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Canada’s Jewish ‘Concentration Camp’!

by rehmat1
In April 2013, Sardar Tim Uppal, Canada's minister of state for democratic reform, announced that Harper government has decided to erect a National Holocaust Museum on federal land near Canadian War Memorial in Ottawa "in the memory of six million Jews and others persecuted and murdered by Nazis and their collaborators during WW II".

Sardarji, was at loss to say what the pro-Israel Harper government has in mind for the Japanese, Ukranian, Poles, German, Turk, Bulgarian, Croatians, Hungarian, Russian, Italian and Native Indians who suffered in Canada's 26 Concentration Camps (later on called "Internment Camps") in Alberta (4), British Columbia (6), Manitob (2), Nova Scotia (2), Ontario (6), Quebec (4) and New Brunswick (1).

One Jewish holocaust museum already exists in Montreal (Quebec).

Last week, Toronto-based The Canadian Press whined about the plight of 700 Jews kept inside internment camp in New Brunswick. 850 German Canadians, most Jews, were sent to the internment camp by Canadian government on the orders of British prime minister, Sir Winston Churchill, who suspected some of these Canadian Germans were spies working for Nazis.

The Japanese Canadian men were separated from their families and forced to work on building roads, railroads, and sugar beet farms. The women and children and older people were sent inland to internment camps (desolate ghost towns
and farms made into small cities) in the interior of

British Columbia at Greenwood, Sandon, Kaslo, New Denver, Rosebery, Slocan City, Bay Farm, Popoff, Lemon Creek, and Tashme.
Self-supporting camps were established in Lillooet, Bridge River, Minto City, McGillivray Falls, and Christina Lake. 1,161 internees paid for their relocation and leasing of farms in these desolate areas that provided a less restrictive, less punitive environment. These Japanese Canadians were still considered "enemy aliens" by the government.

About 945 men worked on road construction camps at Blue River, Revelstroke, Hope, Schreiber, Black Spur. Those men who complained of the separation from families (Nisei Mass Evacuation Group) as well as other "dissident men" who violated curfew hours were sent to the "prisoner of war" camps at Angler and Petawawa in Ontario (699 men). They were forced to wear shirts with round, red targets on their backs.

Roy Miki in 1991 book, 'Justice in Our Time, The Japanese Canadian Redress Settlement', wrote: "The Japanese Canadians had property, businesses, cars, and boats confiscated and sold by the Canadian government before they were forced into labor camps. Without their property, assets, or jobs they were then charged inequitably for their internment. Harold Hirose, a veteran of the second world war, had five acres of Surry farmland (a neighboring area of Vancouver) which was confiscated and sold for $36. He received a check for $15 which included charges for the administrative costs in a transaction which he did not approve. He subsequently made several appeals to the government to recover the land but these failed".

The Japanese Canadians were not allowed to join the military until after 1945. In spite of the incarceration, the Japanese Canadians volunteered to serve in the Canadian Armed Forces.
For the Japanese Canadians there were no homes, farms, and other property left behind before internment. They were forced to start their lives over, with no economic resources, in an estranged and racially repressive environment of midwest and eastern Canada.

In 1988 redress for the Japanese Canadians was passed and the Prime Minister issued an apology for the miscarriage of justice that led to internment and incarceration. Yet the $21,000 of redress money hardly compensates for the lost years of incarceration, property confiscated, family separations and disruptions, and the invisible psychological scars and memories of racial injustices that remain.

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I'm glad I waited until after the war!:canada: ;-)

Dispite all the suffering and injustice the Japanese endured, they were still better off than their countrymen in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Likewise the Europeans, who escaped the ravages of the war.

But it does seem unfair that only the Jews are recognized for their suffering. They are perhaps better organized and have the necessary clout.
 

Cliffy

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I recognize this camp. It looks like the one at Lemon Creek in the Slocan Valley. A place I lived on in the valley had 3 of those cabins on it. They were dragged up there after the war by the Doukhobors who owned it before we did. The Doukhobors didn't get very nice treatment after the war either.

