The Guardian: Occupy was right: capitalism has failed the world

petros

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I didn't know they were doing this sort of thing. This is good to know.

Of course they are. In the end the ecosystems where oil was mined are healthier than before the oil extracted. Now these lands can actually be accessed by the six or seven "living off the land " natives in the region. The rest hunt and fish at wal-mart like the rest of us.
 

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They have no choice seeing how it's green beans who they hired to do it the way greens want.

Being a green bean hired by a company does not equate to honesty. We hear about this issue when it comes to fisheries and ocean's scientists being silenced.
 

petros

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Being a green bean hired by a company does not equate to honesty. We hear about this issue when it comes to fisheries and ocean's scientists being silenced.
Why not? They aren't forced to hide anything and can quit and whistle blow anytime they want.

Have you heard any former Environmental Scientists from resource industry whistle blow?

Do resource companies sift through the environmental scientists and only hire the evil green beans?
 

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Why not? They aren't forced to hide anything and can quit and whistle blow anytime they want.

Have you heard any former Environmental Scientists from resource industry whistle blow?

Do resource companies sift through the environmental scientists and only hire the evil green beans?

You mean you haven't heard about scientists being silenced in Canada?

Do you think they wouldn't succumb to gov't pressure or their own greed?

You don't think that large corporations couldn't weed out absolute do-gooders and find those who're more likely to tow their line?
 

petros

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You mean you haven't heard about scientists being silenced in Canada?

Do you think they wouldn't succumb to gov't pressure or their own greed?

You don't think that large corporations couldn't weed out absolute do-gooders and find those who're more likely to tow their line?

I'm silenced too. I don't own my data, I just collect it and am not allowed by penalty of laws to disclose ANYTHING to anyone.

What pressure? What greed? They make fantastic money applying their green beanery degrees towards being green.

I think it very hilarious that you think that just because an environmental scientist works in resources they must be evil, greedy or gotten to by some omnipresent power wielding a big stick.
 

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Question, petros. Do you think all environmentalism is a scam, and resource extraction companies, if left completely unregulated, would return their mined, drilled, strip-mined land to a pristine-or-better condition out of the goodness of their hearts?

The reason I ask is because I've never seen anything from you except hatred and contempt for people who are a little concerned about forests, lakes, rivers, &c.
 

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Question, petros. Do you think all environmentalism is a scam, and resource extraction companies, if left completely unregulated, would return their mined, drilled, strip-mined land to a pristine-or-better condition out of the goodness of their hearts?

The reason I ask is because I've never seen anything from you except hatred and contempt for people who are a little concerned about forests, lakes, rivers, &c.

The people who are a "little concerned" aren't making a living off or trying to impede progress using bullsh-t are they?

If you want to be a green bean be a real one and get a job in reclamation then you can stand up and say "I did something, what did you do?"
 

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The people who are a "little concerned" aren't making a living off or trying to impede progress using bullsh-t are they?
Everybody makes a living off something. There's resource extraction people never been within a hundred miles of a coal mine or an oil rig. Don't see you hating them none.

If you want to be a green bean be a real one and get a job in reclamation then you can stand up and say "I did something, what did you do?"
OK, right after the Vice President for Corporate and Government Affairs of Friendly Oil Company puts on a hard hat and picks up a shovel that isn't all shiny and nickel-plated.

I notice that you didn't address my question. But that's OK, you answered it anyhow.

I mostly like you. But I think it's sad that you think of "progress" only in terms of barrels drilled or cubic metres mined.

Seriously. Not patronising you. Just think about it some.
 

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Everybody makes a living off something. There's resource extraction people never been within a hundred miles of a coal mine or an oil rig. Don't see you hating them none.


OK, right after the Vice President for Corporate and Government Affairs of Friendly Oil Company puts on a hard hat and picks up a shovel that isn't all shiny and nickel-plated.

I notice that you didn't address my question. But that's OK, you answered it anyhow.

I mostly like you. But I think it's sad that you think of "progress" only in terms of barrels drilled or cubic metres mined.

Seriously. Not patronising you. Just think about it some.
where did you get the idea it's all bottom line in my eyes.

