The Soviet Story - a must-see for all students of history

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Why should he? Prove that the sections are false as you have asserted.
40:00 Soviet help for the Nazi empire but not a peep about how the Western banks were financing them to the hilt

Oil, ore, and grain all purchased by Germany rather than just sent as in gifted or part of the Nazi buildup. When you leave the money part out it is propaganda. When you look at who actually financed Hitler then US banks are the ones who made those purchases possible and some of the provided material in the posts show clearly that Hitler was financed by the West and by the Rothschild bankers.

The finance aspect of Hitler starts at 4:00 -10:00 (at least)
Rothschild Cartel behind the rise of Hitler also funding communism socialism and world war - YouTube

The text version of the same data that again shows the USSR was selling materials rather than gifting them and that does not make them part of the Nazi war machine if you refuse to include who financed the purchases. The modern equivalent is the US supplying arms to Syrian rebels that are purchased by the Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia (1 of 5) America funded Saddam in the Iran/Iraq war yet how often is that mentioned yet tin the USSR supplying Germany with materials is suddenly promoted that they were partners in the coming war.

CHAPTER THREE: General Electric Funds Hitler

The multi-national giant General Electric has an unparalleled role in twentieth-century history. The General Electric Company electrified the Soviet Union in the 1920s and 1930s, and fulfilled for the Soviets Lenin's dictum that "Socialism = electrification."1 The Swope Plan, created by General Electric's one-time president Gerard Swope, became Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal, by a process deplored by one-time President Herbert Hoover and described in Wall Street and FDR.2 There was a long-lasting, intimate relationship between Swope and Young of General Electric Company and the Roosevelt family, as there was between General Electric and the Soviet Union. In 1936 Senator James A. Reed of Missouri, an early Roosevelt supporter, became aware of Roosevelt's betrayal of liberal ideas and attacked the Roosevelt New Deal program as a "tyrannical" measure "leading to despotism, [and] sought by its sponsors under the communistic cry of 'Social Justice.'" Senator Reed further charged on the floor of the Senate that Franklin D. Roosevelt was a "hired man for the economic royalists" in Wall Street and that the Roosevelt family "is one of the largest stockholders in the General Electric Company."3 As we probe into behind-the-scenes German interwar history and the story of Hitler and Naziism, we find both Owen D. Young and Gerard Swope of General Electric tied to the rise of Hitlerism and the suppression of German democracy. That General Electric directors are to be found in each of these three distinct historical categories — i.e., the development of the Soviet Union, the creation of Roosevelt's New Deal, and the rise of Hitlerism — suggests how elements of Big Business are keenly interested in the socialization of the world, for their own purposes and objectives, rather than the maintenance of the impartial market place in a free society.4 General Electric profited handsomely from Bolshevism, from Roosevelt's New Deal socialism, and, as we shall see below, from national socialism in Hitler's Germany.






Owen D. Young of General Electric was one of the three U.S. delegates to the 1923 Dawes Plan meeting which established the German reparations program. And in the Dawes and Young Plans we can see how some private firms were able to benefit from the power of the State. The largest single loans from Wall Street to Germany during the 1920s were reparations loans; it was ultimately the U.S. investor who paid for German reparations. The cartelization of the German electrical industry under A.E.G. (as well as the steel and chemical industries discussed in Chapters One and Two) was made possible with these Wall Street loans:
Date of
Offering
Borrower Managing Bank
in the U.S.
Face Amount
of Issue
Jan. 26, 1925 Allgemeine Elektrizitats-Gesellschaft (A. E, G.) National City Co. $10,000,000 Dec. 9, 1925 Allgemeine National City Co. Elektrizitats-Gesellschaft (A. E.G. )
10,000,000 May 22, 1928 Allgemeine
Elektrizitats-
Gesellschaft (A.E.G.)
National City Co. 10,000,000 June 7, 1928 Allgemeine Elektrizitats-Gesellschaft (A. E.G.) National City Co. 5,000,000


