Prince of Wales becomes oldest heir to the Throne for 300 years

[PoliticalNick]

I'd day parachuting a Muslim candidate into an area where there is a large Muslim population is not democracy, it's cheating.

I'd call it politics. Why would you run a hard line Tea-bagger in a constituency full of liberal Jews? It isn't cheating it is putting someone in place who represent the will of the majority of the constituents. That is what a democracy is supposed to be.

 

[SLM]

Slm,I agree with your points, however, discussions usually go way out of hand when too many people try to get that last nasty response in. Which triggers a reprisal response.

Fair enough and as I indicated in a reply post to Karrie the other day, there is a big part of me that hates when that happens. But what's also important is understanding why it happens. The old standby of if one person has a problem with you it's probably them, but if many people have a problem with you, well that increases the likelihood it's more or less you that is the problem, would seem to apply.

What relevance the discussion yesterday had to British Royal history was debatable.:lol:

Oh it's not debatable at all, there was absolutely no relevance.

 

[Blackleaf]

Running a candidate who fits with and will represent the voter base of an area is hardly 'cheating'.

Yes, it is.

She only got voted in because she's a Muzzie, not because of her policies - because she doesn't HAVE any policies. But, then again, the Labour Party as a whole has no policies, so employing such tactics is the only way they can get MPs in the Commons.

They could have found a candidate who has what they believe are good policies for the people of Bolton South East. Instead they thought they'd just find a Muslim candidate for this constituency, just to ensure they' win it.

 

[karrie]

Oh it's not debatable at all, there was absolutely no relevance.

That's the nature of threads as they age. Talking about Charles being old can only last so long.

 

[SLM]

That's the nature of threads as they age. Talking about Charles being old can only last so long.

And not everything ages like a fine wine either, lol.

 

[karrie]

Yes, it is.

She only got voted in because she's a Muzzie, not because of her policies - because she doesn't HAVE any policies. But, then again, the Labour Party as a whole has no policies, so employing such tactics is the only way they can get MPs in the Commons.

They could have found a candidate who has what they believe are good policies for the people of Bolton South East. Instead they thought they'd just find a Muslim candidate for this constituency, just to ensure they' win it.

From Wiki....

Yasmin Qureshi (born 5 July 1963)[1] is a Pakistani-born British Labour Party politician and a barrister practicing criminal law. She was elected as the Member of Parliament (MP) for Bolton South East in the May 2010 general election.[2]
At the age of 16, Qureshi joined the Labour Party and became active in local politics.[5]
She stood, unsuccessfully, for Labour in the London constituency of Brent East in 2005.[2] She has worked as a human rights advisor to the former London mayor Ken Livingstone[2] and previously headed the criminal legal section of the UN Mission in Kosovo.[2] Qureshi previously chaired the Human Rights and Civil Liberties Working Group of the Association of Muslim Lawyers and was President of the Pakistan Club (UK).[4]
She was elected at the 2010 general election in the safe Labour seat of Bolton South East, inheriting a majority of 11,000.[6] Qureshi, Rushanara Ali and Shabana Mahmood, elected at the same time, became Britain's first female Muslim MPs. Qureshi is also the first woman to be elected as the member of parliament for Bolton South East.[2]


Sounds to me like she probably has plenty of policies, and the experience to enact them. I can see why that would bother someone who disagrees with her party, but, to try to pretend that it's 'just because she's muslim' is a bit weak given her background.

 

[Blackleaf]

Sounds to me like she probably has plenty of policies, and the experience to enact them. I can see why that would bother someone who disagrees with her party, but, to try to pretend that it's 'just because she's muslim' is a bit weak given her background.

Yasmin Qureshi only won in Bolton South East because she was a Muslim running in an area of the town with more Muslims than the Kashmir. It was nothing to do with her policies. The Labour Party cheated in winning this seat.

 

[karrie]

Yasmin Qureshi only won in Bolton South East because she was a Muslim running in an area of the town with more Muslims than the Kashmir. It was nothing to do with her policies. The Labour Party cheated in winning this seat.

Saying it a third time doesn't make it more convincing than it was the first.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Yasmin Qureshi only won in Bolton South East because she was a Muslim running in an area of the town with more Muslims than the Kashmir. It was nothing to do with her policies. The Labour Party cheated in winning this seat.

Sounds like some pretty sour grapes to me. She obviously has experience with govt and is well educated. I would imagine her policies are inline with the Labour party and are somewhat tailored to fit the Muslim majority in her constituency. I think you are just pissed that your candidate didn't win and you didn't get a WASP with a racist streak. Really, the more you repeat yourself about how she won just because she is Muslim the more racist you look.

 

[JLM]

That's the nature of threads as they age. Talking about Charles being old can only last so long.

Charlie is NOT old, in fact he's a full five years younger than I am!

 

[PoliticalNick]

(born 5 July 1963)....At the age of 16, Qureshi joined the Labour Party

She has been a member of the Labour party since 1979, I'm sure her platform is very much along the party lines

She was elected at the 2010 general election in the safe Labour seat of Bolton South East

If the riding is traditionally Labour and they have held the seat for a very long time they probably could have run a ham sandwich and won.

At least she got a majority of the votes unlike Harper who became PM with less than 43%.

Now quit your whining....

Charlie is NOT old, in fact he's a full five years younger than I am!

Nobody is old compared to you....;-):lol:

 

[Sons of Liberty]

("Sons of Liberty"? LOL. Some people are too stupid to get away with trying to float the Big Lie.)

