yesterday's historic independence referendum
A beautiful sunrise turns the sky pink above the statue of Robert the Bruce at Bannockburn, hailing a new dawn for Scotland within the United Kingdom
That'll be Larry. The PM and his family got him to get rid of the Dowing Street mice.
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The reason for the down vote Kreskin is although you are anonymous, you actually admitted to watching CNN..........
The SNP decided to make this the very first UK election to allow 16 and 17 year olds to vote because they believed that 16 and 17 year old would mainly be in favour of independence. Basically, the SNP were trying to cheat their way to victory in the referendum by allowing people to vote who aren't normally allowed.
But this idea backfired on the Scots Nats, because it eventually transpired that most 16 and 17 year old in Scotland were actually AGAINST independence.
Bloody hilarious...
Well it was the only station covering it on the west coast. The Canadian networks will in the 97th session of daily repeats about a cougar sighting. Imagine, a cougar sighting in Canada! Whoda thunk it!?The reason for the down vote Kreskin is although you are anonymous, you actually admitted to watching CNN..........
I stll don't understand why a 'Yes' vote would not have resulted in independence until sometime in 2016. That seems to be a case of dragging you feet as much as possible.
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"According to what our observers at the polling offices tell us, there were more Yes votes during the vote count. Scotland found itself under immense pressure… Those on the UK side campaigning for a No vote resorted to every violation imaginable," Georgy Fyodorov, the head of the Association for the protection of electoral rights "Civil control," told RIA Novosti on Friday.
Igor Morozov, a member of the Council of the Federation Committee for Foreign Affairs, said that the results were influenced by "Westminster propaganda."
"We can see that, with the exception of Glasgow, those supporting independence failed to register a majority. I think that Westminster propaganda played a great part in that. I suppose it is down to information put out in recent weeks, from the party leaders, [that had impact on the vote], thanks to that the Scots arrived at the result they have," Morozov told RIA Novosti.
Russian Observers Say Westminter Put Pressure on Scots on Referendum Day | World | RIA Novosti
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"According to what our observers at the polling offices tell us, there were more Yes votes during the vote count. Scotland found itself under immense pressure… Those on the UK side campaigning for a No vote resorted to every violation imaginable," Georgy Fyodorov, the head of the Association for the protection of electoral rights "Civil control," told RIA Novosti on Friday.
Igor Morozov, a member of the Council of the Federation Committee for Foreign Affairs, said that the results were influenced by "Westminster propaganda."
"We can see that, with the exception of Glasgow, those supporting independence failed to register a majority. I think that Westminster propaganda played a great part in that. I suppose it is down to information put out in recent weeks, from the party leaders, [that had impact on the vote], thanks to that the Scots arrived at the result they have," Morozov told RIA Novosti.
Russian Observers Say Westminter Put Pressure on Scots on Referendum Day | World | RIA Novosti