How about them Canucks!

[Kreskin]

Now lets see how this unfolds. I heard someone speculate that the Canucks could fire Tortorella for cause in order to not pay him his remaining 4 years. They pointed to Gillis' comments the other day when he referred to an event that embarrassed the team etc, that Gillis, being a lawyer, was setting up the dismissal. The 'cause' would be for supposed violation of code of conduct in his contract for the melee with Calgary. However, firing for cause isn't a retroactive event. They might have been able to do that when it occurred, or when he was suspended, but I can't see it now. It can't be much 'cause' if you can wait it out and see if he should be canned. Having said that, Torts has really been on his best behavior the last couple of weeks. I'm sure he wants to keep his interview soundbites calm and tactful in the event he needs to draw on them for proof of us professional conduct. He likely knows they could pull the plug in a flash with fresh misconduct.

Who knows what is in the cards but it's always fun to speculate.

 

[talloola]

Now lets see how this unfolds. I heard someone speculate that the Canucks could fire Tortorella for cause in order to not pay him his remaining 4 years. They pointed to Gillis' comments the other day when he referred to an event that embarrassed the team etc, that Gillis, being a lawyer, was setting up the dismissal. The 'cause' would be for supposed violation of code of conduct in his contract for the melee with Calgary. However, firing for cause isn't a retroactive event. They might have been able to do that when it occurred, or when he was suspended, but I can't see it now. It can't be much 'cause' if you can wait it out and see if he should be canned. Having said that, Torts has really been on his best behavior the last couple of weeks. I'm sure he wants to keep his interview soundbites calm and tactful in the event he needs to draw on them for proof of us professional conduct. He likely knows they could pull the plug in a flash with fresh misconduct.

Who knows what is in the cards but it's always fun to speculate.

very interesting indeed, but as you say, it should have been done immediately, at least to a lawyer, and
maybe it was, but put on hold till seasons ends. never have heard of any such thing in hockey, but
yes, gillis being a lawyer, and also his disgust at torterella's behavior on that evening in calgary,
does fit with his following it up with some sort of action.
torterella has another four years at 2 mill per year. he doesn't need to lose his composure to the media,
he is content, he is rich, he and his wife have plenty of security for the next four years plus. he is
laughing inside, he has got that big contract, so doesn't matter who's feathers are ruffled, he is going
to sound smooth and friendly and keep the media and 'some fans' on his side, and if he is fired he will
walk away, pack up and move to the east, (he never did leave the u.s., he lives in pt. roberts), and
settle where ever they want, do their dog rescue thing, and probably get into media stuff with tsn or
whoever, till some team bites the hook again, and decides to ask him to coach.

 

[JLM]

Blaming Tortorella for their losses seems like a bit of a cop out to me. I'd split the blame three ways myself, player error, player injury and encountering tougher teams.

 

[#juan]

Just a few thoughts here. There are lots of excuses but that game with the Ducks last night was a disaster no matter how you looked at it. I stopped counting the give aways, the missed checks, and the bone headed moves that made Vancouver look like a junior B team. We used to have two pretty good goaltenders.......now we don't. Lack made a few good saves but he got little help from the defense that was mostly absent. A lot of these problems lead back to Tortorella and Gillis. I know the team has had a lot of injuries but the team just doesn't have the depth to counter injuries to key players and that goes directly back to Gillis and the owners. There have been players available over the year but we apparently weren't interested. One of the problems might be that we can fill the seats no matter how bad we play.

 

[talloola]

mike gillis has just been fired, so here is the first of probably many different moves for the canucks.

Blaming Tortorella for their losses seems like a bit of a cop out to me. I'd split the blame three ways myself, player error, player injury and encountering tougher teams.

player error that i see reflects right back to coaching, and playing tougher teams reflects on how
the team has faded throughout the year, again coaching, and injuries in my opinion, which came
toward xmas and after reflects fatigue on the players from overplaying them.

gillis deserves what he got, so now i wonder who is next.

i need to correct the name i gave the other day, bob nicholson is the
man i was referring to who has resigned from hockey canada, and maybe
a possibility as president and g.m. for canucks, i wonder.

pierre mcGuire would also be a very good g.m., as he know every player
in the league, has a photographic memory, can give their background
stats and anything one needs to know, he has coached, and i know he
is interested in becoming a g.m., i wonder again.

 

[bill barilko]

Oh Happy Day - The Edwin Hawkins Singers - YouTube

 

[talloola]

there is rumours out there that j feaster could be a candidate for g.m. for canucks, that makes
me want to 'barf', as he made a big mess in calgary.

but if torterella is going to keep his job, he and feaster worked together in tampa bay, and
torterella would probably be campaigning to get feaster for g.m.

if so this will become a torterella chosen team, and fans will not be happy, as the style of game
will never go back to how vineault had them playing through the 'best' times, as torterella doesn't
coach that way.

i hope torterella also leaves so that the new g.m. can start fresh and choose his own coach, that
should be the g.ms job, unless they hire a puppet g.m. who dances to the tune of the owners.

there are strong rumours that tomorrow when francesco aquillini has his press conference, that trevor

linden will be sitting at his side, and will be introduced as canucks new president.

another i wonder, lots of stories today.

