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Unlike many people, I just say it as it is. There's no piss-farting about with me.

I've had this discussion many times before that the USA was not needed to win WWII. The Americans have too high an opinion of themselves and their second-rate, trigger-happy, gung-ho soldiers and the truth of the matter is that two huge and powerful empires - the USSR and Britain - did not need America's smaller armed forces to win WWII.

Both Britain and the USSR were quite capable of defeating Germany without American intervention, and would have done so had the US stayed out of the war.

Many historians are in agreement on that matter. If it hurts American pride, tough. America wasn't a large empire like Britain back in WWII.

Pretty arrogant thinking. Every man and woman who engaged in the cause were valuable, what you are saying is one/more players on a football squad aren't needed. But then you Blighters have that reputation. (P.S. I had four British grandparents)

Britain and Russia beat Germany.

The USA wasn't needed, and only joined in because of Pearl Harbour.

And that wasn't a valid reason?
 

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As stated, without Canada you would have starved to death by 1941.

Bull****. What school did you go to?

What did Canada do? Sink all the U-boats blockading food entering Britain?

It was the Women's Land Army which kept Britain fed when food imports weren't reaching us.

That and rationing. The British government knew way before war started that the Axis would block British food imports, and planned for rationing as early as 1936.
 

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Unlike many people, I just say it as it is. There's no piss-farting about with me.

I've had this discussion many times before that the USA was not needed to win WWII. The Americans have too high an opinion of themselves and their second-rate, trigger-happy, gung-ho soldiers and the truth of the matter is that two huge and powerful empires - the USSR and Britain - did not need America's smaller armed forces to win WWII.

The Brits begged the Yanks to save their azzes in both World Wars. Now that hurts even to this day.

Both Britain and the USSR were quite capable of defeating Germany without American intervention, and would have done so had the US stayed out of the war.

The Soviets saved you early on... then the Yanks came.

Many historians are in agreement on that matter. If it hurts American pride, tough. America wasn't a large empire like Britain back in WWII.

In your dreams.
 

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Pretty arrogant thinking.

The truth isn't arrogant.

And that wasn't a valid reason?

Where did I say it wasn't valid?

I'm just pointing out the habit of the Yanks to overstate their role in WWII. A lot of historians are of the belief that Britain and Russia - two vast empires, which many seem to forget - were more than capable of winning the war without the US.

The problem is Americans a fed a romanticised version of their complete history where they are told they are a nation of Supermen or Captain Americas, and believe they were responsible for the saving of civilisation during WWII. It's all rubbish.
 

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I'd better add a little P.S. My use of the term "blighter" is apparently a little different from conventional use. Pertaining to inhabitants of "Old Blighty". Sorry if anyone is pissed off! -:)
 

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Bull****. What school did you go to?

What did Canada do? Sink all the U-boats blockading food entering Britain?

It was the Women's Land Army which kept Britain fed when food imports weren't reaching us.

That and rationing. The British government knew way before war started that the Axis would block British food imports, and planned for rationing as early as 1936.

North America kept you fed... took in your children because you were incapable of protecting them... and cleared a path in the North Atlantic.

'... the only thing that ever really frightened me during the war was the U-boat peril'- Winston Churchill

And you thought the Battle of Britain was a turning point. lmao

Operation Barborossa was what saved Britain... then the US and Canadian Navy.
 

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The Brits begged the Yanks to save their azzes in both World Wars.

Yeah. A vast empire with millions more troops on hand than the United States was begging to Captain America for help.

In YOUR dreams pal.

The Soviets saved you early on... then the Yanks came.

The British saved EVERYBODY in 1940 by beating the Germans in the Battle of Britain. Without Britain winning that battle, Germany would have won. 1940 was the year that Britain saved everyone from catastrophe.

Where were the Yanks and Soviets then, may I ask?

Oh yeah, sorry, they weren't even in the war at that point. Britain was alone fighting the Nazis, wasn't it?

In your dreams.