 

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Canada’s Jewish ‘Concentration Camp’!

by rehmat1
In April 2013, Sardar Tim Uppal, Canada's minister of state for democratic reform, announced that Harper government has decided to erect a National Holocaust Museum on federal land near Canadian War Memorial in Ottawa "in the memory of six million Jews and others persecuted and murdered by Nazis and their collaborators during WW II".

Sardarji, was at loss to say what the pro-Israel Harper government has in mind for the Japanese, Ukranian, Poles, German, Turk, Bulgarian, Croatians, Hungarian, Russian, Italian and Native Indians who suffered in Canada's 26 Concentration Camps (later on called "Internment Camps") in Alberta (4), British Columbia (6), Manitob (2), Nova Scotia (2), Ontario (6), Quebec (4) and New Brunswick (1).

One Jewish holocaust museum already exists in Montreal (Quebec).

Last week, Toronto-based The Canadian Press whined about the plight of 700 Jews kept inside internment camp in New Brunswick. 850 German Canadians, most Jews, were sent to the internment camp by Canadian government on the orders of British prime minister, Sir Winston Churchill, who suspected some of these Canadian Germans were spies working for Nazis.

The Japanese Canadian men were separated from their families and forced to work on building roads, railroads, and sugar beet farms. The women and children and older people were sent inland to internment camps (desolate ghost towns
and farms made into small cities) in the interior of

British Columbia at Greenwood, Sandon, Kaslo, New Denver, Rosebery, Slocan City, Bay Farm, Popoff, Lemon Creek, and Tashme.
Self-supporting camps were established in Lillooet, Bridge River, Minto City, McGillivray Falls, and Christina Lake. 1,161 internees paid for their relocation and leasing of farms in these desolate areas that provided a less restrictive, less punitive environment. These Japanese Canadians were still considered "enemy aliens" by the government.

About 945 men worked on road construction camps at Blue River, Revelstroke, Hope, Schreiber, Black Spur. Those men who complained of the separation from families (Nisei Mass Evacuation Group) as well as other "dissident men" who violated curfew hours were sent to the "prisoner of war" camps at Angler and Petawawa in Ontario (699 men). They were forced to wear shirts with round, red targets on their backs.

Roy Miki in 1991 book, 'Justice in Our Time, The Japanese Canadian Redress Settlement', wrote: "The Japanese Canadians had property, businesses, cars, and boats confiscated and sold by the Canadian government before they were forced into labor camps. Without their property, assets, or jobs they were then charged inequitably for their internment. Harold Hirose, a veteran of the second world war, had five acres of Surry farmland (a neighboring area of Vancouver) which was confiscated and sold for $36. He received a check for $15 which included charges for the administrative costs in a transaction which he did not approve. He subsequently made several appeals to the government to recover the land but these failed".

The Japanese Canadians were not allowed to join the military until after 1945. In spite of the incarceration, the Japanese Canadians volunteered to serve in the Canadian Armed Forces.
For the Japanese Canadians there were no homes, farms, and other property left behind before internment. They were forced to start their lives over, with no economic resources, in an estranged and racially repressive environment of midwest and eastern Canada.

In 1988 redress for the Japanese Canadians was passed and the Prime Minister issued an apology for the miscarriage of justice that led to internment and incarceration. Yet the $21,000 of redress money hardly compensates for the lost years of incarceration, property confiscated, family separations and disruptions, and the invisible psychological scars and memories of racial injustices that remain.

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I'm glad I waited until after the war!:canada: ;-)

Dispite all the suffering and injustice the Japanese endured, they were still better off than their countrymen in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Likewise the Europeans, who escaped the ravages of the war.

But it does seem unfair that only the Jews are recognized for their suffering. They are perhaps better organized and have the necessary clout.


I see you are out in full stupidity yet again.

To compare the camps in which millions of Jews died to camps in which the inmates were increasingly well treated throughout the war is beyond the comprehension of anyone sane.

 

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They were products of racist paranoia. That is about the only thing these camps have in common with the ones in Europe. There is no comparison.
 

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I see you are out in full stupidity yet again.

To compare the camps in which millions of Jews died to camps in which the inmates were increasingly well treated throughout the war is beyond the comprehension of anyone sane.



there's your problem, using sane and looneytunes in the same post.

