Is it necessary for cops to use lethal force against a guy with a knife?

DaSleeper

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I'm not judging this particular incident one way or the other, Having done years of target shooting and hunting with a pistol, I know the accuracy with a pistol is diminished quite a bit in low light and the adrenaline flowing, so I'll reserve judgement until the inquest.
You might read the following before y'all judge on the amount of danger of facing a man with a knife.....could be part of police training.....dunno

Blade Combat.com World's #1 Knife Defense Courses
 

JLM

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I'm not judging this particular incident one way or the other, Having done years of target shooting and hunting with a pistol, I know the accuracy with a pistol is diminished quite a bit in low light and the adrenaline flowing, so I'll reserve judgement until the inquest.
You might read the following before y'all judge on the amount of danger of facing a man with a knife.....could be part of police training.....dunno

Blade Combat.com World's #1 Knife Defense Courses

You learn something new every day! -:)
 

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Back in April of this year Toronto police shot and killed a man with a machette. I haven't yet heard the results of the investigation regarding that shooting.
 

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You're hallucinating Capt. I was never a "side kick" of S.J.P. I did treat him civilly many times when our opinions differed until he started acting like an A$$hole. Don't ever get the idea that because I agree with you on something that I'm a side kick. I don't have too much time for militant little people!

Sure you were... Maybe your memory is going a bit

Just one: Who T/F was still on the streetcar when the cop decided to go shooting gallery? Maybe the guy just shagged the shooter's girlfriend (in keeping with your tradition of ridicule in post)


We've been over this already...
 

hunboldt

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Fine, wait 3 hours. Until the lunatic drops the knife, the length of time really has no bearing.

So, I'll I suppose it's a waste of time to ask you ta answer the question that you have evaded so many times now... I think that you understand that there is no practical answer that would support your position, hence your deliberate position in not providing a straight response.




Someone still has to go into that bus and deal with the lunatic.... It no longer matters if there is a bus in between them or not at that point

Funny comment coming from the guy that was SJP's sidekick for so many years until he called you exactly what you are.

Musta burst your balloon pretty good when your idol washed his hands of you

Thanks for the opinion Commissioner Gordon - I'll be sure to pass it along to Batman ASAP

CM you are Much more intelligent and Sane than Durry, so can you 'drop the act'?
Police don't do 'extra judicial executions' in Canada. any good off duty officer will explain that to you.
They do make mistakes, and the officer who fired the shots is apparently having some turmoil dealing with this one.

The kid 'snapped', for reasons unknown. He had no known gang affiliation( despite Locutus's' 'video'), and no criminal record. A mace canister would have levelled him.
Killing as caring: Could it happen again? isn't our way. You are really out of touch here.

The unfortunate part is that we don't diagnose and treat mental illness in time, or counsel our youth on avoiding bad street drugs.
I suspect that had a tendency to psychosis, and having seen what happens in people with this tendency when they are served ecstasy in alcohol, or meth - foul play is quite possible.
that is why we do autopsies.
 
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captain morgan

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Police don't do 'extra judicial executions' in Canada.

Sounds good... The first step is to eliminate them from carrying guns.

You'd be happy with that?

The kid 'snapped', for reasons unknown. He had no known gang affiliation( despite Locutus's' 'video'), and no criminal record.

Too bad for buddy.... He had a choice in this saga and chose not to cooperate. Instead, he chose actions that instigated a cop opening fire.

There is no law against being stupid, but there are real consequences.... Today, his family and friends are faced with the consequences of his actions.
 

hunboldt

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Sounds good... The first step is to eliminate them from carrying guns.

You'd be happy with that?



Too bad for buddy.... He had a choice in this saga and chose not to cooperate. Instead, he chose actions that instigated a cop opening fire.

There is no law against being stupid, but there are real consequences.... Today, his family and friends are faced with the consequences of his actions.


He was in full blown psychosis, and we don't know the reasons. I suspect you have lead a very protected life. Perhaps its time you volunteered a little with street people...- on second thought-
No, that would conflict with your extreme Darwinism. Sonny Barger is looking for a replacement .Sonny Barger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Great lucrative business opening for you there lad - all the extra judicial killing you can handle...
 

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There are 22 witness officers - how many had guns drawn. More than 1 ?- why did only 1 shoot? Lots of questions.

