Wynne SLAMS Harper over missing, murdered aboriginal women comments

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Like I said, the per 100,000 statistic is disingenuous when should be based on the population of a territory - Canada.

WTF are you talking about????.

Crime statistics in general, and murder statistics in particular, are listed per 100,000 as a standard method of comparison.

Wake up and smell the coffee.
 

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Like I said, the per 100,000 statistic is disingenuous when should be based on the population of a territory - Canada.

Why? Is it consistent from coast to coast to coast?

Violent crimes per 100,000 is more than double in SK than ON. Would it be fair to fund gang units equally?
 

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Aside from the fact that it would be more accurate to represent these cases based on actual population, the real issue is that this we are focusing specifically on murder rather than violence of all types.

It's been shown that aboriginal women suffer higher rates of victimization than non-aboriginal so there needs to be a fully fledged inquiry as to the root causes so we can work to prevent more crime instead of taking reactionary measures.


Victimization of Aboriginal Women

Research reveals that Aboriginal women experience dramatically higher rates of violent victimization than non-Aboriginal women do (Proulx and Perrault 2000; Hylton 2002; Brzozowski et al. 2006). Violence within the domestic context is the most pervasive form of victimization experienced by Aboriginal women. Nearly one-quarter (24%) of Aboriginal women in Canada reported having been assaulted by a current or former spouse, compared to 7% of non-Aboriginal women (Brzozowski et al. 2006). Results from other studies suggest that this figure may be as high as 90% in some Aboriginal communities (Ontario Native Women’s Association 2007).

The literature shows that Aboriginal women consistently report a rate of partner violence much higher than their non-Aboriginal counterparts, even after controlling for relevant social variables. For instance, while living common law is associated with a 13 percent greater risk of victimization for non-Aboriginal women, the associated risk for Aboriginal women is 217 percent higher (Brownridge 2008).

Sexual assault against women is particularly prevalent in Northern Canada where there is a much higher proportion of Aboriginal people in each of the territories than in the provinces. In 2002, the rate of sexual assault in Nunavut was 96.1 for every 10,000 people compared to the overall rate in Canada of 7.8 in every 10,000 people (Levan 2001). Aboriginal women have also been found to be greatly over-represented as sex trade workers compared to non-Aboriginal women (Oxman-Martinez et al. 2005; Royal Canadian Mounted Police 2006). In one study of the Vancouver sex trade, 52 of 101 women interviewed were Aboriginal (Farley et al. 2005). The overwhelming majority of these women reported both a history of childhood sexual abuse by multiple perpetrators and a history of rape and other assaults while working as prostitutes.

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/victim/rd3-rr3/p3.html
 

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t's been shown that aboriginal women suffer higher rates of victimization than non-aboriginal so there needs to be a fully fledged inquiry as to the root causes so we can work to prevent more crime instead of taking reactionary measures
It's already a known. Native gangs, drugs and alcohol and a lack of men with the balls to be dad's.
 

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Aside from the fact that it would be more accurate to represent these cases based on actual population, the real issue is that this we are focusing specifically on murder rather than violence of all types.

Come on!! Wake up!! You are not that stupid.

The current murder rate in Canada (2013) is 1.44 per 100,000 overall. That is very low.
The rate among native women (2011) is 4.5 per 100,000. That is not low.

But that is how you COMPARE.
 

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The problem is that we do not know the real answer for this over representation and that's why we need a definitive body of evidence to finally put this issue to rest.




True enough; police have said that their “clearance rate” for murdered aboriginal women (they estimate there have been 1,000 since 1980) is the same as for non-aboriginals.

But the point of a national inquiry is not to solve individual cases. That is indeed the job of the police.

It is, instead, to shine a spotlight on the staggering sociological — yes, Mr. Harper, sociological — factors that lead to aboriginal women’s disproportionate representation among those women who are murdered, missing and assaulted every year.

The goal of an inquiry would be to prevent more crimes, not simply solve the ones already committed.

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/opin...g_on_murdered_aboriginal_women_editorial.html
 

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The problem is that we do not know the real answer for this over representation and that's why we need a definitive body of evidence to finally put this issue to rest.

Yes we do. Come spend a week at my house. You'll see it first hand. Gangs, drugs/alcohol, and fatherless kids.