General Electric and the Financing of Hitler
The tap root of modern corporate socialism runs deep into the management of two affiliated multi-national corporations: General Electric Company in the United States and its foreign associates, including German General Electric (A.E.G.), and Osram in Germany. We have noted that Gerard Swope, second president and chairman of General Electric, and Walter Rathanau of A.E.G. promoted radical ideas for control of the State by private business interests.
From 1915 onwards International General Electric (I.G.E.), located at120 Broadway in New York City, acted as the foreign investment, manufacturing, and selling organization for the General Electric Company. I.G.E. held interests in overseas manufacturing companies including a 25 to 30-percent holding in German General Electric (A.E.G.), plus holdings in Osram G.m.b.H. Kommanditgesellschaft, also in Berlin. These holdings gave International General Electric four directors on the board of A.E.G., and another director at Osram, and significant influence in the internal domestic policies of these German companies. The significance of this General Electric ownership is that A.E.G. and Osram were prominent suppliers of funds for Hitler in his rise to power in Germany in 1933. A bank transfer slip dated March 2, 1933 from A.E.G. to Delbruck Schickler & Co. in Berlin requests that 60,000 Reichsmark be deposited in the "Nationale Treuhand" (National Trusteeship) account for Hitler's use. This slip is reproduced on page 56.
I.G. Farben was the most important of the domestic financial backers of Hitler, and (as noted elsewhere) I.G. Farben controlled American I.G. Moreover, several directors of A.E.G. were also on the board of I.G. Farben — i.e., Hermann Bucher, chairman of A.E.G. was on the I.G. Farben board; so were A.E.G. directors Julius Flechtheim and Walter von Rath. I.G. Farben contributed 30 percent of the 1933 Hitler National Trusteeship (or takeover) fund.
Walter Fahrenhorst of A.E.G. was also on the board of Phoenix A-G, Thyssen A-G and Demag A-G — and all were contributors to Hitler's fund. Demag A-G contributed 50,000 RM to Hitler's fund and had a director with A.E.G.— the notorious Friedrich Flick, and early Hitler supporter, who was later convicted at the Nuremberg Trials. Accumulatoren Fabrik A-G was a Hitler contributor (25,000 RM, see page 60) with two directors on the A.E.G. board, August Pfeffer and Gunther Quandt. Quandt personally owned 75 percent of Accumulatoren Fabrik.
Osram Gesellschaft, in which International General Electric had a 16 2/3rds direct interest, also had two directors on the A.E.G. board: Paul Mamroth and Heinrich Pferls. Osram contributed 40,000 RM directly to the Hitler fund. The Otto Wolff concern, Vereinigte Stahlwerke A-G, recipient of substantial New York loans in the 1920s, had three directors on the A.E.G. board: Otto Wolff, Henry Nathan and Jakob Goldschmidt. Alfred Krupp yon Bohlen, sole owner of the Krupp organization and an early supporter of Hitler, was a member of the Aufsichsrat of A.E.G. Robert Pferdmenges, a member of Himmler's Circle of Friends, was also a director of A, E.G.
In other words, almost all of the German directors of German General Electric were financial supporters of Hitler and associated not only with A.E.G. but with other companies financing Hitler.


1:18:40-1:19:00 , other than the program where is the proof that the USSR mocked the famine or the holocaust? The USSR was selling cude oil, it was the US that allowed Germany to make aviation fuel out of it yet they are never mentioned as being a part of the 'problem', that is why the piece is just a hit piece because it ignored the whole issue and tries to force events as being only by the USSR and Nazi Germany.

Not surprising that some here latch onto that lie, not so odd that they are the same ones that call Russia in Crimea an invasion. You guys are either deaf, dumb and blind or you are flat out trolls who love to support known lies making you somewhat lower than Hitler on the social ladder.

