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petros

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Make it like WCB, if no preventable incidents (in this case preventable illness or injury) you get a 20% rebate.

hunboldt said:
Name me one right wing foundation that stepped forward with the cash to keep those monuments open..
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Hey I've had free cookies and coffee provided by Republican youth at an Interstate rest area. It made me happy because I like coffee and cookies.
 
JLM

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PoliticalNick said:
If an employer has no need for a full time person they do not have to hire one but they will still pay the same premium for healthcare. Where the big difference would be seen is in bigger corps like wal-mart and superstore who hire 75% of their people at just below fulltime levels to avoid paying benefits. If they are forced to pay healthcare premiums at the same level for every employee it no longer makes sense to have 50 part-timers when you could do the same job with 25 or 30 full-timers.
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Is it carved in stone that employers have to pay benefits? I think that is a precedent that got set within the past 50 years or so. I know when I first started with the provincial gov't we got benefits as we were about 10% below the private sector wage, but in the 70s we caught up with the private sector wage but everyone still expected benefits. I'm not sure how we are gaining, a loaf of bread is now $2.50 whereas when I started in the workforce it was 15 cents. Just compare the level of household debt between now and 1960 and tell me how we are better off. There were virtually no food banks in 1960, so that alone has to tell you something.

petros said:
Make it like WCB, if no preventable incidents (in this case preventable illness or injury) you get a 20% rebate.


Hey I've had free cookies and coffee provided by Republican youth at an Interstate rest area. It made me happy because I like coffee and cookies.
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That a boy Petros, the bastards never gave me any and over the years I've stopped at most of them along the I-5! LOL

PoliticalNick said:
If an employer has no need for a full time person they do not have to hire one but they will still pay the same premium for healthcare. Where the big difference would be seen is in bigger corps like wal-mart and superstore who hire 75% of their people at just below fulltime levels to avoid paying benefits. If they are forced to pay healthcare premiums at the same level for every employee it no longer makes sense to have 50 part-timers when you could do the same job with 25 or 30 full-timers.
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That's excellent, Nick, where all employees are interchangeable but what about where you have an accountant, a receptionist, a pay roll clerk, a janitor, an electrician, a carpenter, a painter, a pipe fitter, a plumber, a dry waller, a carpet installer, etc. etc. etc. ? -:)
 
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JLM said:
Is it carved in stone that employers have to pay benefits? I think that is a precedent that got set within the past 50 years or so. I know when I first started with the provincial gov't we got benefits as we were about 10% below the private sector wage, but in the 70s we caught up with the private sector wage but everyone still expected benefits. I'm not sure how we are gaining, a loaf of bread is now $2.50 whereas when I started in the workforce it was 15 cents. Just compare the level of household debt between now and 1960 and tell me how we are better off. There were virtually no food banks in 1960, so that alone has to tell you something.
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They don't have to right now but it would be beneficial to society if all employers had to provide benefits. At least they should provide healthcare.
Back in the sixties there was less inflation, less national debt and less control of legislation by corporations. Of course things were better back then, it was more about the welfare of the population as a whole and less about the bottom line.
That's excellent, Nick, where all employees are interchangeable but what about where you have an accountant, a receptionist, a pay roll clerk, a janitor, an electrician, a carpenter, a painter, a pipe fitter, a plumber, a dry waller, a carpet installer, etc. etc. etc. ? -:)
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Most of those jobs are small business and full-time. Like I said, the big change will be in the corporate mentality of hiring 100 people part-time so you can pay them less and not pay for benefits. This is prevalent in today's business models and forces people to work multiple jobs or live on or below the poverty line. Putting these corporations in a position where it is in their best interest to hire full-time employees means people can better provide for themselves and their families and that is better for society.

As I see it the things that used to be provided by employers in the 50s and 60s have been moved to the responsibility of the govt in order for corporations to increase profit. Problem is there isn't enough tax revenue to cover these things so while corporations increase their bottom line it is at the expense of personal and public debt.
 
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JLM said:
...I'm a little baffled as to why you continue to live in the U.S.A. Maybe I've missed some of your posts but I frankly can't remember you saying one good thing about the U.S. Why don't you spare yourself the misery and relocate? Somalia or Iraq are a couple of places that come to mind where you might be happy. -:)
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Why are you such a smartass?

Perhaps you haven't read my previous post on this thread which read in pertinent part as follows:

I saw a pod of humpback whales at Sunny Cove on Monterey Bay today. I spend an hour watching them with field glasses. I also saw California sea lions, harbor seals, sea otters, one marbled murrelet, and a mixed collection of around twenty five thousand brown pelicans, double crested cormorants, herring gulls, California gulls, Caspian terns. pigeon guillemots, and other seabirds I couldn't identify working a bait ball of anchovies so plentiful that the water writhed with fish. I also saw shorebirds including snowy egrets, black turnstones, whimbrels, plovers, and other shorebirds I couldn't identify. I'm a bird watcher in one of the richest and most diverse habitats on earth.