Here is something more your speed; How do you solve a problem like Maria?
 

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The problem is that we do not know the real answer for this over representation and that's why we need a definitive body of evidence to finally put this issue to rest.




True enough; police have said that their “clearance rate” for murdered aboriginal women (they estimate there have been 1,000 since 1980) is the same as for non-aboriginals.

But the point of a national inquiry is not to solve individual cases. That is indeed the job of the police.

It is, instead, to shine a spotlight on the staggering sociological — yes, Mr. Harper, sociological — factors that lead to aboriginal women’s disproportionate representation among those women who are murdered, missing and assaulted every year.

The goal of an inquiry would be to prevent more crimes, not simply solve the ones already committed.

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/opin...g_on_murdered_aboriginal_women_editorial.html

Once again:

The root causes are corruption in the FN hierarchy, the fact that reserve communities are run on a communal basis without individual responsibility, soul-crushing gov't welfare programs that kill pride and any spirit of independence........all of which leads to drug abuse, alcoholism, and family violence.....which inevitably leads to prostitution in run aways, and murder.

To figure that out would cost the gov't several tens of millions of dollars.

You can pay me just a million.

Thank you.

Just think of all the time I saved you!!!

And there is no solution that is possible..............

Unless you like the idea of total assimilation. You know, an end to race-based policy. Divide up the reservations among the native populations of same, provide some monetary compensation where that is not possible, then cut them off. Disband the native gov'ts, and let them sink or swim, leave the preservation of their culture in their own hands, and enforce the law equally.......and have them become part of the greater Canadian entity.

Not gonna happen.

So why bother with BS???
 

petros

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Have you always benn this big of a dumb f-ck?

63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes (US Dept. Of Health/Census) – 5 times the average.
90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes – 32 times the average.
85% of all children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average.* (Center for Disease Control)
80% of rapists with anger problems come from fatherless homes –14 times the average.* (Justice & Behavior, Vol 14, p. 403-26)
71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average.* (National Principals Association Report)
Father Factor in Education - Fatherless children are twice as likely to drop out of school.

Children with Fathers who are involved are 40% less likely to repeat a grade in school.
Children with Fathers who are involved are 70% less likely to drop out of school.
Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to get A’s in school.
Children with Fathers who are involved are more likely to enjoy school and engage in extracurricular activities.
75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes – 10 times the average.
Father Factor in Drug and Alcohol Abuse - Researchers at Columbia University found that children living in two-parent household with a poor relationship with their father are 68% more likely to smoke, drink, or use drugs compared to all teens in two-parent households. Teens in single mother households are at a 30% higher risk than those in two-parent households.

70% of youths in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes – 9 times the average.* (U.S. Dept. of Justice, Sept. 1988)
85% of all youths in prison come from fatherless homes – 20 times the average.* (Fulton Co. Georgia, Texas Dept. of Correction)
Father Factor in Incarceration – Even after controlling for income, youths in father-absent households still had significantly higher odds of incarceration than those in mother-father families. Youths who never had a father in the household experienced the highest odds. A 2002 Department of Justice survey of 7,000 inmates revealed that 39% of jail inmates lived in mother-only households. Approximately forty-six percent of jail inmates in 2002 had a previously incarcerated family member. One-fifth experienced a father in prison or jail.

Father Factor in Crime - A study of 109 juvenile offenders indicated that family structure significantly predicts delinquency. Adolescents, particularly boys, in single-parent families were at higher risk of status, property and person delinquencies. Moreover, students attending schools with a high proportion of children of single parents are also at risk. A study of 13,986 women in prison showed that more than half grew up without their father. Forty-two percent grew up in a single-mother household and sixteen percent lived with neither parent

Father Factor in Child Abuse – Compared to living with both parents, living in a single-parent home doubles the risk that a child will suffer physical, emotional, or educational neglect. The overall rate of child abuse and neglect in single-parent households is 27.3 children per 1,000, whereas the rate of overall maltreatment in two-parent households is 15.5 per 1,000.

Daughters of single parents without a Father involved are 53% more likely to marry as teenagers, 711% more likely to have children as teenagers, 164% more likely to have a pre-marital birth and 92% more likely to get divorced themselves.

Adolescent girls raised in a 2 parent home with involved Fathers are significantly less likely to be sexually active than girls raised without involved Fathers.

