How about them Canucks!
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Yep, getting rid of Lu was probably one of the dumbest moves in the N.H.L. since making Bettman commissioner!
yeah, we watched most of that game, dallas was leading 2-0 but let it get away, and luongo made
lots of real good saves to keep it going for florida, and also dallas seemed to get a bit
tired, as they are at the end of a road trip, seemed to sag about half way thru the game.
phoenix and dallas play each other in their last game of the season,
so one will get points, maybe two will.
right now nashville are actually ahead of canucks.
now if winnipeg would only pass canucks, would be another higher draft pick.
AND, ottawa and carolina should pass them too, would help even more.
torterella was the one who got rid of lu,which also probably caused canucks to be out of the playoffs. he would have been with canucks at least till the end of this
season, then he would have been gone, it was inevitable, as that contract was choking them, it is
a good thing, as now they have money to work with, and the cap is going up so management don't
have their hands tied any more, and can wheel and deal, and re-sign etc. during the summer.
canucks have a very good goalie in lack, and apparantly markstrom also has the potential to
be a very good goalie, so looking ahead and not back, makes the canucks look fine.
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The Oilers just proved the Ducks aren't invincible as may be proved again tomorrow night! -
You're not thinking like Old Yogi! -
You're not thinking like Old Yogi! -
The Oilers just proved the Ducks aren't invincible as may be proved again tomorrow night! -
yeah, we just finished watching that game, it was very good, and edmonton played well for two periods,
while anaheim cruised around playing the role, but not working nearly hard enough.
then anaheim turned it up in the last period, shot from everywhere, but couldn't quite get it done.
edmonton are fun to watch, those young guns are getting better and better, can't wait till the team
get rounded out with a balanced defence/offence, then look out.
if anaheim come into rogers place like they came to edmonton, canucks will control the game for most
of it, but if they come to 'work', canucks won't.
anaheim is a funny team that way, they can look quite lazy, and arrogant, they know how good they
are, but sometimes try to win the game just knowing how good they are, and don't show it, a bit
lazy, just expecting it to happen, they have been like that for a couple of years.
and also, back to back can take its toll sometimes.
The Oilers just proved the Ducks aren't invincible as may be proved again tomorrow night! -
You're not thinking like Old Yogi! -
nice saying, sometimes its true.
I think if there is blame to go with the Luongo issue it starts with Vignault. Did he really need to declare Schneider the new #1? They could have kept all the shananigans in-house and just played whoever was hot. Going public embarrassed Lu and once the horse was out of the barn a trade was inevitable.
I don't think they were going anywhere no matter who was in goal. Lack has played as well as Luongo. Maybe better.
I don't think they were going anywhere no matter who was in goal. Lack has played as well as Luongo. Maybe better.
vineault turned to schneider when luongo was floundering, which seemed necessary at the time. i don't
remember him declaring schneider as the new#1, i'm sure you are right, i just don't remember.
i thought he just played himself into that spot, which he did, as luongo wasn't playing well and
it was playoff time, and of course the coach is going to play what ever goalie he thinks will get
him a playoff win, (unlike the heritage game, which wasn't totally crucial) and luongo wasn't playing
bad at that time. lack didn't play well in the heritage game, luongo could
have won that game, we will never know, he wanted that game 'so' much,
he was excited to play in it, he probably would have played very well.
and when he left, lack was a bit 'off' sometimes, as he had lost his
brick wall to lean against, so important for him at that time, that is
what kept him playing so well.
as far as luongo staying for the rest of this season, yes, it could have saved them the last playoff spot,
but that was only going to get them there, which is most important to the coach, but in reality, i
want them in that lottery, could get them higher in the draft, if they are lucky.
as soon as luongo knew he had lost the #1 spot, he wanted out, and he stated that he wants to be #1,
somewhere, not a backup, his pride was not going to allow him to stay as a #2, he would admit that,
and i don't blame him, schneider was unbelievable at that time, good for the team, but unlucky for
luongo.
are you sure vineault named schneider the #1, doesn't seem like him at all to do that, but he did
obviously play himself into that spot.
