Prisoner trade by Obama: Malevolent or just Stupid?

Colpy

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Special Branch of the RUC. Responsible for Burntollet Bridge, amongst many, many other atrocities. Hardly surprising that you number them among your friends.


Which proves what, that he's a Republican?

Oh, right. To you it does, just like being a Muslim proves you're a terrorist supporter.


Wow, yer all edumacated! Mongo impressed!


OK, that being the issue and all, I'm gonna get all lawyerly on ya. Ready?. . .

Prove it.


Your impression that I was comparing it to failing an inspection shows that the fact that I was presenting you with a sheaf of diminishing-severity offences went over your head like a Raptor on afterburner.

Whether the trade was a wise one is a separate issue. We don't need to address that, because you've stated that we shouldn't have recovered Bergdahl. So the price is irrelevant.

YOU ARE A LAWYER!!!

lol

The lawyer's creed:

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS"

The above being a fine attempt at the latter.
 

Kreskin

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Sadly the enemy combatant scheme has so grossly violated legal rights that most detainees can't be prosecuted. When this program came to light over a decade ago the end result was fairly obvious. The US lost it's credibility to stand up for human rights and it was left in a legal mess it would never get out of. The Republicans led the charge to create it and now they obstruct any common sense attempt to end it. Having designed a system of human rights violations and unconstitutional detentions the Republicans have lost any credibility when it comes to arguing what is or isn't legal, or right, in this disaster.

I hope the Republicans keep pushing this, even to Congressional hearings. Then the administration can have Bush and Cheney subpoenaed so the entire story can be presented to the American public.
 

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Btw fellows, Al Qaeda has just captured thee Iraqi city of Mosul, including its air force base. Now Al Qaeda has helicopters. What could go wrong?

I'm doubtful they can fly them.

Sadly the enemy combatant scheme has so grossly violated legal rights that most detainees can't be prosecuted. When this program came to light over a decade ago the end result was fairly obvious. The US lost it's credibility to stand up for human rights and it was left in a legal mess it would never get out of. The Republicans led the charge to create it and now they obstruct any common sense attempt to end it. Having designed a system of human rights violations and unconstitutional detentions the Republicans have lost any credibility when it comes to arguing what is or isn't legal, or right, in this disaster.

I hope the Republicans keep pushing this, even to Congressional hearings. Then the administration can have Bush and Cheney subpoenaed so the entire story can be presented to the American public.

The Republicans are obstructing what? The closing of GITMO?

What about Obama's pen and phone? As if Obama cares what Congress is. That argument went out the window when Obama made the trade for Bergdahl.
 

Kreskin

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I'm doubtful they can fly them.



The Republicans are obstructing what? The closing of GITMO?

What about Obama's pen and phone? As if Obama cares what Congress is. That argument went out the window when Obama made the trade for Bergdahl.
The real issues are what to do with the detainees and if they can't be prosecuted why are they there?
 

Kreskin

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I think a decision must be made either way about prosecution but we all know why they are there.
One if the stumbling blocks is the way in which evidence was gathered is inadmissable in court. Most of these guy have to be let go with nothing in return.
 

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Before he joined the Army, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was discharged from the Coast Guard for psychological reasons, said close friends who were worried about his emotional health at the time.


The 2006 discharge and a trove of Bergdahl’s writing — his handwritten journal along with essays, stories and e-mails provided to The Washington Post — paint a portrait of a deeply complicated and fragile young man who was by his own account struggling to maintain his mental stability from the start of basic training until the moment he walked off his post in eastern Afghanistan in 2009.


With two wars raging in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2008, the Army was meeting recruitment goals by issuing waivers that allowed people with criminal records, health conditions and other problems to enlist. According to a 2008 Army War College study on the subject, the Army was issuing waivers at a rate of one for every five recruits at the time.




Whatever the exact circumstances of Bergdahl’s enlistment, the Coast Guard discharge came as no surprise to Harrison and other friends who grew up with him in Ketchum, Idaho, and said he was a poor fit for military service.


“He is the perfect example of a person who should not have gone” to war, said Harrison, who spoke on the condition that she be identified by her former married name because she is concerned about threats. “The only person worse would be someone with a low IQ. In my mind, they didn’t care.”


He didn't know what to do with himself, and then surprised those who knew him when he decided to go into the Army. He was aware that he was putting himself at risk, but apparently accepted that fact--and even lamented that the war he was engaged in was not as intensely challenging as other past wars were. He was disillusioned by the shallow values of his peers in the service, as he was by many of his peers at home. He saw behind the masks of convention, seeing himself as a citizen of the world, part of a greater humanity--and in the midst of this war, began to deeply question his participation and its purpose. And his guiding light in the spiritual self-examination appears to have been Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged"--the putative bible of the Libertarian Right.


how far will a human go to find their complete freedom. . . ” he wrote. “For one’s freedom, do they have the right to destroy the world to gain it?”

On June 27, he sent an e-mail to his friends titled, “Who is John Galt?,” a reference to the hero of Ayn Rand’s novel “Atlas Shrugged,” about individualism in a dystopian America.

“I will serve no bandit, nor lair, for i know John Galt, and understand . . . ” Bergdahl wrote. “This life is too short to serve those who compromise value, and its ethics. i am done compromising.

Three days later, Bergdahl walked off his post.



Bergdahl’s writings reveal a fragile young man - The Washington Post