43% of US children live without their father [US Department of Census]
90% of homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes. [US D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census]
80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes. [Criminal Justice & Behaviour, Vol 14, pp. 403-26, 1978]
71% of pregnant teenagers lack a father. [U.S. Department of Health and Human Services press release, Friday, March 26, 1999]
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. [US D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census]
85% of children who exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes. [Center for Disease Control]
90% of adolescent repeat arsonists live with only their mother. [Wray Herbert, “Dousing the Kindlers,” Psychology Today, January, 1985, p. 28]
71% of high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. [National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools]
75% of adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes. [Rainbows f for all God’s Children]
70% of juveniles in state operated institutions have no father. [US Department of Justice, Special Report, Sept. 1988]
85% of youths in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. [Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Department of Corrections, 1992]
Fatherless boys and girls are: twice as likely to drop out of high school; twice as likely to end up in jail; four times more likely to need help for emotional or behavioral problems. [US D.H.H.S. news release, March 26, 1999]
Census Fatherhood Statistics
64.3 million: Estimated number of fathers across the nation
26.5 million: Number of fathers who are part of married-couple families with their own children under the age of 18.
Among these fathers -
22 percent are raising three or more of their own children under 18 years old (among married-couple family households only).
2 percent live in the home of a relative or a non-relative.
2.5 million: Number of single fathers, up from 400,000 in 1970. Currently, among single parents living with their children, 18 percent are men.
Among these fathers -
8 percent are raising three or more of their own children under 18 years old.
42 percent are divorced, 38 percent have never married, 16 percent are separated and 4 percent are widowed. (The percentages of those divorced and never married are not significantly different from one another.)
16 percent live in the home of a relative or a non-relative.
27 percent have an annual family income of $50,000 or more.
85 percent: Among the 30.2 million fathers living with children younger than 18, the percentage who lived with their biological children only.
11 percent lived with step-children
4 percent with adopted children
< 1 percent with foster children
Recent policies encourage the development of programs designed to improve the economic status of low-income nonresident fathers and the financial and emotional support provided to their children. This brief provides ten key lessons from several important early responsible fatherhood initiatives that were developed and implemented during the 1990s and early 2000s. Formal evaluations of these earlier fatherhood efforts have been completed making this an opportune time to step back and assess what has been learned and how to build on the early programs’ successes and challenges.While the following statistics are formidable, the Responsible Fatherhood research literature generally supports the claim that a loving and nurturing father improves outcomes for children, families and communities.

Children with involved, loving fathers are significantly more likely to do well in school, have healthy self-esteem, exhibit empathy and pro-social behavior, and avoid high-risk behaviors such as drug use, truancy, and criminal activity compared to children who have uninvolved fathers.
Studies on parent-child relationships and child wellbeing show that father love is an important factor in predicting the social, emotional, and cognitive development and functioning of children and young adults.
24 million children (34 percent) live absent their biological father.
Nearly 20 million children (27 percent) live in single-parent homes.
43 percent of first marriages dissolve within fifteen years; about 60 percent of divorcing couples have children; and approximately one million children each year experience the divorce of their parents.
Fathers who live with their children are more likely to have a close, enduring relationship with their children than those who do not.
Compared to children born within marriage, children born to cohabiting parents are three times as likely to experience father absence, and children born to unmarried, non-cohabiting parents are four times as likely to live in a father-absent home.
About 40 percent of children in father-absent homes have not seen their father at all during the past year; 26 percent of absent fathers live in a different state than their children; and 50 percent of children living absent their father have never set foot in their father’s home.
Children who live absent their biological fathers are, on average, at least two to three times more likely to be poor, to use drugs, to experience educational, health, emotional and behavioral problems, to be victims of child abuse, and to engage in criminal behavior than their peers who live with their married, biological (or adoptive) parents.
From 1995 to 2000, the proportion of children living in single-parent homes slightly declined, while the proportion of children living with two married parents remained stable
 

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The rate for aboriginal murders (regardless of sex) has remained the same, while it has gone down for everyone else.

When you have a growing population, this becomes a concern.

Link??

Because I don't believe it.

Yes we do. Come spend a week at my house. You'll see it first hand. Gangs, drugs/alcohol, and fatherless kids.