How much did the USSR owe GE by the time 1930 rolled around? Answer, lots.
http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=WorldOrder&C=2.0

Before, During and After World War II

Both Chase and Equitable Trust led in granting credits to the Soviet Union during the 1920s. In 1934, Roosevelt established the Export Import Bank to finance increased trade with the Soviet Union. During World War II, Chase was AMTORG'S principal bank in handling the many billions of dollars of Lend Lease transactions for Russia.
Roosevelt went all out in supporting the Soviets, perhaps because all three of his personal assistants, Alger Hiss, Lauchlin Currie and Harry Dexter White, were identified as Soviet agents. Hiss' mentor was Dean Acheson, formerly of J.P. Morgan Co.. Asst Secretary of State A.A. Berle Jr. testified before the House Un-American Activities Committee Aug. 30, 1948 that "Acheson was the head of the pro-Russian group in the State Department." Acheson later became senior partner of Covington and Burling, obtaining the position for the firm as Washington legal representative for nine Communist governments.
On April 29, 1943, the Board of Economic Warfare granted a special license to Chematar Corp. of New York to fill an order from the Soviet Purchasing Commission for 200 lb. uranium oxide, 220 lb. uranium nitrate, and 25 lb. of uranium metal, commodities virtually unknown at that time, thus launching the Soviet atomic program. Today every American citizen lives under the threat of Soviet nuclear war.
On Jan. 29, 1944, Special Ambassador W. Averell Harriman in Moscow informed the State Dept. that "we" must turn over to the Russians the currency printing plates which had been engraved for the U.S. Treasury by Forbes Co. of Boston. The State Dept. delayed action on this request for several weeks. On March 22, Harry Dexter White met with Gromyko at the Soviet Embassy and assured him the plates would be delivered. Both Harriman and White made daily demands until the plates were turned over to the Soviet Union April 14, 1944. The Soviet Union then printed $300 million in currency which was redeemed by the American taxpayers.
After the "Cold War" began, the financiers continued their efforts to aid the Soviets. In 1967, the New York Times announced that a new consortium had been formed to promote trade with Russia, composed of Cyrus Eaton's Tower Corp., Rockefeller's International Basic Economy Corp., and N.M. Rothschild & Sons of London. Eaton had begun his career as a $2 a day factotum for John D. Rockefeller, who later financed his purchase of Canadian Gas & Electric Corp. Eaton stated that Rockefeller soon interested him in Russian affairs. In an interview with Mike Wallace, Eaton claimed that under Communism, the people of the Soviet Union were entirely contented. "They were happy. I was amazed at their happiness and dedication to the system." Eaton was one of the first defenders of the Stalin-Hitler Pact in 1939.
The Rothschilds have rarely been identified with Communist causes, preferring to remain in the background. Only one member, N.M. Victor Rothschild, who served an apprenticeship with J.P. Morgan Co., had become involved with the Apostles Club at Cambridge, described by Michael Straight as composed mostly of Communists who were also homosexual. Its well known members were Guy Burgess and Donald MacLean; Anthony Blunt, Keeper of the Queen's Pictures; and the double, or triple agent Kim Philby. During World War II, Victor Rothschild, who was with MI5, lent his London flat at No. 5 Bentinck St. to Burgess, while his mother, Mrs. Charles Rothschild, hired Burgess as her investment counselor. Blunt left the staff of the Warburg Institute to work with MI5; he introduced Victor Rothschild to his aunt, Teresa Mayor, who later became Lady Rothschild. Blunt has been recently described as having had an "affectionate" relationship with the Queen.
The Rockefeller family is sometimes called the first family of the Soviet Union. When Nelson Rockefeller was nominated for vice president in 1967, Pravda indignantly denounced his critics, saying that charges against Rockefeller were designed only to discredit him, and that the accusations came from ultra right wing organizations. Senator Frank Church, attending the 1971 Dartmouth Conference at Kiev, was amazed to find that " David Rockefeller was treated like we would treat royalty in this country. The Russian people appear to evince an adoration of Rockefeller that is puzzling." When David Rockefeller's plane lands in Russia, crowds line up to greet him at the airport, and line the streets of Moscow as his limousine passes, hailing him with cries of "RAHK FAWLER!". George Gilder remarked that no one knows how to revere, blandish and exalt a Rockefeller half as well as the Marxists.
After World War II, Dean Acheson frantically lobbied for an additional $300 million loan to the Soviet Union. Ed Burling, who was Frederic A. Delano's brother-in-law, had founded the firm of Covington and Burling of which Acheson was partner, with Donald Hiss, brother of Alger.
When Acheson's lobbying failed to develop the Russian aid, the Council on Foreign Relations drafted the Marshall Plan as an alternative measure. Their publication, "Foreign Affairs", then published the "containment plan" as written by "X" (George Kennan). The policy of containment, which has been the official foreign policy of the U.S. toward the Soviet Union since 1947, guarantees not only Soviet Russia's borders, but her continued enslavement of the "Captive nations" which she holds by military force.
Henry Luce, who always provided a forum for the international propagandists, reprinted the entire text of the July, 1947 Foreign Affairs article in Life magazine, July 28, 1947. Its key sentence was "The main element of any U.S. policy towards the Soviet Union must be the long-term, patient but firm and vigilant containment of Russian expansive tendencies". Luce's Time magazine dubbed Kennan "America's senior policy-maker". He later became a fellow of the Institute of Advanced Study of Princeton.
Kennan was the nephew and namesake of the George Kennan who operated as a Marxist agent for Jacob Schiff in Russia for many years before the Bolshevik Revolution, and was finally expelled by the Czarist Government. Kennan's pen-name "X" was a favorite identification of Socialist operatives. In 1902, the Socialist 'X' Club had been founded in New York by John Dewey, whose Socialist program has dominated American education during the twentieth century. The other founders of the "X" Club were James T. Shotwell, founder of the League of Nations, United Nations etc.; Morris Hillquit, Communist candidate for Mayor of New York, Charles Edward Russell, and Rufus Weeks, vice president and managing director of New York Life, which was controlled by J.P. Morgan.