After that a buddy and I hiked about a mile in the meadows and redwoods at the University of California at Santa Cruz campus. Then we stopped at a craft brewery and tasting room. In other words I've detached my emotions from the country and created a separate reality involving family, friends, and nature.
 
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petros said:
All the way down to Las Cruces NM where it intersects with I-10. Billings is on I-90
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Of course, where the hell is my head? Odd numbers run north and south. F**Ken Alzheimers! LOL

BaalsTears said:
Why are you such a smartass?

Perhaps you haven't read my previous post on this thread which read in pertinent part as follows:

I saw a pod of humpback whales at Sunny Cove on Monterey Bay today. I spend an hour watching them with field glasses. I also saw California sea lions, harbor seals, sea otters, one marbled murrelet, and a mixed collection of around twenty five thousand brown pelicans, double crested cormorants, herring gulls, California gulls, Caspian terns. pigeon guillemots, and other seabirds I couldn't identify working a bait ball of anchovies so plentiful that the water writhed with fish. I also saw shorebirds including snowy egrets, black turnstones, whimbrels, plovers, and other shorebirds I couldn't identify. I'm a bird watcher in one of the richest and most diverse habitats on earth.

After that a buddy and I hiked about a mile in the meadows and redwoods at the University of California at Santa Cruz campus. Then we stopped at a craft brewery and tasting room. In other words I've detached my emotions from the country and created a separate reality involving family, friends, and nature.
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Mea culpa, I just get the impression you aren't happy!

PoliticalNick said:
They don't have to right now but it would be beneficial to society if all employers had to provide benefits. At least they should provide healthcare.
Back in the sixties there was less inflation, less national debt and less control of legislation by corporations. Of course things were better back then, it was more about the welfare of the population as a whole and less about the bottom line.

Most of those jobs are small business and full-time. Like I said, the big change will be in the corporate mentality of hiring 100 people part-time so you can pay them less and not pay for benefits. This is prevalent in today's business models and forces people to work multiple jobs or live on or below the poverty line. Putting these corporations in a position where it is in their best interest to hire full-time employees means people can better provide for themselves and their families and that is better for society.

As I see it the things that used to be provided by employers in the 50s and 60s have been moved to the responsibility of the govt in order for corporations to increase profit. Problem is there isn't enough tax revenue to cover these things so while corporations increase their bottom line it is at the expense of personal and public debt.
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Nick, it was just on the news tonight where there are 6 firefighters in Kelowna earning over $100,000 a year................nothing against firefighters but to be logical where is that kind of money coming from in a town the size of Kelowna? At some point the brakes have to be applied and the foot taken off the accelerator.

petros said:
It all went to crap when we bought China.
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Yeah, but it sure beats the hell out of eating off Melmac!
 
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PoliticalNick said:
You make it sound like nobody who is self-employed can claim EI when in fact they can, they just have to meet a more stringent standard to qualify which prevents fraud and abuse.
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Must be new. I missed out.

PoliticalNick said:
Under the scheme I propose for healthcare you would actually be better of as self-employed as your premium would be the same as everyone else. Essentially you would be getting a subsidy from the rest of Canada. The other benefit would be to make it a national program so 13 bureaucracies become 1 and it wouldn't make a difference what province you were in or where you lived your coverage would remain the same.
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The one would be 13X as large and therefore probably less efficient. 13 x 1 or 1 x 13 is no nevermind to me. Its just reinventing the wheel plus the cost of the new wheel.
 
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hunboldt said:
How nice. Who checks them for spray paint? You may want to look up the definition of foundation
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Really... we're going to get into semantics?

The people that maintain them are paid for by THE PEOPLE that pay their salary... tax payers. They are not doing us a favor by securing/maintaining the monuments. These monuments are built using taxpayer money and the people that maintain them are paid with taxpayer money. We are not their subjects... yet.

petros said:
An offer is a nice gesture but did they follow through?
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No it was rejected by the Democrats.
 
hunboldt

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EagleSmack said:
Really... we're going to get into semantics?

The people that maintain them are paid for by THE PEOPLE that pay their salary... tax payers. They are not doing us a favor by securing/maintaining the monuments. These monuments are built using taxpayer money and the people that maintain them are paid with taxpayer money. We are not their subjects... yet.



No it was rejected by the Democrats.
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When is the Goofs Of Paralysis caucus going to open all the National Parks and Monuments?
 
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