What does it mean to hate Christ?

[petros]

I'll believe it when I see it

You are already seeing it.

 

[Cliffy]

Self-righteousness doesn't need religion to exist... In fact, it's even more amplified and obnoxious amongst those that claim to have no faith at all.... Just like ex-smokers, they are crusaders and the biggest pain-in-the-azs going

"I used to be all messed up on drugs, and now I'm all messed up on the Lord." - Cheech and Chong

Been visited by the Mormons or the JWs lately. And yes, I would prefer to hear from a reformed alcoholic that a reformed smoker. They are not so preachy (at least most of the ones I met).

 

[cj44]

That's what atheists do.................................You forgot to read what I said followers do...and I meant the silent majority who's religion is a personal thing and don't spend all their time trying to convert others......

Hey Sleeper, Do you know Jesus? Thumpity Thump Thump
Take it easy. If you needed a drink of water or a roof over your head, I'd be happy to oblige you. Once you came into my house, I'd slap you in the chops with the good book and tell you about Jesus.

 

[Cliffy]

Hey Sleeper, Do you know Jesus? Thumpity Thump Thump
Take it easy. If you needed a drink of water or a roof over your head, I'd be happy to oblige you. Once you came into my house, I'd slap you in the chops with the good book and tell you about Jesus.

I have had several born againers get in my face and say, "but do you know Jesus?"
My standard answer is, "Yes, he is a personal friend of mine and he tells me he is really pissed off at you!" Then we may or may not continue the conversation.

 

[captain morgan]

"I used to be all messed up on drugs, and now I'm all messed up on the Lord." - Cheech and Chong

Great... Got anymore fukked-up junkies that you can turn to for sound advice on living your life?

Tell ya what, head down to East Hastings on Mardi Gras Wednesday and solicit some guidance from one of the toothless meth-heads on the subject

Been visited by the Mormons or the JWs lately. And yes, I would prefer to hear from a reformed alcoholic that a reformed smoker. They are not so preachy (at least most of the ones I met).

No I haven't been visited by them.. Been years in fact.... But I have been harangued by leagues of do-gooders on the evils of drink and tobacco. It's a daily event for that matter.

 

[Cliffy]

Great... Got anymore fukked-up junkies that you can turn to for sound advice on living your life?

Tell ya what, head down to East Hastings on Mardi Gras Wednesday and solicit some guidance from one of the toothless meth-heads on the subject

Ooooo! Touched a nerve, did I.

 

[SLM]

Hey Sleeper, Do you know Jesus?

Shouldn't that be up to him? Don't you guys have Freedom of Association down there?

Lol

No I haven't been visited by them.. Been years in fact.... But I have been harangued by leagues of do-gooders on the evils of drink and tobacco. It's a daily event for that matter.

How many times do we need to go over this? That is not the purpose of AA meetings.

LOL

 

[darkbeaver]

To be blunt, it means you have heard of God. That established a relationship by His terms. He is prepared for two groups, those already believers and those that go for further training before they are classified as believers.

God commands knowledge arrived at through reason and work believers simply warm pews.

 

[cj44]

God commands knowledge arrived at through reason and work believers simply warm pews.

We have heated pews at my church. Does that reflect poorly on us?

I have had several born againers get in my face and say, "but do you know Jesus?"
My standard answer is, "Yes, he is a personal friend of mine and he tells me he is really pissed off at you!" Then we may or may not continue the conversation.

I'm just messin with Sleeper. And....Maybe the better question is Does JEsus know you?

Great... Got anymore fukked-up junkies that you can turn to for sound advice on living your life?

Tell ya what, head down to East Hastings on Mardi Gras Wednesday and solicit some guidance from one of the toothless meth-heads on the subject



No I haven't been visited by them.. Been years in fact.... But I have been harangued by leagues of do-gooders on the evils of drink and tobacco. It's a daily event for that matter.

I like bourbon. I could make you a real nice milkshake.

 

[Cliffy]

I'm just messin with Sleeper. And....Maybe the better question is Does JEsus know you?

There is nothing in the Universe that is not god. We are a part of god. There is no way to separate ourselves from the rest of creation. If there was, we would not exist. If you call Jesus god then there is no way that we cannot be aware of each other.

 

[captain morgan]

Ooooo! Touched a nerve, did I.

Hardly, I simply offered some perspective on the situation.

... But on that note, you should go down to EH and get some advice on good livin' from those that walk a parallel path as Cheech and Chong

How many times do we need to go over this? That is not the purpose of AA meetings.

LOL

They don't like it when you bring your own cocktails to the meetings.... Whodda thunk it?

 

[PoliticalNick]

What does it mean to hate Christ????

I would say it means you need serious professional help for hating a fictional character. You might as well hate Bilbo Baggins or Peter Pan. Anybody who would waste that much energy and emotion on a fictional being has some massive mental issues.