The holodomor was just propaganda?
The way it is currently promoted that it was a Russian exercise when American bankers were the financiers which means it was a Rothschild program. I don't expect your brain to be able to grasp that concept, it would interfere with you blind hatred.
 

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40:00 Soviet help for the Nazi empire but not a peep about how the Western banks were financing them to the hilt


The documentary isn't about Western banks: it's about the Soviet Union.

A partial list of other films and books that are obviously U.S. government/Jooz propaganda because they do not mention Western banks' relationship with the Nazis:

The Harry Potter series
50 Shades of Grey
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
12 Years a Slave
Tropic of Cancer
Frozen
Where the Wild Things Are
My Little Pony: Equestria Girls
The Good Earth
Stranger in a Strange Land
Fantasia
Catcher in the Rye

 

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If the vid is about that specific era then why are the finances exempted from the vid, all it does is hide why the USSR was forced to sell grain to the west. That doesn't fit in well with the vid does it, that is why it was left out and that makes it nothing but propaganda.
Notice who had just cut power to Crimea as a form of collective punishment, it was the Government that is controlled by the west so you can bet that is where the directive came from.
Are your eyes wide shut?
 

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If the vid is about that specific era then why are the finances exempted from the vid, all it does is hide why the USSR was forced to sell grain to the west. That doesn't fit in well with the vid does it, that is why it was left out and that makes it nothing but propaganda.
Notice who had just cut power to Crimea as a form of collective punishment, it was the Government that is controlled by the west so you can bet that is where the directive came from.
Are your eyes wide shut?
The vid is not about that specific era, it is about that specific country in that specific era.

I note that you do not object to the fact that the film also doesn't say anything about what the Japanese and the Chinese were up to at the time. Is that because there aren't many Jooz or Americans there?

Y'know, megahurts, your hatreds are pretty transparent. This pretence of equality is fooling nobody.
 

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The Soviets were FORCED into genocide by banks?

