Computer pioneer and Nazi codebreaker Alan Turing is given posthumous royal pardon

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Blackleaf said:
When are Canadians going to apologise for the 1993 Somalia Affair; for working Chinese people to death to construct your railways; for the confinement of innocent Japanese Canadians during WWII; for the terrible conduct of Canadian soldiers during the Korean War, who had their sentences suspended or even commuted on their return to Canada; for the 1874 Indian Act, which imprisoned thousands of Native Indians and made them legal wards of the state; for the 1928 Sexual Sterilization Act in Alberta, allowing any inmate of a native residential school to be sterilized upon the approval of the school Principal; for the clubbing to death of baby seals?
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The vast majority of things you mention above have been addressed already. As for seals, you don't like the way they are harvested, then don't buy the products. There is a HUGE difference between animals and humans (something the brits seem to have a problem recognizing).

Now, back to the topic and the fact that you support the laws that led to this innocent mans death.
 
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gerryh said:
The vast majority of things you mention above have been addressed already.
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But I would like your government to apologise, on behalf of all Canadians, for the ills and atrocities that Canada has perpetrated.


As for seals, you don't like the way they are harvested, then don't buy the products. There is a HUGE difference between animals and humans (something the brits seem to have a problem recognizing).
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Yeah. That's the kind of response I expected. Hit a nerve there, I think.

Now, back to the topic and the fact that you support the laws that led to this innocent mans death.
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Why don't we address the fact that you support laws which lock innocent brothers and sisters up for having consexual sex with each other? When these laws are repealed in fifty years' time you'll look like an intolerant dinosaur.
 
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The Holocaust was not normal, nor accepted by many. It was the first Genocide on a massive industrial scale. Even the War effort of supplies took second place for material and trains to keep the slaughter going.
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Armenians say you're wrong.
 
gerryh

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But I would like your government to apologise, on behalf of all Canadians, for the ills and atrocities that Canada has perpetrated.
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They have, like has already been suggested, try reading more than those british rags.


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Yeah. That's the kind of response I expected. Hit a nerve there, I think.
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Nope, no nerve, I'd be saying the same thing to brainless twats here in Canada that pull the same shyte that you just did concerning the seal hunt.



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Why don't we address the fact that you support laws which lock innocent brothers and sisters up for having consexual sex with each other?
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So, you have tried to drag a discussion about how the brits shamefully treated their hero's by deflection. Your above diversions have nothing to do with the fact that britain is responsible for this man's death. You're support for the laws that lead to his death show that brits still live in a backward and bigoted society.

Now, if you want to discuss Canada's ill's, start another thread.
 
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Blackleaf said:
But I would like your government to apologize, on behalf of all Canadians, for the ills and atrocities that Canada has perpetrated.


Yeah. That's the kind of response I expected. Hit a nerve there, I think.


Why don't we address the fact that you support laws which lock innocent brothers and sisters up for having consexual sex with each other? When these laws are repealed in fifty years' time you'll look like an intolerant dinosaur.
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Like I said before try reading a real newspaper. Our government has apologized ad nausium even for ills perpetrated under British rule.
 
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I'm sure Touring, brilliant as he was, could care less about the pardon.
 
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In Canada we have dealt with many of the problems that took place
its why we have some understanding of what others went through or
are going through. Are we perfect not even close but we don't try
to hide behind memories of a fading empire or it was just the time
they were in. Injustice does not come with an acceptable date.
And Walter I agree this man would care less about a pardon.
After all Turing didn't need a pardon those who committed the crime
should be asking for a pardon and those who committed the crime were
those in charge of the society.
 
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Blackleaf said:
So all those events were mythological? I know you are taught in your schools that Canada is squeaky clean and has never done anything wrong in its entire history apart from electing the odd government which is to the right of the far left, but the truth is completely different.


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Ever go to a slaughter house?
 
Dexter Sinister

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Blackleaf said:
But I would like your government to apologise, on behalf of all Canadians, for the ills and atrocities that Canada has perpetrated.
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Ah, so then we SHOULD apply contemporary sensibilities to the past? You've been consistently arguing the opposite here, ignoring counter arguments, and at least once thinking you're entitled to tell someone to stop it. Make up your mind.

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Armenians say you're wrong.
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No they don't. Read Goober's whole sentence, not just the first half of it: "It was the first Genocide on a massive industrial scale."
 
Dexter Sinister

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Yes, I know about all that Armenian stuff Walter, but you're still wrong. The Turks rounded people up and killed them or deported them, with many of them dying miserably in transit during the deportation process, and it certainly wasn't the first time that sort of thing happened, even the Old Testament talks about things like that happening. The Nazis went way beyond the Turks, at least an order of magnitude bigger, and turned it into a business. They organized a major industrial scale system for finding, rounding up, transporting, holding, and exterminating people while robbing them of everything, including gold fillings and hair, and invested enormous resources in building and maintaining the bureaucracy and the facilities and supplies to do it over many years. That's the first time anyone did that.
 
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