Imprison the Royal Family and Abolish the Monarchy

[The Old Medic]

"Sons of Liberty" is something that comes from the United States of America. As a result, it has no right to even speak on the issue of whether or not the British, and the Commonwealth nations, choose to continue with a Monarch or not.

The premise that the Royals should be arrested, and tried for "Crimes against humanity" is simply the ravings of someone that is totally out of their mind.

If Great Britain ever decides to eliminate their Monarchy, that is a decision to be made by them, and by them alone. Even if Great Britain WERE to abolish the Monarchy, each of the Commonwealth countries would be free to keep it, if they chose to.

 

[Colpy]

I just use those things which are often used sparingly by certain people nowadays - common sense and common knowledge.

CRIME RATE PER COUNTRY (2014)

CRIME INDEX

United States: 50.15
United Kingdom: 42.62


SAFETY INDEX

UNITED STATES: 49.85
UNITED KINGDOM: 57.38


Crime Index by Country 2014

And don't even get me started on the murder rate, which is far higher in the US than it is in England & Wales (although murder rates in most coumtries are far higher than they are in England & Wales).



You do care.

Good point though, wasn't it?


To say that all republics are bastions of democracy and freedom (Russia, China and North Korea are republics), which commit no brutal acts on their peoples and aren't archaic (Ancient Rome was a republic at some point), means you are just uttering the words of an incoherent madman.

America will be ****ed if its president ever became a dictator. That's what happens when you stupidly make the Head of State and the Head of Government be the same person.

Our monarch is a great bulwark against dictatorship.

You're STILL pissed because the Yanks kicked your ***......and then saved your bacon TWICE in the last 100 years???

 

[Blackleaf]

You're STILL pissed because the Yanks kicked your ***......and then saved your bacon TWICE in the last 100 years???

Why would I be pissed (that means drunk here) at kicking the Yanks' butt in the War of Independence and then saving Europe in two World Wars whilst the Yanks mostly sat bat, twiddled their thumbs and collaborated with the Germans? I'm PROUD of that.

And WWI - wasn't that the war in which the Yanks turned up just months before it ended, by which time millions of troops from other countries had perished, and then had to borrow kit from the British because they were lacking in it?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I'm pretty much with Schwarzblatt on this one. There's value in a (mostly) figurehead monarchy. Provides a living symbol that's above the politics of the moment, a unifying presence.

And there's also the fact that if Britain ever produces a popular, dictatorial leader bent on overturning the rights and freedoms of the British people and waging aggressive wars, the monarch can stop him. Dissolve Parliament, order the army to stay in barracks, &c. I'm not naive, I realise the monarch might go along with the dictator, and I realise that the monarch doesn't have the magical power to control Parliament and the army. But with good timing and the weight of the Crown, the monarch could throw a spanner ("wrench" to North Americans) into the tyrant's works. The monarch has all the ancient tools of tradition, and is bred from birth to consider the welfare of Britain in a non-political way. Ain't perfect, nothing is, but that's a pretty good bulwark against tyranny.

And the British government reports the cost of maintaining the monarchy every year. Usually comes to 65-70 pence per head in Britain. If that's the worst "waste" of taxpayer money they can find, they have an unbelievably (I use that word in its literal sense) efficient and honest government.

 

[Blackleaf]

I'm pretty much with Schwarzblatt on this one.

Blackleaf and Tecumsehbones agreeing on something. Wonders never cease.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Blackleaf and Tecumsehbones agreeing on something. Wonders never cease.

Weird, huh? Must be an alignment of the stars or something.

Or maybe I just decided to take your crazy jingoism in stride and deal with the issues you present. The entertainment value of reflexively slagging each other has worn pretty thin.

Probably ain't gonna stop calling you Schwarzblatt, though.

 

[El Barto]

***The monarch has all the ancient tools of tradition, and is bred from birth to consider the welfare of Britain in a non-political way****


Brings up a question, how can anything or anyone living in wealth and luxury have or understand the true welfare of the British citizens?

 

[Colpy]

Why would I be pissed (that means drunk here) at kicking the Yanks' butt in the War of Independence and then saving Europe in two World Wars whilst the Yanks mostly sat bat, twiddled their thumbs and collaborated with the Germans? I'm PROUD of that.

And WWI - wasn't that the war in which the Yanks turned up just months before it ended, by which time millions of troops from other countries had perished, and then had to borrow kit from the British because they were lacking in it?

Ahh...the USA is still a colony?? I was unaware... lol

Actually, in World War One you are quite correct, the Yanks showed up VERY late, when both sides were absolutely exhausted from 3 years of mutual slaughter..........the Yanks turned the tide.

Really?? Collaborated with the Germans?? Uh-huh.....in World War Two the Yanks were busily arming Great Britain, under lend-lease, and shipping you donated small arms when you had none......and hunting German subs in the shipping lanes before they had even gone to war.

Read a little history.

Must be that vaunted British school system!!

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

***The monarch has all the ancient tools of tradition, and is bred from birth to consider the welfare of Britain in a non-political way****


Brings up a question, how can anything or anyone living in wealth and luxury have or understand the true welfare of the British citizens?

Empathy? Acceptance?

The notion that only someone who has an experience can understand that experience is pernicious tripe.

 

[El Barto]

Empathy? Acceptance?

