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Dexter Sinister

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The only solace I have is, they will be surprised when the time comes.
The time? You mean when we die, or when the Second Advent occurs,or what? Whatever, given what Christian dogma says will happen to unbelievers in the long run,I find it more than a little creepy, not to mention unchristian, that you'd find solace in it.
 

JLM

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The time? You mean when we die, or when the Second Advent occurs,or what? Whatever, given what Christian dogma says will happen to unbelievers in the long run,I find it more than a little creepy, not to mention unchristian, that you'd find solace in it.

Typical ploy of Bible thumpers!
 

cj44

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Gilbert, You said,
"As I keep pointing out; it's apparent that the substances necessary for creating life landed here on meteorites and began assembling life. I believe those bits of proteins and acids began the same as water, bits of stars, sand, etc. began in the universe. There's nothing that says the universe had to begin, however, just our version of it."

Do you think a Creator made the bits of stars, proteins, acids, etc. and then evolution followed? Or do you think these pieces of matter were just in existence without them having been "created" by a Creator.
 

darkbeaver

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Gilbert, You said,
"As I keep pointing out; it's apparent that the substances necessary for creating life landed here on meteorites and began assembling life. I believe those bits of proteins and acids began the same as water, bits of stars, sand, etc. began in the universe. There's nothing that says the universe had to begin, however, just our version of it."

Do you think a Creator made the bits of stars, proteins, acids, etc. and then evolution followed? Or do you think these pieces of matter were just in existence without them having been "created" by a Creator.

Well I think you've got him stumped there brother. Ask him where in space did the substances board the meteors. That circle should keep him going around for a bit, maybe occupy the rest of his morning.


 

darkbeaver

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THE EMERALD TABLET OF
HERMES TRIMEGISTUS
True, without falsehood, certain and most true, that which is above is as that which
is below, and that which is below is as that which is above, for the performance of
the miracles of the One Thing. And as all things are from One, by the mediation of
One, so all things have their birth from this One Thing by adaptation. The Sun is its
father, the Moon its mother, and the Wind carries it in its belly, its nurse is the Earth.
This is the father of all perfection, or consummation of the whole world. Its power is
integrating, if it be turned into earth. Thou shalt separate the earth from the fire,
the subtle from the gross, suavely, and with great ingenuity. It ascends from earth
to heaven and descends again to earth, and receives the power of the superiors and
of the inferiors. So thou hast the glory of the whole world; therefore let all obscurity
flee before thee. This is the strong force of all forces, overcoming every subtle and
penetrating every solid thing. So the world was created. Hence were all wonderful
adaptations, of which this is the manner. Therefore am I called Hermes
Trismegistus, having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world. What I
have to tell is completed, concerning the Operation of the Sun
 

L Gilbert

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Gilbert, You said,
"As I keep pointing out; it's apparent that the substances necessary for creating life landed here on meteorites and began assembling life. I believe those bits of proteins and acids began the same as water, bits of stars, sand, etc. began in the universe. There's nothing that says the universe had to begin, however, just our version of it."

Do you think a Creator made the bits of stars, proteins, acids, etc. and then evolution followed?
No, 44, I don't.
Or do you think these pieces of matter were just in existence without them having been "created" by a Creator.
No, I don't.
What I think is that the universe changes form every once in a while and it creates whatever is in it. Perhaps at one time it was nothing but jello and then became the "nothingness" before the "Big Bang" (an unfortunate term because it was not an explosion in our usual terminology), and then may become one solid rock at some time in the future and so on. It's an hypothesis of mine. And no, I do not think this was all part of any kind of intelligence and I don't think the universe cares about life or anything and no, I don't think any part of the universe is chaotic nor was it ever. It is not beyond my imagination to think that something does not need to be created in order to exist and indeed, even some Christians can imagine it as well, because they can imagine their god existing without having needed to be created.

Well I think you've got him stumped there brother.
Wrong. I was not stumped, I was absent from the forums and didn't see his reply till a few minutes ago.
Ask him where in space did the substances board the meteors. That circle should keep him going around for a bit, maybe occupy the rest of his morning.
Sorry, dim rodent, wrong again. The bits of matter that were on the meteorites that landed on Earth were likely part of a larger cosmic body that was shattered in impact with something else. Or else they got on their bus at the depot that used to be 3.72946843 megaparsecs southwest of Cepheid (a star in the galaxy we call Andromeda).
 

darkbeaver

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Science hasn't proved nothingness yet it is just an hypothesis. The Big Bang is the premier New Age Religion and has spawned millions of coffee table books which for the most part lie there catching the eye of visitors until the theoretical refinements spur further purchases of new and improved BB Scripture telling us about the creator his Most Holy Nothingness.
 

L Gilbert

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Science hasn't proved nothingness yet it is just an hypothesis.
Right, and it's most certainly not "nothingness" in the sense most people think anyway.
The Big Bang is the premier New Age Religion and has spawned millions of coffee table books which for the most part lie there catching the eye of visitors until the theoretical refinements spur further purchases of new and improved BB Scripture telling us about the creator his Most Holy Nothingness.
Really? I thought the New Age thing these days was "Electric Suns", "Electric Universes", "Electric Cosmic Farts" and "Venusian Electric Toasters".
 

darkbeaver

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Right, and it's most certainly not "nothingness" in the sense most people think anyway. Really? I thought the New Age thing these days was "Electric Suns", "Electric Universes", "Electric Cosmic Farts" and "Venusian Electric Toasters".

You must have been born mistaken, the solar power ideas are very solid science from the remotest ages.
The Big Bang is the result of long haired lunatics, some of them still mostly intact in their graves.


You will kneel when you've been wired and properly grounded.
 

L Gilbert

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You must have been born mistaken, the solar power ideas are very solid science from the remotest ages.
The Big Bang is the result of long haired lunatics, some of them still mostly intact in their graves.
Nah. I just live in a different universe than you. Mine's real.

You will kneel when you've been wired and properly grounded.
I think I'll stay as I am sans the shock therapy.
 

cj44

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Cliffy, That's fantastic. You have closed the mouth of every scientist with just one cartoon. Astonishing.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Cliffy, That's fantastic. You have closed the mouth of every scientist with just one cartoon. Astonishing.
That's most unlikely to be the effect of that cartoon, more likely the first effect would be to provoke them into calling BS on it--that was certainly my first thought too--followed by a demand for the evidence. And the evidence is so lame even a New Age flake like Andrew Weil expresses doubts about it. Your clear implication here too is that you think it'd be a good idea to shut the scientists up, which doesn't say much for your understanding of reality or the benefits science brings to your life.
 

darkbeaver

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That's most unlikely to be the effect of that cartoon, more likely the first effect would be to provoke them into calling BS on it--that was certainly my first thought too--followed by a demand for the evidence. And the evidence is so lame even a New Age flake like Andrew Weil expresses doubts about it. Your clear implication here too is that you think it'd be a good idea to shut the scientists up, which doesn't say much for your understanding of reality or the benefits science brings to your life.

Without a lab examination I'm of course just guessing that you are electrically imbalanced with the planet and suffering the usual psychological symptoms we associate with the condition. Do you have cramps, dizzy spells, episodes of raving on the interweb and or do you have an unnatural aversion to cats? These are the questions you should be asking yourself and discussing with your veterinarian.