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Maybe they should try grazing cattle in Ferguson. Maybe the right will support the protests then.

I'm just trying to find out the difference here. Is it because they don't have guns? Is it a gun thing? What about cattle? The right really cares about cattle, right? Health care? They go on and on about government tyranny and yet here it is without the anti-state right coming out. Gee golly, what's the difference?


Also... The Feds that came down to oppose the rancher and his followers were geared up just like the cops in Ferguson. Holder now thinks getting all military like is not the best idea... unless of course you're going after a rancher who hasn't paid his taxes.

Yeah, somebody pointed out that in the Cliven Bundy case, Federal officers who had rifles pointed at them stayed calm and talked and negotiated with people. No tear gas, no baton rounds, no journalists arrested and gassed, no curfew.

I guess that situation had a different complexion, ifyaknowwhatImean (wink wink).



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Also... The Feds that came down to oppose the rancher and his followers were geared up just like the cops in Ferguson. Holder now thinks getting all military like is not the best idea... unless of course you're going after a rancher who hasn't paid his taxes.
It's not a good idea in either case. Or any other case, except for active-shooter or hostage situations.

Look up Radley Balko's blog. He deals with cases of police abuse and the militarization of the police. I think that's an issue liberals and conservatives can agree on. And if we do that, maybe we can isolate the wingers on both sides, and ignore the noisy buggers.


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I recognize I may be a little oversensitive on this. That's why I keep you around, to keep me from wandering too far off the track.
 

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It's not a good idea in either case. Or any other case, except for active-shooter or hostage situations.

Look up Radley Balko's blog. He deals with cases of police abuse and the militarization of the police. I think that's an issue liberals and conservatives can agree on. And if we do that, maybe we can isolate the wingers on both sides, and ignore the noisy buggers.


I think the militarization of the police has gone way to far.


I mean WTF is this!




Join the Army or the Marines if you want to do this sh*t. And if they were then go back and reenlist.

While were at it... WTF is the US Navy wearing this sh*it for! If you want to wear this stuff join the Army or Marines!







Get your azzes back into a proper squid uniform!


 

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"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."


All the more reason for the citizens to be armed and police disarmed. That's when police/government violence will end.
 

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I think the militarization of the police has gone way to far.


I mean WTF is this!




Join the Army or the Marines if you want to do this sh*t. And if they were then go back and reenlist.

While were at it... WTF is the US Navy wearing this sh*it for! If you want to wear this stuff join the Army or Marines!







Get your azzes back into a proper squid uniform!





Roger that. And don't forget the Air Force. . .




 

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Roger that. And don't forget the Air Force. . .

No kidding! I was waiting for that T-Bones.

WTF is the Air Force wearing updated Jungle patterns for?






Do they think it is 1968 and they're in the highlands of Vietnam with the Green Berets?

Get the BLEEP back in your proper USAF uniforms!

 

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The NRA and Tea Baggers marched and presented weapons in support of extremist and welfare recipient Cliven Bundy so why aren't they here today???


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In Many US Communities, Cops are the ‘Terrorists’ | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community



In Many US Communities, Cops are the ‘Terrorists’
Police need to be demilitarized and remade as ‘peace officers’




When this shooting happened, instead of immediately attempting to calm things down, the Ferguson Police Department went all paramilitary, sending massive numbers of up-armed cops in military gear into the community, backed by armored vehicles. They responded to understandable community protests with tear gas and, later, with solid wooden and rubber bullets designed to hurt and injure but not kill (though clearly at close range there is always that danger). Several more people have already been shot by police, leaving them in critical condition.


... This is what we need today: community resistance to police abuse, and a demilitarization of policing.

In too many communities across America today, as in Ferguson, Missouri, the “terrorists” in our midst are the police themselves. We need to end that situation.





It's time for the Tea Baggers and NRA to finally stand up for their principles and to make their presence against government abuses fully known in this matter. If they were as principled as they claim to be they would do so.
 

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I like that idea gopher, problem is every citizen is walking around armed in America.



Too bad the Black Panthers weren't there armed to the teeth and eager to show the government who is really the boss. Would have been good to see them allied with the NRA and Tea Baggers and putting a stop to government abuses.
 

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No kidding! I was waiting for that T-Bones.

WTF is the Air Force wearing updated Jungle patterns for?
Do they think it is 1968 and they're in the highlands of Vietnam with the Green Berets?

Get the BLEEP back in your proper USAF uniforms!



Couldn't agree more. I was actually in during the transition from OD green to the jungle jammies. Heard all the crap from the Chief of Staff's office about "reflecting the fighting spirit of the Air Force." What a load! The Army and the Corps have "fighting spirit." Their fundamental combat unit is a man with a rifle. The Navy and Air Force are technicians maintaining and operating machines of war. Plain OD fatigues or dungarees are appropriate. The few, small special units like the SEALs and ParaRescue can wear the combat fatigues, and always could. Putting an aircraft mechanic or a bomb loader (much less a clerk-typist or computer operator) in camo is just a bad joke.

