Death knell for AGW

[Tonington]

All you're doing is proving more and more that you don't understand the principles at play here.

If I had selected 3 x 10^9 instead of 3 x 10^3 points, there still wouldn't be a hcokey stick. Because a hockey stick shape has a tiny chance of realizing ina random number generator.

How is this still being discussed? McIntyre and McKitrick sampled randomly from data that had a trend...of course you're going to get a hockey stick when the data has a hockey stick shape. How is that shocking? You put trended data into a noise model, you will still get a trend. If you take any time series that has a significant trend, and randomly sample from it, you're going to get roughly the same thing. It will then be just trend plus noise, but it's still trend, and when you take the long-term average of the time series, you get essentially the same thing.

If you want to call something random noise, then you can't start with significantly trended data. That is so uncontroversial, I can't believe that this is still being discussed.

 

[captain morgan]

If there were any basis in fact (or reality) relative to the legitimacy of Mann's research and conclusions, he would have done so in a heart beat.

He didn't back when he was ordered by the Courts and now he's getting his a$$ handed to him because of it.

The irony here being that his only hope in not having his career smashed to bits and being sued into hopeless bankruptcy is to release the very info that would have won his case to begin with.

 

[darkbeaver]

Niagara Falls comes to frozen halt AGAIN as subfreezing temperatures freeze water | Mail Online


Thanks Ninestein. What the fok else would freeze water?

The Mail Online must have a staff Climate Scientist.

 

[Tonington]

The irony here being that his only hope in not having his career smashed to bits and being sued into hopeless bankruptcy is to release the very info that would have won his case to begin with.

His only hope? The judge in Mann's defamation suit refused to have it thrown out, and it's going to trial now. You can't call someone a fraud without evidence, and all inquiries involving Mann have found no evidence of fraud. And comparing someone to a convicted child molester, that is going to be difficult for Steyn to prove true.

 

[captain morgan]

His only hope? The judge in Mann's defamation suit refused to have it thrown out, and it's going to trial now. You can't call someone a fraud without evidence, and all inquiries involving Mann have found no evidence of fraud. And comparing someone to a convicted child molester, that is going to be difficult for Steyn to prove true.

Steyn isn't the only one hauling Mann into Court.

Mann is toast

 

[Locutus]

The Arctic Ocean is warming up

http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf

 

[darkbeaver]

Electric Universe enthusiasts are sure to appreciate Dr. Latour’s engineering approach to problem solving, and a prime example is his strictly rigorous approach to Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW.) Pierre’s presentation at EU 2014 is entitled “Engineering Earth’s Thermostat with CO2?” Already, we know that it’s an engineer talking here! The paper sets out to explain Earth’s temperature as a chemical process system; review the control system engineering of Earth’s thermostat; and show that anthropogenic temperature control by CO2 will never work because it is an immeasurable, unobservable and uncontrollable system.
Visualising the alleged atmospheric greenhouse effect thermodynamically, with carbon dioxide as a thermostat, is a brilliantly clear approach to the problem, and I can just imagine the audience leaning forward in its seat in anticipation.http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/12/06/eu2014-in-the-news/

 

[Tonington]

Steyn isn't the only one hauling Mann into Court.

Mann is toast

Steyn is counter-suing. He's being hauled to court by Mann. Who is seeking legal action besides Steyn?

 

[Zipperfish]

Electric Universe enthusiasts are sure to appreciate Dr. Latour’s engineering approach to problem solving, and a prime example is his strictly rigorous approach to Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW.) Pierre’s presentation at EU 2014 is entitled “Engineering Earth’s Thermostat with CO2?” Already, we know that it’s an engineer talking here! The paper sets out to explain Earth’s temperature as a chemical process system; review the control system engineering of Earth’s thermostat; and show that anthropogenic temperature control by CO2 will never work because it is an immeasurable, unobservable and uncontrollable system.
Visualising the alleged atmospheric greenhouse effect thermodynamically, with carbon dioxide as a thermostat, is a brilliantly clear approach to the problem, and I can just imagine the audience leaning forward in its seat in anticipation.http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2013/12/06/eu2014-in-the-news/

If there is no greenhouse effect, why doesn't the earth cool down to the same temperature as the moon at night?

 

[petros]

If there is no greenhouse effect, why doesn't the earth cool down to the same temperature as the moon at night?

Oceans.

 

[darkbeaver]

If there is no greenhouse effect, why doesn't the earth cool down to the same temperature as the moon at night?

The moon is dead. All the current in this region all intersects earth. The N pole aurora dumps billions of amps into the planet everyday 24/7. The bigger mass of the earth eats most of that very little is left for the moon. Planetary masses in the solar system is variable instantaneously, as the gravity effect demonstrates, otherwise the solar system would fall apart. Mass on earth is adjusted through it's poles. Mass charge and temperature are convertible. There is absolutely nothing humans can do to alter that.

 

[Zipperfish]

Oceans.

Tha would explain why the oceans wouldn't freeze. But we don't live in the ocean and we don't freeze.

 

[petros]

Tha would explain why the oceans wouldn't freeze. But we don't live in the ocean and we don't freeze.

Why would they freeze overnight?

 

[darkbeaver]

The big water heat sink and battery, mostly battery.

 

[Zipperfish]

The moon is dead. All the current in this region all intersects earth. The N pole aurora dumps billions of amps into the planet everyday 24/7. The bigger mass of the earth eats most of that very little is left for the moon. Planetary masses in the solar system is variable instantaneously, as the gravity effect demonstrates, otherwise the solar system would fall apart. Mass on earth is adjusted through it's poles. Mass charge and temperature are convertible. There is absolutely nothing humans can do to alter that.

The termpature of the plaent Mercury is around 80 K at night and it has a magentic field. If the temperature at night on Earth is due to the intersection of the solar wind with the Earth's magnetic field, wouldn't it be a similar situation on Mercury?

Why would they freeze overnight?

Because they are not in the ocean.

The big water heat sink and battery, mostly battery.

Why would water be a heat sink and not the atmosphere. From a physics persepctive, they are both fluids.

 

[petros]

Because they are not in the ocean.



Why would water be a heat sink and not the atmosphere. From a physics persepctive, they are both fluids.

The oceans aren't in the oceans?

Is ice a rock or a mineral or just ice?

 

[Zipperfish]

The oceans aren't in the oceans?

Is ice a rock or a mineral or just ice?

OK now you're just doing the petros dance. Nevermind.

 

[petros]

Were you trying to make some sort a point?

 

[taxslave]

If there is no greenhouse effect, why doesn't the earth cool down to the same temperature as the moon at night?

Cause no one ever told it to.

 

[darkbeaver]

Water is denser than air. Mercury has a weak mag field. There is no wind in space.

The oceans aren't in the oceans?

Is ice a rock or a mineral or just ice?

Water rules

“If Canada proceeds [with its oil development]… Sea levels would rise and destroy coastal cities. Global temperatures would become intolerable. Twenty to 50 percent of the planet’s species would be driven to extinction.” -Jams Hansen, NASA, 2012