F_CK OFF with your ridiculous stupidity once and for all.
Outside the Soviet Union, governments of the West adopted a passive attitude toward the famine, although most of them had become aware of the true suffering in the Ukraine through confidential diplomatic channels. In November 1933, the United States, under its new president, Franklin D. Roosevelt, even chose to formally recognized Stalin's Communist government and also negotiated a sweeping new trade agreement. The following year, the pattern of denial in the West culminated with the admission of the Soviet Union into the League of Nations.
Stalin's Five Year Plan for the modernization of the Soviet Union depended largely on the purchase of massive amounts of manufactured goods and technology from Western nations. Those nations were unwilling to disrupt lucrative trade agreements with the Soviet Union in order to pursue the matter of the famine.
By the end of 1933, nearly 25 percent of the population of the Ukraine, including three million children, had perished. The Kulaks as a class were destroyed and an entire nation of village farmers had been laid low. With his immediate objectives now achieved, Stalin allowed food distribution to resume inside the Ukraine and the famine subsided. However, political persecutions and further round-ups of 'enemies' continued unchecked in the years following the famine, interrupted only in June 1941 when Nazi troops stormed into the country. Hitler's troops, like all previous invaders, arrived in the Ukraine to rob the breadbasket of Europe and simply replaced one reign of terror with another.

The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century: Stalin's Forced Famine 1932-33


It isn't like the West doesn't cause wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians today when it suits their cause.
 

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The vid is not about that specific era, it is about that specific country in that specific era.

I note that you do not object to the fact that the film also doesn't say anything about what the Japanese and the Chinese were up to at the time. Is that because there aren't many Jooz or Americans there?

Y'know, megahurts, your hatreds are pretty transparent. This pretence of equality is fooling nobody.


So it' seems to be your contention that the events specific to that era and country were not specific to any internationally available financial backing of that same era. I think your hatreds are misinformed and your pretense and spelling is only fooling you.


Since reading MHz's well constructed destruction I don't think I will watch the Propdoc.
 

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So it' seems to be your contention that the events specific to that era and country were not specific to any internationally available financial backing of that same era. I think your hatreds are misinformed and your pretense and spelling is only fooling you.
Of course it seems like that to you. You're obsessive.

Since reading MHz's well constructed destruction I don't think I will watch the Propdoc.
Sounds like students of engineered historical propaganda films will be interested though.

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of them had become aware of the true suffering in the Ukraine through confidential diplomatic channels. In November 1933, the United States, under its new president, Franklin D. Roosevelt, even chose to formally recognized Stalin's Communist government and also negotiated a sweeping new trade agreement. The following year, the pattern of denial in the West culminated with the admission of the Soviet Union into the League of Nations.
Stalin's Five Year Plan for the modernization of the Soviet Union depended largely on the purchase of massive amounts of manufactured goods and technology from Western nations. Those nations were unwilling to disrupt lucrative trade agreements with the Soviet Union in order to pursue the matter of the famine.
By the end of 1933, nearly 25 percent of the population of the Ukraine, including three million children, had perished. The Kulaks as a class were destroyed and an entire nation of village farmers had been laid low. With his immediate objectives now achieved, Stalin allowed food distribution to resume inside the Ukraine and the famine subsided. However, political persecutions and further round-ups of 'enemies' continued unchecked in the years following the famine, interrupted only in June 1941 when Nazi troops stormed into the country. Hitler's troops, like all previous invaders, arrived in the Ukraine to rob the breadbasket of Europe and simply replaced one reign of terror with another.

The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century: Stalin's Forced Famine 1932-33

It isn't like the West doesn't cause wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians today when it suits their cause.

Did the western bankers make Stalin do this too long before the wholesale starvation of Ukrainians? From the same article you linked to


But when Lenin died in 1924, he was succeeded by Joseph Stalin, one of the most ruthless humans ever to hold power. To Stalin, the burgeoning national revival movement and continuing loss of Soviet influence in the Ukraine was completely unacceptable. To crush the people's free spirit, he began to employ the same methods he had successfully used within the Soviet Union. Thus, beginning in 1929, over 5,000 Ukrainian scholars, scientists, cultural and religious leaders were arrested after being falsely accused of plotting an armed revolt. Those arrested were either shot without a trial or deported to prison camps in remote areas of Russia.
 