Toronto officer being investigated in streetcar shooting death has been identified - The Globe and Mail

He has been labelled as the sole “subject officer” of the SIU probe, meaning the agency believes his conduct killed Mr. Yatim. The SIU has identified 22 “witness officers,” including the officer who deployed a taser on Mr. Yatim after he was shot inside the streetcar.

By law, “witness officers” are compelled to sit for interviews with SIU investigators and provide their notes, but “subject officers” are not. As the focus of an SIU inquiry that could result in criminal charges, “subject officers” have a legal right to refuse to offer evidence that could incriminate them.
 

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Back in April of this year Toronto police shot and killed a man with a machette. I haven't yet heard the results of the investigation regarding that shooting.
Machete-wielding man shot dead by Toronto police - The Globe and Mail
At some point outside of the bank, a male officer and a female officer each discharged their firearms and the man was fatally struck."

Police said earlier they were summoned to the bank by a 911 call from inside about a man waving a machete.

Witnesses said later the man was confronted by police outside the building, on the southeast corner of Eglinton Avenue and Kennedy Road, and ordered to drop the weapon.

Instead he advanced toward them, they said, at which point the officers opened fire.

Man wielding machete shot dead by Toronto Police | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto Sun
TORONTO - A man armed with a machete was shot and killed by Toronto Police at a busy Scarborough intersection over the lunch hour Friday.

Ontario’s Special Investigations Unit says the deadly encounter occurred after officers responded to a TD Canada Trust branch in a plaza on the northeast corner of Kennedy Rd. and Eglinton Ave. E. around 12:45 p.m. to deal with “a suspicious male.”

“At some point, an officer discharged his pistol, fatally striking the man,” SIU spokesman Monica Hudon said in a statement released Friday afternoon.

The mortally wounded man had no vital signs when he was rushed to Sunnybrook hospital, she said.

The SIU later tweeted that both a male and female Toronto Police officer discharged their weapons in the incident.

Witnesses at the scene told the Toronto Sun the machete-wielding man was outside in front of the bank prior to the altercation with police.

A confrontation between the 50-year-old man and police began in the parking lot out after officers arrived on the scene, several bystanders said.

The confrontation ended on the sidewalk across the street — on the southeast corner of the intersection.

Officers repeatedly ordered the man to drop the machete but he refused. He then charged at a female cop brandishing the large blade prompting her to fire several shots at him, witnesses said.
 

hunboldt

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I wonder if they shot him on account of the machete or more likely for ethnic reasons! -:)



No, you're full of Sh*t. -:)


That was a different circumstance, - the man with the machete wasn't 'kenneled'. Mace wouldn't work.
Best to ignore CM- he's getting his yaya's today by being the on board troll. it'll pass...
 

JLM

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Full of shot? Oh dear. I hope he's OK.

Yep, he's perfectly normal...................................belligerent as ever! -:)

That was a different circumstance, - the man with the machete wasn't 'kenneled'. Mace wouldn't work.
Best to ignore CM- he's getting his yaya's today by being the on board troll. it'll pass...

It's to be hoped, but it can be hard to cure a swelled head caused by too much time in the military! -:)
 

hunboldt

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Yep, he's perfectly normal...................................belligerent as ever! -:)



It's to be hoped, but it can be hard to cure a swelled head caused by too much time in the military! -:)

I don't think CM is military- he has absolutely no idea what a mace canister is, or CN. I suspect a nice Mormon teen chafing at family restrictions...
 

JLM

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I don't think CM is military- he has absolutely no idea what a mace canister is, or CN. I suspect a nice Mormon teen chafing at family restrictions...

I wouldn't think the "Captain" would be assuming a false title - that could be good for several years in the slammer.-:)
 

karrie

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Unarmed civilian?... Really? That's now your position that he was unarmed?

I'll remind you that you still can't answer the 'threat' question.... That leads to another issue; do you believe that there is any value in the lives of those police that you deem would not be exposed to a threat?

Apparently you're willing to play pretty fast and loose with the lives of those cops that had to deal with the fallout from this psycho. I'm guessing that the situation would be threatening enough that you wouldn't have one of your family members go into that 'unthreatening' situation, but it's A-OK for the cops I guess.


the bus driver cm... the bus driver. You implied that if the guy wasn't an immediate threat to the police, then the bus driver should be able to go up to him. *sigh*

I know enough cops to not want to play 'fast and loose' with their lives, but I also know that a group of police armed with guns is not in danger from a stationary man with a knife.