In the spirit of Christmas(and the man that this thread is about) I have issued a pardon to all the CCers who have received a neg rep in this thread.
Computer pioneer and Nazi codebreaker Alan Turing is given posthumous royal pardon
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This is the same nonsense from the fifties when McCarthy went all over America
looking for communists in closets and under the beds of citizens. Pure nonsense.
A man who today would be regarded a hero treated the way he was Britain should
be ashamed of itself.
looking for communists in closets and under the beds of citizens. Pure nonsense.
A man who today would be regarded a hero treated the way he was Britain should
be ashamed of itself.
I'm sorry but the pardon comes just a little late for the man who was practically pushed into suicide. He doesn't know he is acceptable to people now.
Stop using the thoughts and sensibilities of the 2010s and applying them to the early to mid 20th Century. They were completely different times with different beliefs and sensibilities and opinions and today's very PC beliefs and sensibilities and opinions do not apply to the time in which Turing lived, a time when lots and lots of ordinary people looked down on homosexuality.
No, it wasn't. It was a law developed in accordance with the prevailing mindset of the day, which was very different to that of today.
I'll ask again: What have archaic laws that aren't enforced got to do with modern laws that ARE enforced like those under which Turing got himself into trouble?
What a silly comment. To defend laws which were NOT seen as being unjust and wrong at the time they were enforced is the right thing to do. Again, you're looking at it with today's views and sensibilities and opinions. Turing didn't live in the early 21st Century. He lived in the early to mid twentieth century when homosexuality was more frowned upon than it is today. At the time, the anti-homosexuality laws were not widely seen as being unjust.
That's not a "modern" law by any stretch of the imagination. Just shows how backward the world was. As I have stated previous, those responsible for the law, finding him guilty, and sentencing him should be locked up and the key thrown away if any are still alive.
So I assume you have no problem defending laws that allowed slavery, allowed for women not to vote, allowed men to beat women,............... all because they were not seen as "unjust" at the time.
It was at the time. Again, yet again, you are applying the thinking of the early 21st Century to the very different period of the early 20th century when homosexuality was much more frowned upon by people in all walks of life than it is today. People at the time didn't think it was an unjust law.
The only ones that "frowned on" homosexuality then and now are brain dead, moral-less idiots.
No. I don't have a problem with defending such laws when they were in effect AT THE TIME, because such things were NOT seen as morally wrong in those days. Laws merely reflect the opinions of society as a whole in each period of time and views and opinions change over time. I bet there are many laws today which we view as just and necessary which will be seen as harsh and barbaric decades and centuries from now. But we don't view them as barbaric because of the times we live in.
Yes the same rules should apply. These people were wrong then and some are wrong now.
It also demonstrates the old Empire attitude where people thought they were better than the
rest. Sort of like everyone should be equal and we will be a little more equal than the rest.
In my view these were terrible laws and distorted thinking that came about through privilege
and greed and they should be admonished for what they did.
It also demonstrates the old Empire attitude where people thought they were better than the
rest. Sort of like everyone should be equal and we will be a little more equal than the rest.
In my view these were terrible laws and distorted thinking that came about through privilege
and greed and they should be admonished for what they did.
Only from the viewpoint of the 2010s. They weren't wrong from the viewpoint of the time, and the laws then, quite rightly, were supposed to reflect the attitudes of the time, not the attitudes of the 21st Century. I wonder how many laws today, which you completely agree with, will be seen as barbaric and unjust 50 years from now.
Why don't we outlaw sex between brothers and sisters? Such barbaric laws which jail CONSENTING brothers and sisters from having sex are barbaric and should be repealed.
Why allow two men to have sex with each other but not brother and sister? To me, allowing two men to have sex is a bizarre as allowing two siblings to have sex.
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Not by the attitudes of their time, they weren't. Fifty years from now somebody could easily say that YOU are a braindead moron for believing in things which people will then frown upon.
I think we either live in a democracy and an open society or we don't.
As for what happened in another time, Canada is paying with a black
eye for residential schools, and how the Japanese were treated during
WWII and the British folks who had the Chinese head tax and the
political slogans beware of the Yellow Peril and a host of other things.
By addressing them you help to put them in the past where they belong.
incidents like the one that happened here was ignored and it continued
What is really surprising is , we raise all this fuss right now and in ten
years it will be a thing of the past the next generation will wonder what
the fuss was about. A serious injustice was done to this man and we
the people of the future on histories timeline are the ones who must see
it corrected and ensure things like this don't happen again.
The British are in the position that if there is to be a correction and a
reconciliation it would take a thousand years to cure the ills they created.
No people who stand up for justice are not without morals they are people
of conscience, the others don't seem to have
As for what happened in another time, Canada is paying with a black
eye for residential schools, and how the Japanese were treated during
WWII and the British folks who had the Chinese head tax and the
political slogans beware of the Yellow Peril and a host of other things.
By addressing them you help to put them in the past where they belong.
incidents like the one that happened here was ignored and it continued
What is really surprising is , we raise all this fuss right now and in ten
years it will be a thing of the past the next generation will wonder what
the fuss was about. A serious injustice was done to this man and we
the people of the future on histories timeline are the ones who must see
it corrected and ensure things like this don't happen again.
The British are in the position that if there is to be a correction and a
reconciliation it would take a thousand years to cure the ills they created.
No people who stand up for justice are not without morals they are people
of conscience, the others don't seem to have
So I'm assuming that Canada is about to outlaw consensual sex between siblings?
When are Canadians going to apologise for the 1993 Somalia Affair; for working Chinese people to death to construct your railways; for the confinement of innocent Japanese Canadians during WWII; for the terrible conduct of Canadian soldiers during the Korean War, who had their sentences suspended or even commuted on their return to Canada; for the 1874 Indian Act, which imprisoned thousands of Native Indians and made them legal wards of the state; for the 1928 Sexual Sterilization Act in Alberta, allowing any inmate of a native residential school to be sterilized upon the approval of the school Principal; for the clubbing to death of baby seals?
You been hiding under a rock for the last decade? Try reading a real newspaper not those british tabloid rags you are so fond of.
So all those events were mythological? I know you are taught in your schools that Canada is squeaky clean and has never done anything wrong in its entire history apart from electing the odd government which is to the right of the far left, but the truth is completely different.