Tober, what you have quoted today has been quoted on and on and on since the Iraq invasion, taking quotes out of context to suit your purposes. You speak of the US and its expansionist policies since its inception, but I would suggest you look inwards and see that Canada's land mass hasn't remained the same since loyalists set foot up north. How do you explain your expansion?

 

[tober]

She only got in on votes? That's horrid.

LMAO! I thought the same thing. All the Asians voted for her? I'll bet a lot of the women also voted for a woman. Heaven forbid that they didn't support the dominant white. Multi-culturalism can be a bitch when you support it to look politically correct but secretly wish the "wogs" would keep their place.

 

[karrie]

Charlie is NOT old, in fact he's a full five years younger than I am!

Oh, you're right. He's not old, he's ancient!

*ducks and runs*

 

[tober]

I have no issue with opinions, strong or otherwise. I do take issue with people who don't listen and who show an absolute lack of respect. And it's not even the members that are directly being "attacked" (and I use quotations because it's not really an attack, 9 times out of 10 it's a back and forth in which both members participate), it's the disrespect it shows the entire membership as a whole that I don't like.

Oh nonsense. You just think I should wait until you assign me a place on your pecking order, and you are resentful that I don't suck up and wait like you probably did. I did not start any unpleasantness, I responded in kind to posters whose responses were challenging. The complaint from the outset has been that I am "too new" to do that.

When members who don't normally wander into the fray start wandering in, that's a clear signal. Smart, observant people take note of that. They don't respond by saying "must be on the right track", or words to that effect.

I have never claimed perfectio,n but I do maintain that this entire pissing contest is about pecking order. Produce evidence to the contrary and let's argue it. This is a site for arguing isn't it, or not? Or must I not challenge Alpha members?

Bottom line is, if you make a strong, bold statement then expect a bold, strong response.

That is the point you miss. You have super-added the requirement that new posters should not retort back.

 

[darkbeaver]

I'd day parachuting a Muslim candidate into an area where there is a large Muslim population is not democracy, it's cheating.

They are the same thing these days, aren't they/

What pecking order?

 

[karrie]

Oh nonsense. You just think I should wait until you assign me a place on your pecking order, and you are resentful that I don't suck up and wait like you probably did. I did not start any unpleasantness, I responded in kind to posters whose responses were challenging. The complaint from the outset has been that I am "too new" to do that.

I think what go poorly worded, mishandled, and misinterpreted, to a very large degree, is that the assertion wasn't that you're too new to be rude. It was that the conclusions you were coming to regarding other posters were flawed, and if you'd stick around and post a while, you'd see why.

I think you've been on a lot of forums, but I don't know that you've been in a community like CC before. Where we bicker, we fight, we toss insults about, and then we discuss our families, our heartbreaks, our triumphs... we come together. Some of us have been posting together on this forum for 5 years or more. Despite strongly disagreeing with one another on just about everything, it doesn't stop us from getting together for coffee or a beer when we find one another in the same neck of the woods. Heck, there have even been times where I've been having a heated debate with a poster on the forum, while in private messages we talk gardening, or travel. That's what people are trying to point out to you. No more, no less. This isn't just a flame forum, no matter how much it has resembled it the last couple days. Stick around, and you'll see.

 

[tober]

I'd day parachuting a Muslim candidate into an area where there is a large Muslim population is not democracy, it's cheating.

It is what all Canadian parties do every election - parachute certain people who are wanted in government into a safe consistency. There is plenty of British historical precedent. Presumably you are familiar with the Rotten Burroughs - English ridings with only one elector, the MP who goes to Parliament. He then "represents the commoners"? It has a name - gerry mandering. A famous BC gerry mandered riding in Burnaby is called "Gracies Finger", where MLA Grace Whatzername, a conservative, was in a largely socialist riding so they artificially included a large area of conservative voters by drawing a straight line out to a wealthier district. One theoretically majority election process would be straight majority count with no ridings at all, and people would still manage to fudge that. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[karrie]

It is what all Canadian parties do every election - parachute certain people who are wanted in government into a safe consistency. There is plenty of British historical precedent. Presumably you are familiar with the Rotten Burroughs - English ridings with only one elector, the MP who goes to Parliament. He then "represents the commoners"? It has a name - gerry mandering. A famous BC gerry mandered riding in Burnaby is called "Gracies Finger", where MLA Grace Whatzername, a conservative, was in a largely socialist riding so they artificially included a large area of conservative voters by drawing a straight line out to a wealthier district. One theoretically majority election process would be straight majority count with no ridings at all, and people would still manage to fudge that. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

These tactics are only okay if they get my party into government though. A tactic that gets the 'wrong' guy into power, is underhanded, cheating. It's a neat quirk of the human mind.

 

[PoliticalNick]

It is what all Canadian parties do every election - parachute certain people who are wanted in government into a safe consistency. There is plenty of British historical precedent. Presumably you are familiar with the Rotten Burroughs - English ridings with only one elector, the MP who goes to Parliament. He then "represents the commoners"? It has a name - gerry mandering. A famous BC gerry mandered riding in Burnaby is called "Gracies Finger", where MLA Grace Whatzername, a conservative, was in a largely socialist riding so they artificially included a large area of conservative voters by drawing a straight line out to a wealthier district. One theoretically majority election process would be straight majority count with no ridings at all, and people would still manage to fudge that. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Sometimes they do it more than once. When Krusty Clark became leader of the Libs they gave her the stronghold of Point Grey which she lost in the election. They then ran her in Westside-Kelowna so she could have a seat and remain Premier. I personally disagree with this kind of bullsh*t but it happens all the time.