Justin Trudeau's 'foolish' China remarks spark anger

Zipperfish

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Pretty sad argument... Much like saying murder is illegal, but assault with a deadly weapon is OK

Close. More like speeding, though. It's just as illegal to speed as it is to commit murder. But everybody speeds at one time or another, mopstly when we're younger. That would probably be a better analogy.








Laughed my fukking balls off on that one.

Justine hasn't articulated an economic platform.. In fact, he's not made any position clear on damn near any important issues other than having a deep interest in understanding which are the ladies' favorite virtues.

Thanks for the chuckles bud

Sorry, I should have specified--personal economic reasons, just by nature of the business I'm in--which I seem to recall is similar to the business you're in. However that may chnage--looking at some other opportunities right now, and could be on the Harper bandwagon again if one of those works out.
 

petros

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Screw Justin....

What does Ralph have to say?

He is the guy who will be running things for Justin.

Economic mediocrity not good enough for Canada!

Posted on November 12, 2013


While criticisms of Stephen Harper’s speech at the recent Conservative Party convention in Calgary focused primarily on his failure to offer the slightest acknowledgement of the ethical scandal currently engulfing his office, the economic content of that speech was also highly dubious.

He began with the absurd claim that he has cut the cost of government. Maybe that’s what embarrassed Party delegates would like to hear and believe, but it’s not true.

Mr. Harper has escalated federal government spending to an all-time record high in excess of $280-billion annually. He has run six consecutive deficits, adding some $160-billion to accumulated federal debt and pushing Canada’s debt burden to an all-time record high of more than $620-billion.

His debt-to-GDP ratio is no better than when he first took office nearly eight years ago — even though the recession (which he blames for everything) ended more than four years ago. He recently postponed his target for any significant debt-ratio improvement until 2021.

Among the things for which Mr. Harper is increasing his spending is grossly misleading government advertising — all those irritating “economic action plan” TV ads, for example. Just 30-seconds of air-time for just one of those commercials costs taxpayers close to $100,000!

He is also heavily promoting his so-called “Jobs Grant” mentioned in the last federal Budget. He would like you to think he has a credible plan to expand employment and training. Trouble is, the grant program he’s advertising doesn’t exist. It’s beyond federal jurisdiction. '

There’s not a penny of new federal money for it. It would have to be negotiated with provinces. And all of the provinces have already rejected it. So both the plan and the advertising are a complete scam.

Mr. Harper is also increasing government spending on his political machine. The budget for his own office, for instance, is going up by more than 7%, while programs and services for war veterans and wounded soldiers are being cut by more than 20%.

On another front, Mr. Harper likes to promote the fiction that he doesn’t raise taxes. But, in fact, he has increased the net federal tax burden on Canadians in each of his last four budgets. It happens in dozens of nefarious ways, which he hopes you won’t notice — like a new federal tax on hospital parking fees and an extra $75-million every year in higher incomes taxes taken from Credit Unions.

And there have been several very large tax increases — $3.6-billion extracted from employers and employees over the past three years in higher Employment Insurance payroll taxes, $333-million every year on-going in higher tariff taxes on consumer goods, and $550-million per year in new taxes on the owners of small businesses.

Most of these new and higher Conservative taxes directly hit and hurt Canada’s middle-class and all those who are working hard to join the middle-class. But Mr. Harper remains oblivious to their needs.

And finally, there’s the crucial issue of economic growth. It has stalled under Stephen Harper. As mentioned above, the recession ended more than four years ago, but Canada’s growth remains slow and sluggish, falling behind a number of OECD countries with whom we must compete. Domestically, Mr. Harper’s growth record is, in fact, the worst of any Prime Minister since R.B. Bennett. And he has no plan to get any better.

Such mediocrity is just not good enough for Canada.

All Harper had to do was finish the Liberal planned AP Gateway and XL southern energy corridor and all would be good. Where are his balls?
 

JLM

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Screw Justin....

What does Ralph have to say?

He is the guy who will be running things for Justin.

Economic mediocrity not good enough for Canada!

Posted on November 12, 2013


While criticisms of Stephen Harper’s speech at the recent Conservative Party convention in Calgary focused primarily on his failure to offer the slightest acknowledgement of the ethical scandal currently engulfing his office, the economic content of that speech was also highly dubious.

He began with the absurd claim that he has cut the cost of government. Maybe that’s what embarrassed Party delegates would like to hear and believe, but it’s not true.

Mr. Harper has escalated federal government spending to an all-time record high in excess of $280-billion annually. He has run six consecutive deficits, adding some $160-billion to accumulated federal debt and pushing Canada’s debt burden to an all-time record high of more than $620-billion.