In a roundabout way. I think Vignault was the guy who broke the news that Luongo wanted a trade and that the Canucks had to do what's best for the organization. So, what was best for the organization was Schneider being the new permanent starter and finding a new home for Luongo. There was no turning back after that. I'm sure Lu would've stayed the course publicly and worked behind the scenes but when the coach disclosed that the fate was sealed.
just doesn't sound like vineault, he was always very hisitant to talk 'about' any player unless he was
asked about their condition or why they weren't in the lineup etc.
and if he was asked why luongo wasn't playing, he would have said that
he will play the goalie that would most help the team to win.
luongo would 'never' stay and be behind the scenes, he stated publicly, more than once, that he wanted
to play, he wanted to be a #1, and he definitely wasn't interested in anything else, he was totally
devoted to being a great goalie, worked so so hard at it, that was his only 'want', so he and schneider
worked together in a very professional manner, and waited for the trade to happen, but because of
that ridiculous contract, and also last year gillis would not budge to accept anything but a very
high return, which he definitely changed in attitude not long ago, when luongo was traded. canucks
are paying some of that contract now, and will till its termination.
Was Schneider so good that Luongo had to become an obvious 2nd stringer? Wouldn't they have had more trade leverage if things had been kept a little less in-house? Vignault's commitment to playing Schneider ahead of Luongo on a rather permanent basis (a guy who for his first 5 years wasn't worth squat in goal) and letting everyone know Lu wasn't in their long range plans, helped create the gong show. My point was Vignault is as much to blame for everything that happened .. from Lu getting embarrassed and frustrated to the Canucks looking desperate to trade him.
Nevertheless, he was going no matter what after that. Now, in hindsight, wouldn't Nonis be looking better if had gone to Toronto? They would most likely be set for the playoffs right now. With all this stuff made so public all the GM's had to play the GM game and look like tough negotiators, rather than cut a realistic deal.
Nevertheless, he was going no matter what after that. Now, in hindsight, wouldn't Nonis be looking better if had gone to Toronto? They would most likely be set for the playoffs right now. With all this stuff made so public all the GM's had to play the GM game and look like tough negotiators, rather than cut a realistic deal.
yeah, guess one could also blame vineault, but coaches have tunnel vision,
they only want to win, don't think of anything else, and will put the players on the ice that
they believe will win, and don't think of anything else, just like
torterella did in the heritage game, he was so scared of losing, that he
could't think, and he shot himself in the foot, made a big mistake, lack
did not play well, was like a deer in the headlights, and luongo was
devastated.
the difference between vineault and torterella is that luongo was not
playing well at all, and hadn't been for sometime in vineault's case, but
with torterella, luongo had been playing fine, and torterella was stuck
on lack, couldn't let go of him, that came back to smack him in the face.
definitely, both gms must were holding off, staying stubborn with their own offers, and both
walked away, not able to think logically, but made sure they weren't the one who caved, (but also weren't able to create something to
actually happen),then blamed the other. gillis and nonis should have been smacked side of the head for dumb stubborness.
now that a year went by, gillis made a deal that nonis would have drooled over.
anyway, luongo is happy, he even tweeted last night, saying that he was glad to help canucks stay alive,
still on the payroll. lol
can't look back, must look ahead, and i am interested to watch and see how
this all plays out, as far as players go, i see lots of upside, that will
work itself out, but much depends on who is the g.m. and who is the coach,
so that is the next important thing.
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Canucks try to keep playoff hopes alive vs. DucksSunday, 04.06.2014 / 10:00 PMSean McCullen - NHL.com Staff
PrintDUCKS (50-20-8) at CANUCKS (35-32-11)
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Last 10: Anaheim 5-4-1; Vancouver 5-4-1
Season series: This is the fifth and final game. The Anaheim Ducks have outscored the Vancouver Canucks 14-2 in their past two games, including a 9-1 win Jan. 15, and 21-6 through the first four.
Big story: The Ducks will look to extend their lead on the idle San Jose Sharks in the Pacific Division after failing to do so Sunday night. They can also move to within a point of the St. Louis Blues for the top spot in the Western Conference with a win.
Anaheim remained one point ahead of the second-place Sharks in the Pacific and three points behind the Blues in the conference standings after its 4-2 loss against the Edmonton Oilers on Sunday. The Sharks, who have played one more game than the Ducks, don't return to action until a showdown in Anaheim on Wednesday. The Blues, who lost 4-2 to the Chicago Blackhawks in a Sunday matinee, host the Washington Capitals on Tuesday.
The Canucks are six points behind the Dallas Stars, who hold the second and final Western Conference wild-card spot into the Stanley Cup Playoffs, with four games remaining. In addition to the six-point gap, the Phoenix Coyotes and Nashville Predators are between Vancouver and Dallas in the standings.