The notion that only someone who has an experience can understand that experience is pernicious tripe.

Maybe it is just simple cynicism?
Maybe just observation that most can not truly understand because it never involved them.
Sort of brings up to mind that famous quote .... Let them eat cake.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Maybe it is just simple cynicism?
Maybe just observation that most can not truly understand because it never involved them.
Sort of brings up to mind that famous quote .... Let them eat cake.

OK, so you haven't had my experiences, and I haven't had yours. Ergo, we cannot possibly understand each other. So why bother to talk?

 

[El Barto]

OK, so you haven't had my experiences, and I haven't had yours. Ergo, we cannot possibly understand each other. So why bother to talk?

My statement wasn't absolute this or that. Nothing is black or white, but a general Idea.

 

[L Gilbert]

Nevermind, EB. Blacklung has this fantasmagorical image of the UK in his noggin. I think we've all had that sort of fantasy when we were kids. And our dads were superhuman, too.
Anyway, like I said, it's foolish to switch gov'ts. Waste of taxpayers' money both ways but it'd cost too much to switch. Although if we ended up with something like what the Swiss have where the gov't can't blow its nose without the people's sayso, then it'd be worth it. Come to think of it, I wonder how much it cost the Swiss to switch back there in 1850 (or whatever).

 

[El Barto]

Nevermind, EB. Blacklung has this fantasmagorical image of the UK in his noggin. I think we've all had that sort of fantasy when we were kids. And our dads were superhuman, too.
Anyway, like I said, it's foolish to switch gov'ts. Waste of taxpayers' money both ways but it'd cost too much to switch. Although if we ended up with something like what the Swiss have where the gov't can't blow its nose without the people's sayso, then it'd be worth it. Come to think of it, I wonder how much it cost the Swiss to switch back there in 1850 (or whatever).

That was never aimed at BL... just a philosophical question that popped up in my mind when I read T Bones post.


Mind you any change the government makes the more we pay for it .... remember when we switched to metric ... price of gas per gallon wasn't the same for some reason hmmm

 

[L Gilbert]

That was never aimed at BL... just a philosophical question that popped up in my mind when I read T Bones post.


Mind you any change the government makes the more we pay for it .... remember when we switched to metric ... price of gas per gallon wasn't the same for some reason hmmm

Yeah, seems like the gov't can't blow its nose without it costing us hundreds of thousands.

 

[EagleSmack]

Why would I be pissed (that means drunk here) at kicking the Yanks' butt in the War of Independence

LMAO

Bow those heads ye' redcoats!

and then saving Europe in two World Wars whilst the Yanks mostly sat bat, twiddled their thumbs and collaborated with the Germans? I'm PROUD of that.

Just about every nation had to bail out the Brits from WWII.

AND we took care of the War in the Pacific for you as well.

And WWI - wasn't that the war in which the Yanks turned up just months before it ended, by which time millions of troops from other countries had perished, and then had to borrow kit from the British because they were lacking in it?

Yet another one we bailed your azzes out of. The Brits bled themselves and the Commonwealth white with their outdated tactics.

 

[L Gilbert]

lol And yet again, Blacklung rewrites history for our entertainment.

 

[El Barto]

lol And yet again, Blacklung rewrites history for our entertainment.

Us North Americans never really got British humor

 

[Cannuck]

Yeah, seems like the gov't can't blow its nose without it costing us hundreds of thousands.

The City of Medicine just announced that they are replacing the phones at city hall. The expected price tag is 2 million. I didn't realize a city of 60k had that many phones.

AND we took care of the War in the Pacific for you as well.

The Brits were just laying low, trying to lull the Japanese to sleep. They would have dispatched with them by June of 42 had you Yanks not stuck your nose in.

 

[Blackleaf]

the Yanks turned the tide.

The Yanks did nothing whatsoever in WWI. They sent just 1 million poorly equipped (the Yanks were given French artillery guns (the 75 and 155mm) while the British provided them with mortars, machine guns, steel helmets and some uniforms) and poorly trained troops into the war - a very small amount compared to what Britain sent - and those troops saw very little action.

In fact, the British were rather unimpressed with the Americans. The lack of speed with which the American Expeditionary Force (AEF) was sent to Europe was later criticised by British Prime Minister David Lloyd George. The 1st Division AEF landed in France in June 1917. The 2nd Division did not arrive until September and by October 31st, 1917, the AEF only numbered 6,064 officers and 80,969 men. In roughly the same time span in 1914, the British Expeditionary Force (BEF) had got 354,750 men into the field. Nine months after America declared war, there were 175,000 American troops in Western Europe. In the same time span of nine months from 1914 to 1915, Britain (which, not including her Empire, had a smaller population than the USA) had put 659,104 men into the various theatres of war. Therefore, in 1917, despite her strength on paper, America played little part in the war activities of that year.

It was the British - the world superpower - who were the big-hitters in WWI. Britain won it.

Really?? Collaborated with the Germans?? Uh-huh.....in World War Two the Yanks were busily arming Great Britain, under lend-lease, and shipping you donated small arms when you had none......and hunting German subs in the shipping lanes before they had even gone to war.

And whilst Goring was bombing British cities, when Britain fought ALONE against the Nazis, Yank companies, such as Ford, were making cosy little business deals with Germany.