 

[cj44]

There is nothing in the Universe that is not god. We are a part of god. There is no way to separate ourselves from the rest of creation. If there was, we would not exist. If you call Jesus god then there is no way that we cannot be aware of each other.

Cliffy, am I detecting a buddhist sentiment?

What does it mean to hate Christ????

I would say it means you need serious professional help for hating a fictional character. You might as well hate Bilbo Baggins or Peter Pan. Anybody who would waste that much energy and emotion on a fictional being has some massive mental issues.

WHAT???? Are you telling me Peter is a fraud??? Great. Thanks for ruining my weekend!

Aside from that I have no doubt I need "serious professional help", but are you telling me Christ is not a historical person or are you saying his messiahood (yeah, I know that is not a word) is fictional.

And...I wouldn't go so far as to say that I have "massive" mental issues. I mean it's not like I spend my time sitting in a corner, chewing on my shoe waiting for a spotted unicorn to show up.

 

[PoliticalNick]

WHAT???? Are you telling me Peter is a fraud??? Great. Thanks for ruining my weekend!

Yep! and Paul and Luke and Mark and Mathew etc. The worst fraud of all is the pope and his peons who decided which lies would go into the bible about 800 years ago.

Aside from that I have no doubt I need "serious professional help", but are you telling me Christ is not a historical person or are you saying his messiahood (yeah, I know that is not a word) is fictional.

Admitting the problem is the first step to the cure. Both are false. Well at least the messiahood (nice word invention BTW, I think you should submit it to Websters for addition to the dictionary) he may have actually existed but I have many doubts and the whole miracle thing, just ain't happening.

And...I wouldn't go so far as to say that I have "massive" mental issues. I mean it's not like I spend my time sitting in a corner, chewing on my shoe waiting for a spotted unicorn to show up.

If you chew both shoes and wear a beannie with the propeller you will get a blue and pink striped unicorn....spotted, sheesh, you do need help! :lol:

 

[cj44]

Motar: I thought within the context of the chapter, Jesus is referring to the "world" those that do not believe they need a redeemer. Or is the "hate group" the pharisees - those that do the "works of the law" (or at least think they do). I think 400 plus years ago, those in unwittingly in opposition to Jesus were likely adhering to a set of rituals, ceremonies, good works. They would call themselves Christians, but since they trusted in "works", they denied Christ. Now, I think things have changed in that there are few who are cognizant of sin. Consciences are no longer terrorized. (not that I think one should be terrorized!) So many do not recognize sin or even think to confess sin to God. Does that constitute "hate" toward Jesus. Will look forward to your thoughts.

I would concur, cj, that the hate group in this context is the religious establishment of Jesus' earthly day. The Pharisees were one of the politico-religious groups opposed to the message and ministry of Christ. On a political level, He was a threat to their political-religious system and would undermine their authority among the people:

"Jesus entered the temple courts, and, while he was teaching, the chief priests and the elders of the people came to him. “By what authority are you doing these things?” they asked. “And who gave you this authority?” (Matthew 21:23)

On a personal plane, Jesus imposed upon the religious leaders' sense of self-righteousness:

"On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” (Luke 10:25-29)

In our day, organized religion can still be a hindrance to the cause of Christ. The media does a good job of pointing out examples of this fact on a regular basis.

So, how are Christians distinguished from this?

Motar: "So, how are Christians distinguished from this?" Most difficult these days, but i think judge not, love much and in all try not to be a jerk while not throwing the faith out the window. A tall order indeed. It seems Christians nowadays are judged more harshly and even in the most trivial of matters. I think the media finds their foothold against Christians by using politically correct/incorrect matters. They are defining us as haters based on social preferences.

 

[JLM]

Is this really that hard to figure out? I would guess it means the hater has a hateful disposition!

 

[hunboldt]

What about hating a religion so much that you study the book in depth simply so you can find things wrong with it, while the followers simply scan parts of it for inspiration.......:roll:

Good point. Hating Christ means hating the message of self actualization.

EVEN if he was invented by a Roman Conspiracy"...

 

[cj44]

Is this really that hard to figure out? I would guess it means the hater has a hateful disposition!

Excellent. You have removed obscurity and unraveled the mystery....though we should ponder this more deeply.

Good point. Hating Christ means hating the message of self actualization.

EVEN if he was invented by a Roman Conspiracy"...

Hunboldt: What do you mean???? Self Actualization? Tell more.

 

[petros]

Hating God is hating yourself.

That's not a good thing.

 

[hunboldt]

Excellent. You have removed obscurity and unraveled the mystery....though we should ponder this more deeply.


Hunboldt: What do you mean???? Self Actualization? Tell more.[/QUOTE]


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