 

Nuggler

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I see you are out in full stupidity yet again.

To compare the camps in which millions of Jews died to camps in which the inmates were increasingly well treated throughout the war is beyond the comprehension of anyone sane.

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Who said she was sane?

A good troll none the less.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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I see you are out in full stupidity yet again.

To compare the camps in which millions of Jews died to camps in which the inmates were increasingly well treated throughout the war is beyond the comprehension of anyone sane.

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I love that argument. It amounts to "somebody was worse than us, so we weren't bad!"

Lotta that going around these days.
 

Cliffy

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I love that argument. It amounts to "somebody was worse than us, so we weren't bad!"

Lotta that going around these days.
Ya, we only castrated you, kicked out your teeth, pulled out your finger nails and gouged our your eyes. At least we didn't cut your head off, so stop your whining.
 

gerryh

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I love that argument. It amounts to "somebody was worse than us, so we weren't bad!"

Lotta that going around these days.

Ya, we only castrated you, kicked out your teeth, pulled out your finger nails and gouged our your eyes. At least we didn't cut your head off, so stop your whining.


both of you missed the point..... no big surprise....... and no, I'm not gonna draw ya's a picture.
 

The Old Medic

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There was a HUGE difference between the Internment Camps operated by Canada and the USA, and those camps run by Nazi Germany.

There was absolutely NO attempt to kill anyone in the camps in North America.

In Nazi Germany, it was government policy to kill all: Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies, Socialists, and all persons suffering from a severe mental or physical disability.

The government policy was to work everyone else in their camps, without enough food to survive on, with a total lack of medical care, with inadequate clothing, etc.

Anyone that attempts to equate the Internment Camps with the Nazi Camps is either an idiot, or is totally ignorant about the reality of what was going on.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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There was a HUGE difference between the Internment Camps operated by Canada and the USA, and those camps run by Nazi Germany.

There was absolutely NO attempt to kill anyone in the camps in North America.

In Nazi Germany, it was government policy to kill all: Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies, Socialists, and all persons suffering from a severe mental or physical disability.

The government policy was to work everyone else in their camps, without enough food to survive on, with a total lack of medical care, with inadequate clothing, etc.

Anyone that attempts to equate the Internment Camps with the Nazi Camps is either an idiot, or is totally ignorant about the reality of what was going on.

Oh, well. That makes it OK then.
 

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Internment camps are internment camps the represent the worst of mankind.
The nasty episode of history is in the minds of everyone pro and con on the
subject. To say they didn't exist or were not death camps would be denial of
a magnitude of ten. I will take my dad's word for it. He was a Canadian
soldier in WWII and they toured one of those camps not by
choice but by coming across it.
I have no problem with them putting up a memorial and I wouldn't have a problem
if they put up other memorials. You are right in saying what about the others to an
extent but to single out one group for having something done by using the rest as
bait is as bad as victimizing all of the groups. It is time we remembered and moved
on. Remembering assures we don't repeat the same mistakes. Why would you
not just ask for monuments to commemorate all the suffering instead of chattering
about the Jews?
 

Goober

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Internment camps are internment camps the represent the worst of mankind.
The nasty episode of history is in the minds of everyone pro and con on the
subject. To say they didn't exist or were not death camps would be denial of
a magnitude of ten. I will take my dad's word for it. He was a Canadian
soldier in WWII and they toured one of those camps not by
choice but by coming across it.
I have no problem with them putting up a memorial and I wouldn't have a problem
if they put up other memorials. You are right in saying what about the others to an
extent but to single out one group for having something done by using the rest as
bait is as bad as victimizing all of the groups. It is time we remembered and moved
on. Remembering assures we don't repeat the same mistakes. Why would you
not just ask for monuments to commemorate all the suffering instead of chattering
about the Jews?

During WWII, General Eisenhower ordered every citizen of Gotha, Germany to tour a concentration camp. After seeing the camp, the mayor hanged himself. | War History Online
 

MHz

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The coming FEMA Kamps will be different, broadband and unlimited minutes if you turn yourself in early is what I hear, ... what's that, ... I mean if you sign in early ......