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40:00 Soviet help for the Nazi empire but not a peep about how the Western banks were financing them to the hilt
For the 7th or 8th time, because the film isn't about the USSR & Germany & the west. The film's about the relationship between the USSR and Germany as well as Soviet treatment of the block countries.
The Soviets, the Axis, and the USA is a different thread. Hey, there's an idea, if you wanna rant and rave at the Rothchild's make your own thread for it.
 
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Of course it's me with the problem, dear. Transference is a common symptom with an affliction like yours. You are the one obsessed dear. I hope you have a good drug plan.
You're thinking of projection, not transference.

I've got a great drug plan. It's called "lots of money."
 

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Oil, ore, and grain all purchased by Germany rather than just sent as in gifted or part of the Nazi buildup. When you leave the money part out it is propaganda. When you look at who actually financed Hitler then US banks are the ones who made those purchases possible and some of the provided material in the posts show clearly that Hitler was financed by the West and by the Rothschild bankers............
All that crap's for a different thread.

If the vid is about that specific era then why are the finances exempted from the vid, all it does is hide why the USSR was forced to sell grain to the west. That doesn't fit in well with the vid does it, that is why it was left out and that makes it nothing but propaganda.
Because, the financial end of it isn't the focus of the vid, it's the cruelty and the genocidal aspects that are the focus.
Notice who had just cut power to Crimea as a form of collective punishment, it was the Government that is controlled by the west so you can bet that is where the directive came from.
Irrelevant to the thread.
Are your eyes wide shut?
Nope, and they can see what the focal point is supposed to be, unlike yours.

Outside the Soviet Union, governments of the West adopted a passive attitude toward the famine, although most of them had become aware of the true suffering in the Ukraine through confidential diplomatic channels. In November 1933, the United States, under its new president, Franklin D. Roosevelt, even chose to formally recognized Stalin's Communist government and also negotiated a sweeping new trade agreement. The following year, the pattern of denial in the West culminated with the admission of the Soviet Union into the League of Nations.
The film mentioned that in a cursory manner but that aspect isn't the focus of the film, which is why it was only a cursory mention.
 

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Did the western bankers make Stalin do this too long before the wholesale starvation of Ukrainians? From the same article you linked to


But when Lenin died in 1924, he was succeeded by Joseph Stalin, one of the most ruthless humans ever to hold power. To Stalin, the burgeoning national revival movement and continuing loss of Soviet influence in the Ukraine was completely unacceptable. To crush the people's free spirit, he began to employ the same methods he had successfully used within the Soviet Union. Thus, beginning in 1929, over 5,000 Ukrainian scholars, scientists, cultural and religious leaders were arrested after being falsely accused of plotting an armed revolt. Those arrested were either shot without a trial or deported to prison camps in remote areas of Russia.
No, that wasn't western bankers. That was Midas Mufflers.
Hey, if you can't knock any sense into him, you might as well join the moonbat.
 

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For the 7th or 8th time, because the film isn't about the USSR & Germany & the west. The film's about the relationship between the USSR and Germany as well as Soviet treatment of the block countries.
The Soviets, the Axis, and the USA is a different thread. Hey, there's an idea, if you wanna rant and rave at the Rothchild's make your own thread for it.

What makes you admit to thinking any subject can be dealt with from within a boxed format. There are only a few subjects really. It's unlikely this one isn't about money and power.
 

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The evidence of Stalin causing the mass starvation, genocide of millions is not in doubt.
 

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The evidence of Stalin causing the mass starvation, genocide of millions is not in doubt.


Sure it is, cause according to megawartz, it's pretty much everyone in the west and the banks fault that it happened in the first place...poor lil Stalin had no choice.