Team Scope:
Ducks: Corey Perry's 42nd goal pulled Anaheim within one of Edmonton in the third period, but the Ducks could not complete the rally. Jakob Silfverberg was credited with a goal when a rebound of his own shot went in off Edmonton's Sam Gagner at 1:20 of the first period, but the Oilers scored three unanswered goals in the second.
Ducks goalie Jonas Hiller has allowed 11 goals and has a .836 save percentage in his past three starts (0-2-1). He returned from a three-game mental break to allow four goals on 17 shots in a 5-2 loss to the Nashville Predators on Friday.
"Normally, I feel pretty good finding my way, getting back into it," Hiller said after the game Sunday. "I think there were some good things, especially early in the game, I made a couple of good saves. I have to build on that and try not to worry too much about it. I have to keep looking forward and take games as they come."
Canucks: Vancouver snapped a three-game slide with a come-from-behind 2-1 win against the Los Angeles Kings on Saturday night. Alexander Edler tied the game a little more than a minute into the third period, and Brad Richardson scored the game-winner with 1:23 remaining to give the Canucks their first win against the Kings in five games this season.
"Richie has been there all year long. [The game Saturday was] one you have to do things on the wall. [The Kings play] along the wall and forces you there quite a bit," coach John Tortorella said of Richardson. "He does all those dirty jobs. Nice to see him get rewarded. … Faceoffs, you see how he's digging in on faceoffs. You guys know how I feel about him. He's a tremendous pro and has been a huge acquisition for this club."
Henrik Sedin returned to the lineup after missing four games with a leg injury.
Eddie Lack would tie the Vancouver record for consecutive starts by a rookie goaltender at 19 (Corey Hirsch) if Tortorella goes with him as expected. The 26-year-old Swede is 8-8-2 in his past 18 starts with a .902 save percentage.
Who's hot: Ducks center Ryan Getzlaf has 12 points in his past 10 games. He has at least a point in five of six games and eight of 10. Perry has five goals in his past five games. … Canucks right wing Zack Kassian has at least a point in five of six games. He has two goals and six assists over that span.
Injury report: Anaheim defenseman Mark Fistric (lower body) and goalie Frederik Andersen (head) are day-to-day. Defenseman Cam Fowler (sprained MCL) and right wing Tim Jackman (broken left hand) are out. … Vancouver defenseman Christopher Tanev (hand) is out. Defenseman Yannick Weber (undisclosed) was scratched Saturday. Tortorella said he was "nicked up."
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i heard from a very good source, who talked about that fellow named 'archer' who resigned his job with
team canada, has very high value when it comes to being a g.m./president of hockey.
it was suggested that he might be interested in either canucks or oilers as his next possible position.
he is a b.c. guy, so we will follow that and see where it goes.
person said he is well known and highly respected in many places around the world in hockey areas.
so while we are wondering just what will happen in management with the canucks, one never knows what
the aquillini's are up to.
PrintDUCKS (50-20-8) at CANUCKS (35-32-11)
TV: PRIME, SNET-P
Last 10: Anaheim 5-4-1; Vancouver 5-4-1
Season series: This is the fifth and final game. The Anaheim Ducks have outscored the Vancouver Canucks 14-2 in their past two games, including a 9-1 win Jan. 15, and 21-6 through the first four.
Big story: The Ducks will look to extend their lead on the idle San Jose Sharks in the Pacific Division after failing to do so Sunday night. They can also move to within a point of the St. Louis Blues for the top spot in the Western Conference with a win.
Anaheim remained one point ahead of the second-place Sharks in the Pacific and three points behind the Blues in the conference standings after its 4-2 loss against the Edmonton Oilers on Sunday. The Sharks, who have played one more game than the Ducks, don't return to action until a showdown in Anaheim on Wednesday. The Blues, who lost 4-2 to the Chicago Blackhawks in a Sunday matinee, host the Washington Capitals on Tuesday.
The Canucks are six points behind the Dallas Stars, who hold the second and final Western Conference wild-card spot into the Stanley Cup Playoffs, with four games remaining. In addition to the six-point gap, the Phoenix Coyotes and Nashville Predators are between Vancouver and Dallas in the standings.
Team Scope:
Ducks: Corey Perry's 42nd goal pulled Anaheim within one of Edmonton in the third period, but the Ducks could not complete the rally. Jakob Silfverberg was credited with a goal when a rebound of his own shot went in off Edmonton's Sam Gagner at 1:20 of the first period, but the Oilers scored three unanswered goals in the second.