 

[bill barilko]

For those who know the hockey business-when it comes to judging new talent does a GM rely mainly on reports from scouts or does he use mostly videos or both?

Because looking @ some of the decisions Gillis made over the years I remember a lot of the new talent as no talent nobodies that any hockey man should be able to spot @ a distance as such.

So would a new GM not need to set up a whole new structure in that regard?

 

[talloola]

For those who know the hockey business-when it comes to judging new talent does a GM rely mainly on reports from scouts or does he use mostly videos or both?

Because looking @ some of the decisions Gillis made over the years I remember a lot of the new talent as no talent nobodies that any hockey man should be able to spot @ a distance as such.

So would a new GM not need to set up a whole new structure in that regard?

if they take their time and hire the 'right' g.m. And not another green g.m. who hAd never done
the job before (re: mike gillis,) he should know exactly what he wants to do, has had lots of
experience in that regard, be able to revamp the scouting people in the organization, and
start up with his 'own' power.

mike gillis made lots of mistakes, but i still never hear about the good deals he made along the way,
there was some. he was a green g.m. so the aquillini's have to think about that now, before they
jump into another hiring of that position.

i wonder now just how they made the decision to hire him in the first place, it is curious to me.

 

[Kreskin]

Why don't they make Tortorella the GM then have him hire a new coach?

 

[talloola]

Why don't they make Tortorella the GM then have him hire a new coach?

very funny

 

[JLM]

very funny

Actually, maybe not!

 

[talloola]

Actually, maybe not!

please explain yourself further.

actually, why isn't it a funny idea then.
explain in detail why you think making torterella the g.m.
might be a serious idea.

 

[JLM]

please explain yourself further.

actually, why isn't it a funny idea then.
explain in detail why you think making torterella the g.m.
might be a serious idea.

I don't think there's any details, the man obviously knows something about hockey and there's always the possibility his talents are more in line with managing than coaching. He certainly wouldn't be the first to perform both roles. Sometimes it's not a bad idea to use what you have before bringing in an unknown quantity. I never said it would work, but still should it be discarded without thought and consideration? Brian Burke was the manager at one point, couldn't see Tortorella being any worse.

 

[talloola]

sad to say, the leafs were eliminated from the playoffs tonight, i'm not sorry, but i know there

are those who are, so join the club.

 

[JLM]

sad to say, the leafs were eliminated from the playoffs tonight, i'm not sorry, but i know there

are those who are, so join the club.

I don't suppose it will destroy my year, but my first loyalties are to Canadian based teams of which we seem to have a lack in the playoffs.

 

[talloola]

I don't suppose it will destroy my year, but my first loyalties are to Canadian based teams of which we seem to have a lack in the playoffs.

you will suffer much more than i, as my first loyalty is to 'western conference', so i feel just fine. lol

I don't think there's any details, the man obviously knows something about hockey and there's always the possibility his talents are more in line with managing than coaching. He certainly wouldn't be the first to perform both roles. Sometimes it's not a bad idea to use what you have before bringing in an unknown quantity. I never said it would work, but still should it be discarded without thought and consideration? Brian Burke was the manager at one point, couldn't see Tortorella being any worse.

hmmm, i deleted all of my reply to this post, wasn't thinking when i did next post, oh well, i'm sure
you have read it.

brian burke has been a g m for many years, still is, i'm certainly glad he isn't available, that would
be scary, anyway, there would be an uprising of the fans if his name was mentioned for a return to vancouver.

kreskin was just joking, thought i would mention that.

 

[JLM]

you will suffer much more than i, as my first loyalty is to 'western conference', so i feel just fine. lol



hmmm, i deleted all of my reply to this post, wasn't thinking when i did next post, oh well, i'm sure
you have read it.

brian burke has been a g m for many years, still is, i'm certainly glad he isn't available, that would
be scary, anyway, there would be an uprising of the fans if his name was mentioned for a return to vancouver.

kreskin was just joking, thought i would mention that.

Mine was a little "tongue in cheek", but I learned years ago not to under estimate people- sometimes what they know can shock you. As far as loyalties go I'll just have to figure out a way to struggle along. - Just remember when Montreal wins the cup you heard it here first. L.O.L.

 

[talloola]

Mine was a little "tongue in cheek", but I learned years ago not to under estimate people- sometimes what they know can shock you. As far as loyalties go I'll just have to figure out a way to struggle along. - Just remember when Montreal wins the cup you heard it here first. L.O.L.

montreal was 'my' team since i was a little girl, till l970 when canucks were born, so i do always
have a bit of a soft spot for them.

 

[JLM]

you will suffer much more than i, as my first loyalty is to 'western conference', so i feel just fine. lol

I'm a Canadian first closely followed by "Westerner". -