It's not in my dreams actually. It's true. Many, MANY people now are of the opinion that America's role in WWII has been exaggerated, and that Britain would have still won the war anyway without American help.

We were winning battles against the Germans even when we were fighting ON OUR OWN, without the Yanks, Soviets or anyone else.
 

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I'm just pointing out the habit of the Yanks to overstate their role in WWII. A lot of historians are of the belief that Britain and Russia - two vast empires, which many seem to forget - were more than capable of winning the war without the US.

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The Germans drove you into the English Channel!
 

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North America kept you fed... took in your children because you were incapable of protecting them... and cleared a path in the North Atlantic.

'... the only thing that ever really frightened me during the war was the U-boat peril'- Winston Churchill

And you thought the Battle of Britain was a turning point. lmao

Operation Barborossa was what saved Britain... then the US and Canadian Navy.

It was the Land Girls who kept Britain fed.

Canada couldn't feed Britain because the U-boats were blocking our ports, remember.
 

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What did Canada do? Sink all the U-boats blockading food entering Britain?
The Canadian food, iron, coal, and fuel in the North Atlantic convoys didn't matter? The Corvette Navy as they called themselves defeated the Wolf Packs. Oh lets not forget the incredible Canadian built Lancasters that blew Germany to bits with Canadian airmen at the stick.
 

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The Germans drove you into the English Channel!

I also seem to remember that we had victories against the Germans, too, whilst you lot in Yankeeland were doing sod all and whilst everyone else except Britain was doing sod all.

I may be wrong, but I don't think I am.

I would have loved to have seen how the Yanks would have fared alone against Nazi Germany. You struggled against the Vietnamese. You would have been ****ed fighting solo against Nazi Germany, and there's no way you would have pulled off a victory like that Britain managed in the Battle of Britain.

The Canadian food, iron, coal, and fuel in the North Atlantic convoys didn't matter?

No, not really. Britain was, at the time, a big coal and iron producer herself.
 

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Yeah. A vast empire with millions more troops on hand than the United States was begging to Captain America for help.

Truth hurts... Churchill BEGGED.


The British saved EVERYBODY in 1940 by beating the Germans in the Battle of Britain. Without Britain winning that battle, Germany would have won. 1940 was the year that Britain saved everyone from catastrophe.

That tiny dogfight?

The Germans were saving their strength for the Soviets. The Battle of Britain was only important for Brits.

Where were the Yanks and Soviets then, may I ask?

The Brits were the ones that declared war on Germany! They laughed and whipped your butts.

You started a fight that you couldn't win without allies.

Oh yeah, sorry, they weren't even in the war at that point. Britain was alone fighting the Nazis, wasn't it?

That's what happens when you start a war by yourself.



It's not in my dreams actually. It's true. Many, MANY people now are of the opinion that America's role in WWII has been exaggerated, and that Britain would have still won the war anyway without American help.

Nobody is. Just Briddish pride is hurt still after all these years.
 

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I also seem to remember that we had victories against the Germans, too, whilst you lot in Yankeeland were doing sod all and whilst everyone else except Britain was doing sod all.

I may be wrong, but I don't think I am.

You're wrong.

I would have loved to have seen how the Yanks would have fared alone against Nazi Germany. You struggled against the Vietnamese. You would have been ****ed fighting solo against Nazi Germany, and there's no way you would have pulled off a victory like that Britain managed in the Battle of Britain.


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Vietnam... blah blah blah.

Moving the goal posts. Typical Brit.

The USAF owned the Luftwaffe AND the Japanese AFs.

That's why you needed the American Eagle Squadron, Canadians, and Poles to help you win the Battle of Britain.
 

petros

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The British saved EVERYBODY in 1940 by beating the Germans in the Battle of Britain. Without Britain winning that battle, Germany would have won. 1940 was the year that Britain saved everyone from catastrophe.
The British? When did the earth move Poland, Canada, Australia, South Africa to the turd in the Atlantic punch bowl?