Ducks goalie Jonas Hiller has allowed 11 goals and has a .836 save percentage in his past three starts (0-2-1). He returned from a three-game mental break to allow four goals on 17 shots in a 5-2 loss to the Nashville Predators on Friday.
"Normally, I feel pretty good finding my way, getting back into it," Hiller said after the game Sunday. "I think there were some good things, especially early in the game, I made a couple of good saves. I have to build on that and try not to worry too much about it. I have to keep looking forward and take games as they come."
Canucks: Vancouver snapped a three-game slide with a come-from-behind 2-1 win against the Los Angeles Kings on Saturday night. Alexander Edler tied the game a little more than a minute into the third period, and Brad Richardson scored the game-winner with 1:23 remaining to give the Canucks their first win against the Kings in five games this season.
"Richie has been there all year long. [The game Saturday was] one you have to do things on the wall. [The Kings play] along the wall and forces you there quite a bit," coach John Tortorella said of Richardson. "He does all those dirty jobs. Nice to see him get rewarded. … Faceoffs, you see how he's digging in on faceoffs. You guys know how I feel about him. He's a tremendous pro and has been a huge acquisition for this club."
Henrik Sedin returned to the lineup after missing four games with a leg injury.
Eddie Lack would tie the Vancouver record for consecutive starts by a rookie goaltender at 19 (Corey Hirsch) if Tortorella goes with him as expected. The 26-year-old Swede is 8-8-2 in his past 18 starts with a .902 save percentage.
Who's hot: Ducks center Ryan Getzlaf has 12 points in his past 10 games. He has at least a point in five of six games and eight of 10. Perry has five goals in his past five games. … Canucks right wing Zack Kassian has at least a point in five of six games. He has two goals and six assists over that span.
Injury report: Anaheim defenseman Mark Fistric (lower body) and goalie Frederik Andersen (head) are day-to-day. Defenseman Cam Fowler (sprained MCL) and right wing Tim Jackman (broken left hand) are out. … Vancouver defenseman Christopher Tanev (hand) is out. Defenseman Yannick Weber (undisclosed) was scratched Saturday. Tortorella said he was "nicked up."
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i heard from a very good source, who talked about that fellow named 'archer' who resigned his job with
team canada, has very high value when it comes to being a g.m./president of hockey.
it was suggested that he might be interested in either canucks or oilers as his next possible position.
he is a b.c. guy, so we will follow that and see where it goes.
person said he is well known and highly respected in many places around the world in hockey areas.
so while we are wondering just what will happen in management with the canucks, one never knows what
the aquillini's are up to.
Look for a little evening up tonight, Talloola (and remember where you heard it first) L.O.L.
ducks must be a bit grumpy by tonight, they haven't played well for two games in a row, and they are
trying to get past san jose, into first place again, and can't seem to do it, so they have another
chance tonight.
just watching minnesota play winnipeg, 1-0 minny right now. they have been playing very well of late.
guess we still don't get to see markstrom again, maybe next game.
Maybe if the Canucks can get up 6 goals on Anaheim by the end of the 2nd period, John would let Markstrom play the third.
Well it's probably all for the best they are out of it. What with the light in the evenings and tolerable temperatures and lots of work in the yard and planting the garden etc. etc. it would be a shame tying up roughly 9 hours a week in front of the idiot box! - We can take our mind off them now until October.
We can take our mind off them now until October.
ok, thats it i don't have to listen any more to that mathematical silliness.
canucks started the game well, with exception to the henrik boo boo, but they hustled
and were the better team first period, but someone had to remind them that the game
had two more periods, and for both of those periods canucks didn't show up, looked
terrible.
i listened to everything gary valk said after the game, i like his analyzing each game,
he played the game, certainly knows the game, and his insight into the whys things didn't
go well this year make a lot of sense to me.
colorado on thursday
canucks started the game well, with exception to the henrik boo boo, but they hustled
and were the better team first period, but someone had to remind them that the game
had two more periods, and for both of those periods canucks didn't show up, looked
terrible.
i listened to everything gary valk said after the game, i like his analyzing each game,
he played the game, certainly knows the game, and his insight into the whys things didn't
go well this year make a lot of sense to me.
colorado on thursday
I shut it off after the 2nd period, checked it half way through the third on the computer! Sometimes when you get up in the morning your legs are like rubber, Canucks had an epidemic of it this year! They had about 10 - 15 games of brilliance this year, so we know they CAN do it, but CAN ain't good enough.