Too bad the Black Panthers weren't there armed to the teeth and eager to show the government who is really the boss. Would have been good to see them allied with the NRA and Tea Baggers and putting a stop to government abuses.
At what point in history has anybody but the white majority and the government been "really the boss?"
 

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This whole militarization on police started with the Reagan and GHW Bush administration... who dropped loads of surplus military gear on the police.. to conduct the 'War' on Drugs.

The problem is when you dress a policeman up in military gear with an automatic weapon and Armoured Vehicle backing him up.. he will tend to act more like a soldier than a policeman and they are markedly different, in many ways opposite, things. The modern training of police reinforce that combat personna.

The result, both in situations of protest and normal police work, produces a posture of confrontation, overwhelming retaliation, provocation and escalation all of which you saw in the Ferguson Police Dept.'s handling of the situation before it was removed from them and given to the Missouri Highway Patrol.

It inflames situations rather than defuses them.. which should be the objective of REAL police work. Remove the provocation, use some flexibility and tact, and in most case situations will resolve themselves peacefully as we saw last night.

AND

The Ferguson Police now say that the victim, Thomas Jackson, MIGHT have been involved in a 'strongarm' robbery prior to the shooting, stealing a pack of cigars.. which was the reason that he was stopped in the first place.

'Strongarm' robbery usually refers to 'snatch and run' shop lifting without a weapon or resort to violence. Even if this is true.. and at best Thompson would only be a suspect when stopped.. the use of deadly force, which is only permissable when the officer of others life is threatened, would not be warranted.

It essentially changes nothing if the numerous eyewitnesses description of an execution of an unarmed man is confirmed.
 
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This whole militarization on police started with the Reagan and GHW Bush administration... who dropped loads of surplus military gear on the police.. to conduct the 'War' on Drugs.
The Section 1033 programme, which started the distribution of military gear to police, was started in 1996, during the Clinton presidency. It continued unabated, and accelerated, under the Bush 43 and Obama presidencies.

The problem is when you dress a policeman up in military gear with an automatic weapon and Armoured Vehicle backing him up.. he will tend to act more like a soldier than a policeman and they are markedly different, in many ways opposite, things. The modern training of police reinforce that combat personna.
Precisely. It turns the streets into a battlefield and the public into the enemy.

The result, both in situations of protest and normal police work, produces a posture of confrontation, overwhelming retaliation, provocation and escalation all of which you saw in the Ferguson Police Dept.'s handling of the situation before it was removed from them and given to the Missouri Highway Patrol.

It inflames situations rather than defuses them.. which should be the objective of REAL police work. Remove the provocation, use some flexibility and tact, and in most case situations will resolve themselves peacefully as we saw last night.
Spot on.

AND

The Ferguson Police now say that the victim, Thomas Jackson, MIGHT have been involved in a 'strongarm' robbery prior to the shooting, stealing a pack of cigars.. which was the reason that he was stopped in the first place.

'Strongarm' robbery usually refers to 'snatch and run' shop lifting without a weapon or resort to violence. Even if this is true.. and at best Thompson would only be a suspect when stopped.. the use of deadly force, which is only permissable when the officer of others life is threatened, would not be warranted.

It essentially changes nothing if the numerous eyewitnesses description of an execution of an unarmed man is confirmed.
Yep. I'm holding fire (pun intended) until the investigations are concluded. There are too many conflicting stories right now.
 

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Tecumsehsbones,

At what point in history has anybody but the white majority and the government been "really the boss?"


society is evolving and from all appearances whites will be the minority by the end of the century - I won't be around to see it but today is a good time for society to treat everyone alike and realize that the laws (including those which guarantee equal protection) are intended to be applied to everyone on an equal basis
 

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society is evolving and from all appearances whites will be the minority by the end of the century - I won't be around to see it but today is a good time for society to treat everyone alike and realize that the laws (including those which guarantee equal protection) are intended to be applied to everyone on an equal basis
I'll take that as "Sorry, T-bones, I totally brainfarted and thought for just a fleeting second there that somebody other than whites and the government are 'really the boss'."

To which I respond, no probs, small rodent. Brainfarts happen to us all. Congratulations on not trying to cover it up by throwing out a blizzard of irrelevant factoids and happy-clappy let's-all-be-fair bullsh*t.
 

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Good find.

All too often people forget that our Founding Fathers taught over 200 years ago - justice must first exist in a society in order to for peace to prevail. No justice, no peace. This is something they learned from the Bible, from Cicero, and from Erasmus. The commentator is that well written piece hints at he recognition of this in a modern society.
Dafuq?

The Bible? As in Gawd commanding Joshua to put all of Jericho to the sword for. . . um. . . being in the way?

Cicero? The Roman? Yeah, lotta justice in the Roman Empire.

Erasmus? The Dutch guy? Same Holland that was participating in the occupation and genocide of the Americas?

Saying these blood-soaked hypocrites knew d*ck about justice is like saying Tom Jefferson, the slaveholder, knew d*ck about all men being created equal.