Come on Petros!! That is phrased kinda funny.....

Humour alert!!
 

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It is, instead, to shine a spotlight on the staggering sociological — yes, Mr. Harper, sociological — factors that lead to aboriginal women’s disproportionate representation among those women who are murdered, missing and assaulted every year.

The goal of an inquiry would be to prevent more crimes, not simply solve the ones already committed.

As for it not being a sociological phenomenon, how can Harper explain these statistics?

That aboriginal women account for 16 per cent of female homicides and 11.3 per cent of missing women in Canada when they make up only 2.1 per cent of the population.

That aboriginal women are twice as likely to suffer domestic violence, more likely to be attacked by strangers, and three times more likely to become the target of violence than non-aboriginal women.

That aboriginal women’s lives are five years shorter than the lives of non-aboriginal women. That 8 per cent of aboriginal teenage girls are parents compared to 1.3 per cent of non-aboriginal girls. Or that 18 per cent of aboriginal women, compared to 8 per cent of non-aboriginal women, are lone parents.

That household crowding, which is linked to increased family violence, is experienced by 31 per cent of Inuit women and only 3 per cent of non-aboriginal females.

That the Institute on Governance found “between 70 per cent of sexually exploited youth and 50 per cent of adult sex workers in Winnipeg are of aboriginal descent,” when aboriginals only make up 10 per cent of the city’s population.

Or this visceral statistic: that of the 33 women whose DNA was found on serial killer Robert Picton’s farm, 12 were aboriginal.

How are those out-of-whack statistics possible unless there are sociological factors at work?

Here’s one last “sociological phenomenon” for the prime minister to contemplate: In 2013, nearly half of the 30,000 children in foster care in Canada under the age of 14 were aboriginal.

Tina Fontaine was in foster care when she was killed.

Today a service for her will be held on the Sagkeeng First Nation in Manitoba.

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/opin...g_on_murdered_aboriginal_women_editorial.html
 

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Once again:

The root causes are corruption in the FN hierarchy, the fact that reserve communities are run on a communal basis without individual responsibility, soul-crushing gov't welfare programs that kill pride and any spirit of independence........all of which leads to drug abuse, alcoholism, and family violence.....which inevitably leads to prostitution in run aways, and murder.
Now that is malarky. The problem is urban not on da Rez ah.

It is, instead, to shine a spotlight on the staggering sociological — yes, Mr. Harper, sociological — factors that lead to aboriginal women’s disproportionate representation among those women who are murdered, missing and assaulted every year.

The goal of an inquiry would be to prevent more crimes, not simply solve the ones already committed.

As for it not being a sociological phenomenon, how can Harper explain these statistics?

That aboriginal women account for 16 per cent of female homicides and 11.3 per cent of missing women in Canada when they make up only 2.1 per cent of the population.

That aboriginal women are twice as likely to suffer domestic violence, more likely to be attacked by strangers, and three times more likely to become the target of violence than non-aboriginal women.

That aboriginal women’s lives are five years shorter than the lives of non-aboriginal women. That 8 per cent of aboriginal teenage girls are parents compared to 1.3 per cent of non-aboriginal girls. Or that 18 per cent of aboriginal women, compared to 8 per cent of non-aboriginal women, are lone parents.

That household crowding, which is linked to increased family violence, is experienced by 31 per cent of Inuit women and only 3 per cent of non-aboriginal females.

That the Institute on Governance found “between 70 per cent of sexually exploited youth and 50 per cent of adult sex workers in Winnipeg are of aboriginal descent,” when aboriginals only make up 10 per cent of the city’s population.

Or this visceral statistic: that of the 33 women whose DNA was found on serial killer Robert Picton’s farm, 12 were aboriginal.

How are those out-of-whack statistics possible unless there are sociological factors at work?

Here’s one last “sociological phenomenon” for the prime minister to contemplate: In 2013, nearly half of the 30,000 children in foster care in Canada under the age of 14 were aboriginal.

Tina Fontaine was in foster care when she was killed.

Today a service for her will be held on the Sagkeeng First Nation in Manitoba.

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/opin...g_on_murdered_aboriginal_women_editorial.html

Compare those to the fatherless kid stats posted above.
 

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If it was a uniform cause, we would not be seeing over representation on the aboriginal side.