Climate change not fully to blame for melting sea ice: study

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Climate change not fully to blame for melting sea ice: study

A newly published paper says climate change caused by humans could be responsible for as little as half the wholesale melting of sea ice in the Canadian Arctic and Greenland that has amazed and alarmed scientists.

The finding, published in Nature magazine, should caution those attempting to turn global theories into regional predictions, said co-author Mike Wallace of the University of Washington.

"Whenever you start to look at local climate trends, you have to look at the internal variability as well as the human-induced variability," said Wallace. "The natural variability is huge."

Sea ice has been a hot topic in recent years -- with average declines of 2.6 per cent per decade since the late 1970s across the circumpolar world. Ice extent last March was the fifth lowest for that month in the satellite record.

The area of north Greenland and the Canadian archipelago, with temperature increases nearly twice as large as the Arctic average, has been warming particularly quickly.

Wallace says up to half of that increase is more likely to be due to complex atmospheric links that originate with rain and wind patterns in the South Pacific -- not warming from greenhouse gases. Unusually heavy rain in a region of the South Pacific sets up turbulence in the atmosphere that affects the whole globe, he said.

"It induces what we call a planetary scale wave train. We can see exactly those kind of waves -- like ship wakes -- if we have the air flowing over an island and if we look down we can see in the cloud patterns exactly those kinds of wakes."

The "wakes" generate huge waves in the atmosphere. A single wavelength is roughly comparable to the distance from the central Pacific to Ellesmere Island in the Canadian Arctic. It's those waves, which warm the air by compressing it slightly, that are contributing to sea ice melt in the Canadian Arctic and northern Greenland, the paper suggests.

"Think of Canada as downstream in that wake," said Wallace. "If it happens to be in a ridge of that wave train, that translates into it being warmer than normal. That warmth comes from the prevalence of sinking motion in the atmosphere -- it warms it by compressing it."

Wallace said climate models have only been able to explain about half the warming that has been seen in the region. The energy created by atmospheric waves originating in the South Pacific nicely accounts for the rest.

The paper doesn't attack the basic conclusion that climate change is largely caused by greenhouse gases. And Wallace acknowledges that the heavy ocean rains that create the warming atmospheric waves may have their origin in greenhouse-gas-induced climate change.

His paper doesn't address sea-ice loss or degradation in other parts of the Arctic.

"The ice melt is dramatic," he said. "I would not claim to make any statement about the ice melt."

It should, however, remind those who try to use climate change to explain unusual weather in specific areas of how complex climate is and how wide natural variability can be in individual regions.

"Unless global warming starts to accelerate at a rate far beyond what we've seen, it's going to be a long time before weather statistics change so much from the human signal that it would become clearly detectable in the presence of natural variability."

Climate change not fully to blame for melting sea ice: study | CTV News
 

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5th lowest in the satellite record? WOW. The ice record has 1000 year gaps because of less ice than today. What were the dastardly Ancients doing to pull that off?
 

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Sea ice has been a hot topic in recent years -- with average declines of 2.6 per cent per decade since the late 1970s across the circumpolar world.
Why, at that rate it'll all be gone by the early. . . um. . . twenty-fifth century.

At which point they will no doubt be laughing at the crude superstitions that passed for science in the 21st, just as we laugh at the 17th.

Ice extent last March was the fifth lowest for that month in the satellite record.
A satellite record that no doubt stretches back for millennia.
 

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The best satellites were Edwardian. They don't make 'em like they used to.
Oh, and I suppose you think the Edwardians didn't have satellites?

Just shows how limited your knowledge is. The ancient Egyptians had a satellite. And they weren't the first.
 

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If the distance of all the rifts that exist in the oceans were totaled together and the expansion rate calculated to be the same rate fingernails grow, how much area would that take in a year that would need to be replaced by melting ice to keep the level constant? a decade?? a century??? (lets assume the subduction is zero during that time and the contients rise as as solid block as it is a lowering in sea levels that happen naturally from that effect to one that caused by water being gathered in the form of ice at the poles)

If subduction lags behind expansion then the quake that happens would be in the order of 25 miles lateral movement with Van Island being raised and Baja and other points west of the fault being part of the seabed mud that is scraped off actual hard rock of the crust. That part would be visable in a quake from the GOM to Hudson Bay where the crust is above the spot where the liquid magma has cooled and run into move magma coming from the other direction and they both start to sink to the core to replace the hot magma that is causing the rifting of the crust in the first place. A quake there would be 100 miles and the crust would break all the way once to where it was molten and being set in edge the highest peaks would be 25 miles or so and like an iceberg that roll if the weight is enough the block will slowly push itself back into the molten magma and it would melt and head for the core until the weight became too small or the 'suction' had reached a point where only material that was already molten flowed to the core. At some point the earth should stop looking like a ripe grape and begin a process where it ends looking like a raisin. Not like it will be anything less than 3.52338Billion years
 

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Oh, and I suppose you think the Edwardians didn't have satellites?

Just shows how limited your knowledge is. The ancient Egyptians had a satellite. And they weren't the first.
I heard the pyramids were actually the 'casting' for the maneuvering jet nozzles for the flying cities manufactured (and tested) in India. (wonder how many skin tones darker and shorter the people who inhabit the land of Japan will be a few centuries down the road) Perhaps the lines in South America were the tests from navigational tests, sort of like a flying city with the precision of todays water-jets. Probably just a story.
 

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I heard the pyramids were actually the 'casting' for the maneuvering jet nozzles for the flying cities manufactured (and tested) in India. (wonder how many skin tones darker and shorter the people who inhabit the land of Japan will be a few centuries down the road) Perhaps the lines in South America were the tests from navigational tests, sort of like a flying city with the precision of todays water-jets. Probably just a story.
Yeah, well, you read crazy people.

The Moon is a satellite.
 

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Only in a believer's mind. To anyone else it is an epic fail if not outright fraud. I would call it accidemic fraud but that would paint too many real scientists with the same brush.

Belief has nothing to do with it as they stated more conservative estimates.
 

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man knows it all, man.
 

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The Moon is a satellite.
So is the near side mined out of it's heavy metals ot is it ripe for the pickings? The far side seems to have been picked over already judging from the number of 'abandoned pits'.