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That's fairly typical of how thoroughly believers misunderstand and misrepresent the atheist position. I've never blamed god for anything, I don't believe he exists, but a certain logic follows from the presumption that he does and has the characteristics usually ascribed to him. Some of you seem to get a little huffy--or worse--when some others of us point out some of the logical consequences of that presumption, among them being the conclusion that he cannot have the characteristics usually ascribed to him.

It,s the humanized characteristics that are choking your spirituality. Blow those off and perhaps the light will shine true.

Those human characteristics have nothing to do with God at all. They are symbolic
 

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And the Happy Hunting Grounds, Paradise, Moksha, etc.
Yup. How come the afterlife never includes great food and sex? They are two of humans greatest and most natural pleasures. I think I'll start a religion based on that. I think god loves sex and that is why it gave us the gift of sex. Waddaya think? For a mere 10% of your weekly wage, I can guaranty all the best sex and gourmet food you can handle after death.
 

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In BC, or do I get to choose the location?
For the religion or the after life? For the after life, BC for sure. I spent a year in Edmonton during a two week winter period about 25 years ago. And if you are talking about the location of the religion, think BIG. - world wide. The center would be out of my 24' travel trailer - Vatican mini.
 

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I'll vote for men on that, there is no word of god in my view, it's all the words of men.
The apostle Paul thought as much prior to his encounter with The Holy Spirit.

Thus saith the Lord: But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

You are unable to know the truth until you have been enlightened by the Holy Spirit. No one has the capacity or ability to know God on their own. Invented gods, yes, many meet with invented gods every day. Or believe in no God.

If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

Ask Him. At this moment God is seeking YOU out. He has set it to send his Word through these forums. He goes a long way to save people. Know that you are being actively sought by God. Ask Him. Go wild. Suspend your beliefs for a week or even just a day. Ask Him.

Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness. When he saw the crowds, he had compassion on them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd. Then he said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field.”

God will continue to send workers into the field. This is an ongoing active process. Many here on the forum have witnessed as such. The Holy Spirit wants you.
 

cj44

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If Dexter sees visions and hears voices, it's Gawd?

Just three gods? What about the heavenly hosts (armies)?
No. It's likely the ingestion of hallucinagenic elements. It is easy and potentially fun to make wisecracks, but what if what I & others have said is true. What if there is a Holy Spirit that KNOWS the truth. What if after being visited by the Holy Spirit you come to believe differently? If there is a chance what we witness to is true, would it not be prudent to ask the Holy Spirit?

Maybe something like this: "Holy Spirit, this nutcase on the forum keeps talking about you, if you are really real, if you exist can you please let me know?"
 

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Yup. How come the afterlife never includes great food and sex? They are two of humans greatest and most natural pleasures. I think I'll start a religion based on that. I think god loves sex and that is why it gave us the gift of sex. Waddaya think? For a mere 10% of your weekly wage, I can guaranty all the best sex and gourmet food you can handle after death.
As tempting as that sounds at the moment, I can see myself getting bored with even those eventually. An eternity of anything scares the hell outta me and people who wish for such a thing are either extremely short-sighted, deluded, ignorant of such things, or all of the above.
 

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As tempting as that sounds at the moment, I can see myself getting bored with even those eventually. An eternity of anything scares the hell outta me and people who wish for such a thing are either extremely short-sighted, deluded, ignorant of such things, or all of the above.
So, you are saying suicide bombers are deluded? Damn, there goes that plan.8O
 

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No. It's likely the ingestion of hallucinagenic elements. It is easy and potentially fun to make wisecracks, but what if what I & others have said is true. What if there is a Holy Spirit that KNOWS the truth. What if after being visited by the Holy Spirit you come to believe differently? If there is a chance what we witness to is true, would it not be prudent to ask the Holy Spirit?

Maybe something like this: "Holy Spirit, this nutcase on the forum keeps talking about you, if you are really real, if you exist can you please let me know?"
Ya know, my dad was a catholic. My mom became a born againer after the last of the kids left the house. My dad started going to service with her. On his death bed, he had both a priest and a minister give him the last rights. Bugger was hedging his bets. Funny, because he always warned me about the evils of gambling.

So it is said. Astounding things can happen when one is using a psychotropic substance including audible hallucinations.

I have a problem with books that are their own source of info and evidence.
Rightfully so, Les. Rightfully so.
 

cj44

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So it is said. Astounding things can happen when one is using a psychotropic substance including audible hallucinations.

I have a problem with books that are their own source of info and evidence.
Gilbert, I get that. Maybe set that aside and seek out the Holy Spirit for awhile.

Ya know, my dad was a catholic. My mom became a born againer after the last of the kids left the house. My dad started going to service with her. On his death bed, he had both a priest and a minister give him the last rights. Bugger was hedging his bets. Funny, because he always warned me about the evils of gambling.


Rightfully so, Les. Rightfully so.
CLiffy, sounds like your dad had faith.
 

Cliffy

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Gilbert, I get that. Maybe set that aside and seek out the Holy Spirit for awhile.


CLiffy, sounds like your dad had faith.
No. He was lonely going to church without the kids in tow, so he decided to hang out with my mom. Her faith was strong until the alsheimers took it away.
 

cj44

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No. He was lonely going to church without the kids in tow, so he decided to hang out with my mom. Her faith was strong until the alsheimers took it away.
Cliffy,
Sorry for your mom as well as your dad.

Just who is gawd? Jesus? The Holy Spirit? Yaweh? What about the lesser deities? Michael, the Seraphim, Asherah?
I could give you an answer, but The Holy Spirit will sink the answer into your heart and mind. Why listen to be blab when you can go to HIm? Ask Him, he is waiting to hear from you. Really ask him the very thing you asked me.