What are your opinions of those who took the Inituative to get off their asses and work the frontlines only to have their hard work slammed by the clueless?

The people who got off their asses are doing one f-cked of good job but because they work resources they are evil, greedy or gotten to.

If greens don't like what greens are doing, quit being green.
 
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where did you get the idea it's all bottom line in my eyes.
Due respect, from your posts, petros.

What are your opinions of those who took the Inituative to get off their asses and work the frontlines only to have their hard work slammed by the clueless?
Are you kidding? I worked my way through law school. You think you and your colleagues get one tenth of the crap lawyers get from every side all the time? I'll make my usual offer. $1000 to your favourite charity if you can come up with a lawyer joke I ain't already heard a hundred times.

Man up. And part of manning up is to separate the legitimate points of the "other side" from the screaming-meemie BS.

But spare me the "I work so hard and they're so MEAN to me!" snivelling.
 

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The green beans doing the reclamation and ensuring Ecofriendly practises are about me?

I have a lot of respect for the enviro scientists who work their as$es off but zero respect for armchair activists who slam the work of those who actually doing what others think they aren't.

Do you believe the environmental scientists working in field have it all wrong, are throttled by employers, overwhelmed by greed or were evil to begin with because of who they work for?

Girl up
 

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The green beans doing the reclamation and ensuring Ecofriendly practises are about me?
No, this conversation is about you. You're interesting to me. Consider that a compliment.

I have a lot of respect for the enviro scientists who work their as$es off but zero respect for armchair activists who slam the work of those who actually doing what others think they aren't.
Will you accept that activists sometimes have a point? That if it weren't for their rabble-rousing, the money guys would ignore the enviro scientists completely (this goes back to my question of whether you think the extraction companies would reclaim the land out of the goodness of their hearts if they were completely unregulated).

Do you believe the environmental scientists working in field have it all wrong, are throttled by employers, overwhelmed by greed or were evil to begin with because of who they work for?
I don't care who they work for. Never did. In many ways the guys within the system are far more effective than the yapping "activists." But again, I've heard you heap plenty of contempt on the environmental activists, and I've never heard you heap similar contempt on the corporate lobbyists trying to weaken environmental standards to the point where they can do their extraction thing and then move on, leaving a toxic dump behind.

No, I'm not going to date you.
 

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Do you not litter because laws tell you not to or you just don't because you think it's wrong?

What gave you idea resource companies would dump and trash the globe like it was 1950 if given the option?

What is the point of resource companies hiring environmental scientists when the armchair as$holes keep slamming their good work?
 

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What gave you idea resource companies would dump and trash the globe like it was 1950 if given the option?
Umm. . . the fact that they did exactly that until they were required by law to reclaim the land? And the fact that in countries where they are not so required, they leave the land desolate and poisoned (like Nigeria)?

What is the point of resource companies hiring environmental scientists when the armchair as$holes keep slamming their good work?
So, somebody talks bad about you, and you're going to pack it in and stomp off in a huff?

Pony up.
 

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I worked my way through law school.

 

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Do you not litter because laws tell you not to or you just don't because you think it's wrong?

Because I care and it is wrong. I have never seen anybody get busted for littering.

What gave you idea resource companies would dump and trash the globe like it was 1950 if given the option?

They still do. A lot of it ends up underground where nobody can see it but it still degrades the the environment.

What is the point of resource companies hiring environmental scientists when the armchair as$holes keep slamming their good work?
They hire environmental scientists because it is the law, not because they have a conscience. The bottom line is all that matters to capitalists. People rise to the position of CEO because they are sociopaths and psychopaths. They have no conscience, empathy or sympathy for anybody. They are ruthless and if they tell an environmental scientist in their employ to bury evidence, it gets buried or they are fired or black balled.
 

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So the green beans hired by resource companies are sweeping everything under the rug? Why?
Not everything but some and because they are afraid to lose their cushy jobs like everybody else. They have mortgages and are in dept like everybody else - they are wage slaves to the bank.

Capitalism works
Only for capitalists. Not so much for wage slaves.