His debt-to-GDP ratio is no better than when he first took office nearly eight years ago — even though the recession (which he blames for everything) ended more than four years ago. He recently postponed his target for any significant debt-ratio improvement until 2021.

Among the things for which Mr. Harper is increasing his spending is grossly misleading government advertising — all those irritating “economic action plan” TV ads, for example. Just 30-seconds of air-time for just one of those commercials costs taxpayers close to $100,000!

He is also heavily promoting his so-called “Jobs Grant” mentioned in the last federal Budget. He would like you to think he has a credible plan to expand employment and training. Trouble is, the grant program he’s advertising doesn’t exist. It’s beyond federal jurisdiction. '

There’s not a penny of new federal money for it. It would have to be negotiated with provinces. And all of the provinces have already rejected it. So both the plan and the advertising are a complete scam.

Mr. Harper is also increasing government spending on his political machine. The budget for his own office, for instance, is going up by more than 7%, while programs and services for war veterans and wounded soldiers are being cut by more than 20%.

On another front, Mr. Harper likes to promote the fiction that he doesn’t raise taxes. But, in fact, he has increased the net federal tax burden on Canadians in each of his last four budgets. It happens in dozens of nefarious ways, which he hopes you won’t notice — like a new federal tax on hospital parking fees and an extra $75-million every year in higher incomes taxes taken from Credit Unions.

And there have been several very large tax increases — $3.6-billion extracted from employers and employees over the past three years in higher Employment Insurance payroll taxes, $333-million every year on-going in higher tariff taxes on consumer goods, and $550-million per year in new taxes on the owners of small businesses.

Most of these new and higher Conservative taxes directly hit and hurt Canada’s middle-class and all those who are working hard to join the middle-class. But Mr. Harper remains oblivious to their needs.

And finally, there’s the crucial issue of economic growth. It has stalled under Stephen Harper. As mentioned above, the recession ended more than four years ago, but Canada’s growth remains slow and sluggish, falling behind a number of OECD countries with whom we must compete. Domestically, Mr. Harper’s growth record is, in fact, the worst of any Prime Minister since R.B. Bennett. And he has no plan to get any better.

Such mediocrity is just not good enough for Canada.

All Harper had to do was finish the Liberal planned AP Gateway and XL southern energy corridor and all would be good. Where are his balls?

A prime example of where you can get statistics to prove anything you want!
 

Zipperfish

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On the eoncomy, you can't be too results oriented anyway. Fact is, what happenes with the global economy has almost bugger-all to do with what happenes at the federal level. It's like trying to blame the captain of teh ship because a storm rode in. What is important is how teh captain managed the ship during the storm.
 

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From I could tell on the noon news, we might be best just to stick with Harper. A lot more substance in that than another dose of "Trudeaumania". Why are people such slow learners?
I could careless about who leads, it's the team behind them that matters. He is only there because Ralph refuses to learn French.
 

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From I could tell on the noon news, we might be best just to stick with Harper. A lot more substance in that than another dose of "Trudeaumania". Why are people such slow learners?

Generally because we assume ourselves to be much more rational than we actually are. Generally we're creatures of comfort and habit who liike to imagine that we've thought everything out, but rarely put that much thought into our decisions outside of "it feels right."

(See Daniel Kahneman, "Thinking Fast and Slow" for example. Or Nassim Nicholas Taleb's "The Black Swan.")
 

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I could careless about who leads, it's the team behind them that matters. He is only there because Ralph refuses to learn French.

Wouldn't "learning French" just take up a whole bunch of valuable time a guy could spend learning something useful?
 

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Generally because we assume ourselves to be much more rational than we actually are. Generally we're creatures of comfort and habit who liike to imagine that we've thought everything out, but rarely put that much thought into our decisions outside of "it feels right."

(See Daniel Kahneman, "Thinking Fast and Slow" for example. Or Nassim Nicholas Taleb's "The Black Swan.")

The Politicians work on the voters emotion level big time-
 

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Andrew Coyne wrote a pretty good article on this.

Andrew Coyne: Justin Trudeau’s gaffes reveal the gulf between his intellectual reach and grasp | National Post


Not everything that comes out of Justin Trudeau’s mouth is simple-minded prattle, though you could be forgiven for thinking so. The Liberal leader has long made a habit of sticking his tongue into the nearest electrical outlet, and shows no sign of giving it up. It is harder and harder to see this as a refreshing candour, or even a dangerously loose lip. Rather, we seem to be tapping directly into the workings of a cluttered and undisciplined mind.
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The point is not that Trudeau would, if he became prime minister, impose a communist dictatorship across Canada. His approach to China would be unlikely to differ greatly from that preferred by much of the political and business class, which is that you should cluck about its abysmal human rights record, but not so loudly that it notices.